Politics Meghan Markle and Prince Harry - Racially Villified or Royally Unpopular?

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Is this a parody of when the queen murdered her unborn child?
 
Isn’t it funny the various ‘experts’ feeding these royal celebrity journos didn know harry and Charles have been talking probably on the phone several times, but now there’s been a face to face meeting they suddenly can fill in every detail of what’s been discussed etc etc?

‘Sources say’ they have no more clue than you or I
 
Isn’t it funny the various ‘experts’ feeding these royal celebrity journos didn know harry and Charles have been talking probably on the phone several times, but now there’s been a face to face meeting they suddenly can fill in every detail of what’s been discussed etc etc?

‘Sources say’ they have no more clue than you or I
A.

All made up as usual.
 

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Sources confirm succession plans to William are being fast tracked in light of Charles rapidly deteriorating health.

Also these arrangements are being lept secret form Harry cos they don’t ‘trust him’

Anyone else see the duplicity of ‘sources’ seeking to label Harry unable to keep secrets….while backgrounding on the very same secrets?


 
Anyway we are talking bout a family who was OK seeing cousins tsar Nicolas family euthanised rather than have any kind of bad political optics back home if they allowed them to relocate there, apparently the revolutionaries were OK with that.
On wonders just how far wills will take his hate for Harry once ‘Pa’ dies
 
Anyway we are talking bout a family who was OK seeing cousins tsar Nicolas family euthanised rather than have any kind of bad political optics back home if they allowed them to relocate there, apparently the revolutionaries were OK with that.
On wonders just how far wills will take his hate for Harry once ‘Pa’ dies

Always thought Harry was Commodus while Willy was Maximus. Funny if it was the opposite the entire time
 
Anyway we are talking bout a family who was OK seeing cousins tsar Nicolas family euthanised rather than have any kind of bad political optics back home if they allowed them to relocate there, apparently the revolutionaries were OK with that.
On wonders just how far wills will take his hate for Harry once ‘Pa’ dies
Oh, will he send him to the Tower?
 
Anyway we are talking bout a family who was OK seeing cousins tsar Nicolas family euthanised rather than have any kind of bad political optics back home if they allowed them to relocate there, apparently the revolutionaries were OK with that.

That's not quite accurate.

When the proposal to have the Tsar and his family come to England after his abdication was re-considered by the British government, the relatively moderate Provisional Government was in power in Russia, (until they were overthrown in the October Revolution by the radical Bolsheviks). The lives of Nicholas and his family were not considered to be in jeopardy at that stage.

On hearing the Tsar had abdicated, King George V sent a telegram on March 19, 1917 that read: "Events of last week have deeply distressed me. My thoughts are constantly with you and I shall always remain your true and devoted friend, as you know I have been in the past".

It was not in the king’s gift, as a constitutional monarch, to offer asylum to other royals. Nicholas had been placed under house arrest by the Provisional Government within a week of his abdication in early March 1917. So in any case Nicholas couldn't have easily taken up an offer of asylum without the consent of the ruling Provisional Government. It was Pavel Milyukov, the foreign minister of the Provisional Government, who made the first move. He pressed the British government hard, via its ambassador to Petrograd, Sir George Buchanan, to offer asylum. It was days before a response came from David Lloyd George’s government, making a somewhat grudging offer of asylum – and it did so, very specifically, for the duration of war only.

This message was telegraphed by the War Office to Major-General Sir John Hanbury Williams, British Military Representative at Russian Headquarters. It arrived after the Tsar had been placed under arrest. Sir John therefore repeated the King's telegram to Sir George Buchanan, the British Ambassador at Petrograd, who handed it to Miliukov, Foreign Minister in the Provisional Government, with the request that it might be forwarded to the Tsar. The next day Miliukov sent for Sir George Buchanan and informed him that he thought it better not to send on the telegram as it 'might be misinterpreted and used as an argument in favour of (the Tsar's) detention.

This meant that any efforts the King could make to assist Tsar Nicholas might, unless cautiously handled, embarrass the moderate elements in the Russian Provisional Government, who were keen (at least before Lenin's return to Petrograd in April 1917) to work with the Petrograd Soviet.

On March 30th 1917 George V instructed Lord Stamfordham to write to the Foreign Secretary:

"The King has been thinking much about the Government's proposal that the Emperor Nicholas and his family should come to England. As you are doubtless aware, the King has a strong personal friendship for the Emperor and therefore would be glad to do anything to help Him in this crisis. But His Majesty cannot help doubting not only on account of the dangers of the voyage, but on general grounds of expediency, whether it is advisable that the Imperial Family should take up their residence in this country. The King would be glad if you would consult the Prime Minister, as His Majesty understands that no definite decision has yet been come to on the subject by the Russian Government."

By April 1917, the suggestion that the Tsar and his family should be given asylum in this country had become publicly known.

Much indignation was expressed in left-wing circles and the King, who was unjustly supposed to be the originator of the proposal, received many abusive letters. "Nicholas the Bloody" was notorious for his repressive response to peaceful protestors in St Petersburg on Bloody Sunday 1905 and was much reviled in Britain, as was his wife the Tsarina who was German.

Lloyd George's cabinet was also cooling on granting Nicholas and his family asylum. The government would have been in the same position as George V if they accepted asylum where it would appear as if they were alternating between praising revolution and providing shelter to its enemy. Moreover, a number within the government blamed Nicholas II for the sorry state of Russian affairs in 1917 and was ill-disposed to rewarding a sovereign that had mismanaged his war. Nor was this sentiment just limited to the UK; the UK's ambassador to France, Lord Bertie reported back to London that the French considered the Russian Empress Alexandra to "not only be a Boche by birth but by sentiment." Sir George Buchanan also pointed out that the presence of the Imperial family in England would assuredly be exploited to their detriment by the extremists as well as by the German agents in Russia.

The labour movement in the UK threatened strike action if the Tsar were given asylum in the UK. Strike action would have significantly weakened the war effort, and thus it was seen as unacceptable risk to the British Government. There was also the fear that accepting an overthrown, disgraced autocratic monarch into British society might embolden republicans - a particularly dangerous idea given the recent Easter Rising in Ireland.

The King felt that these disadvantages had not been sufficiently considered by the Government. On April 10th 1917, he instructed Lord Stamfordham again to suggest to the Prime Minister that, since public opinion was evidently opposed to the proposal, the Russian Government might be informed that His Majesty's Government felt obliged to withdraw the consent which they had previously given.

George V's reconsidering of the asylum matter contributed to, but did not create, the UK government's stonewalling on asylum.

Not only that, but the Petrograd Soviet (which increasingly became dominated by the radical Bolshviks over the course of 1917) was adamantly opposed to the idea of sending Nicholas out of Russia, insisting that the former Tsar should be imprisoned in the Peter and Paul Fortress.

The French Minister of War was asked whether the French Government would give the Russian Royal Family asylum in France. He replied in the affirmative and a telegram was thus sent to Sir George Buchanan (the British ambassdor to Russia) instructing him to place this alternative suggestion before Miliukov (the Foreign Minister in the moderate Provisional Government).

Source: Harold Nicolson, King George the Fifth: His Life and Reign (1953)

All of the above took place before the radical Bolsheviks gained control in October 1917. Nicholas and his family were executed in July 1918 by the Cheka on the orders - ultimately - of Vladimir Lenin.

The Dowager Empress, Maria (Nicholas' mother), Nicholas' sister Xenia and fifteen other Romanovs were granted refuge in England in 1919, fleeing the Crimea before the Red Army arrived.
On wonders just how far wills will take his hate for Harry once ‘Pa’ dies

He can't have his brother arrested and executed as Edward IV did to his brother.
 
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The current proposal for Charles to visit Australia would seem bound to court controversy, especially in the wake of The Voice referendum and debate.
Perhaps they are counting on sympathy for his health issues.
 
The current proposal for Charles to visit Australia would seem bound to court controversy, especially in the wake of The Voice referendum and debate.
Perhaps they are counting on sympathy for his health issues.
Looks like this announcement came from the Palace and it feels like an attempt to assure everyone that despite appearances everything's all going swimmingly and to plan. Eric Abetz and the Governor-General's missus will be excited though.
 
Looks like this announcement came from the Palace and it feels like an attempt to assure everyone that despite appearances everything's all going swimmingly and to plan. Eric Abetz and the Governor-General's missus will be excited though.

She’s composing a song as we speak
 
It’s worth mentioning H&M wanted a mild Megxit, but the royals went trad and insisted on full Megxit.

There was talk of H&M doing most of the overseas work, but had their own ideas, which weren’t welcome.

They sprouted this order ‘working royals, over and over, and now none of them qualify. Except Anne of course


 
It’s worth mentioning H&M wanted a mild Megxit, but the royals went trad and insisted on full Megxit.

There was talk of H&M doing most of the overseas work, but had their own ideas, which weren’t welcome.

They sprouted this order ‘working royals, over and over, and now none of them qualify. Except Anne of course




Charles out of action. Camilla on leave now.

Kate out of action, indefinately. William hit and miss in attending minimally.

They are a shambles atm.

Harry will never return. William and Kate will never allow that.

They are not value for money this year.

No transparency, public pay for them.

Why is Camilla not present?
Why is William not pulling his weight, he is the next King.
 
Charles out of action. Camilla on leave now.

Kate out of action, indefinately. William hit and miss in attending minimally.

They are a shambles atm.

Harry will never return. William and Kate will never allow that.

They are not value for money this year.

No transparency, public pay for them.

Why is Camilla not present?
Why is William not pulling his weight, he is the next King.
Fair play on the rest , but the guys wife has been seriously ill and from people I know in the UK is far from out of the woods health wise .

Its a pretty poor call questioning his committment given the circumstance tbh
 
Fair play on the rest , but the guys wife has been seriously ill and from people I know in the UK is far from out of the woods health wise .

Its a pretty poor call questioning his committment given the circumstance tbh

So, he can float in and out of his commitments, due to his wife having surgery

ye na, thats rubbish

What do you mean out of the woods health wise?
 
So, he can float in and out of his commitments, due to his wife having surgery

ye na, thats rubbish

What do you mean out of the woods health wise?
It means exactly that , she aint a well person at the minute .

I think both sides are shambles ..... but if you think H was right in supporting his wife , the older brother is doing the same
 
Charles out of action. Camilla on leave now.

Kate out of action, indefinately. William hit and miss in attending minimally.

They are a shambles atm.

Harry will never return. William and Kate will never allow that.

They are not value for money this year.

No transparency, public pay for them.

Why is Camilla not present?
Why is William not pulling his weight, he is the next King.

If they were a European style monarchy, all this would be OK. They wouldn’t cost so much, and they wouldn’t need to do much

But there’s an entire industry living off reporting every last nuance, true or made up. They aren’t going to allow the windsors to fade into the woodwork cos theyed all be looking foe a new meal ticket
 

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