Unsolved Lisa Govan(missing) documentary in the making - WA

[BlueE]

So Hayley went missing "Dodd was travelling to the farm of a family friend when she disappeared on July 29, 1999."

WARKs house was sold 4 weeks later?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-...d-on-rapists-link-to-hayley-dodd-case/5126362

Lisa went missing "Lisa was last seen outside a pub in Kalgoorlie on October 8, 1999."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...y/news-story/5c3654df079a092ed9f3a29960b8844e

Warks house sold 4 weeks later

Lisa went missing 2 months 8 days later after Hayley.

So if you are saying Wark had sold his house and left 4 weeks weeks after Hayley's disappearance and Lisa Govan disappeared 9 weeks later, Wark should have been gone from WA then. Unless he stopped in Kal for 5 weeks with bikie mates on his way to Qland??

 

[Dan Baker]

So if you are saying Wark had sold his house and left 4 weeks weeks after Hayley's disappearance and Lisa Govan disappeared 9 weeks later, Wark should have been gone from WA then. Unless he stopped in Kal for 5 weeks with bikie mates on his way to Qland??

I don't know. I don't know where Wark was. All I know is, that Wark had sold his house, was on his way to Queensland. Lisa went missing 5 weeks after the sale of Warks house. He then assaulted a woman in Queensland some time later and went to prison for it.

It states on the net somewhere Wark has a history in Kalgoorlie. Friends etc. Did he ride his bike to Kalgoorlie, commit murder, then rode onto Queensland?

 

[BlueE]

I don't know. I don't know where Wark was. All I know is, that Wark had sold his house, was on his way to Queensland. Lisa went missing 5 weeks after the sale of Warks house. He then assaulted a woman in Queensland some time later and went to prison for it.

It states on the net somewhere Wark has a history in Kalgoorlie. Friends etc. Did he ride his bike to Kalgoorlie, commit murder, then rode onto Queensland?

It's gone very quiet today. I think odds are on Wark, but wait and see?

 

[Dan Baker]

It's gone very quiet today. I think odds are on Wark, but wait and see?

Its a judge only case, so no chance of sub justice in discussion. Do keep us informed of any progress about the case.

Be interested to know, whether Wark went through Kalgoorlie on the way to Queensland. Did he go by motorbike?

 

[Dan Baker]

It's gone very quiet today. I think odds are on Wark, but wait and see?

It has been quiet. I do wonder if police have been investigating users trying to derail forums protecting killers?

With all that innuendo mumbo jumbo over the years, it was like someone was a distant associate with knowledge of the crime flirting with police. Why?

At one stage, someone had been hacking peoples accounts and trying to intimidate someone. A couple of users were having an argument. You could tell that that one user was inadvertently informing the other of their residence, and there was a pursuant argument.

Someone had been sending users to external sites, one with a long papertrail of companies to hide the personal identity of the domain owner while collecting IP addresses for hacking purposes.
Ironically one domain name was pseudonymous with hacking having files put in back folders

If you have access to ISP telco accounts, it makes it very easy to trace an identity. You only need be, or know someone in the industry.

 

[BlueE]

It has been quiet. I do wonder if police have been investigating users trying to derail forums protecting killers?

With all that innuendo mumbo jumbo over the years, it was like someone was a distant associate with knowledge of the crime flirting with police. Why?

At one stage, someone had been hacking peoples accounts and trying to intimidate someone. A couple of users were having an argument. You could tell that that one user was inadvertently informing the other of their residence, and there was a pursuant argument.

Someone had been sending users to external sites, one with a long papertrail of companies to hide the personal identity of the domain owner while collecting IP addresses for hacking purposes.
Ironically one domain name was pseudonymous with hacking having files put in back folders

If you have access to ISP telco accounts, it makes it very easy to trace an identity. You only need be, or know someone in the industry.

WTF!!!

One was inadvertently informing the other of their residence (that they knew their residence?) and there was a pursuant argument??

A long papertrail of companies to hide the personal identity of the domain owner while collecting IP addresses for hacking purposes???

 

[Dan Baker]

WTF!!!

One was inadvertently informing the other of their residence (that they knew their residence?) and there was a pursuant argument??

A long papertrail of companies to hide the personal identity of the domain owner while collecting IP addresses for hacking purposes???

Yep, there has been a couple of stoushes. One was someone dribbling mumbo jumbo that set off another user as it became obvious one knew where the other was.

Yes, there is a couple of external links to dubious URLs with information on the CSK case. Those external pages tuck in the back of website had extensive papertrail of companies hiding the personal identity of the domain name. Extensive for a dodgy URL name.
Once users visit those pages, someone collects the IP addresses and then can ascertain the identity of the user, especially if they have access to a telco customer database or have industry contacts. Very easier.

A lot harder to do traceroutes to identify a users ID.

Not really good when users are on a crime forum full of murderers on a non encrypted connection. Talk about security risk.
Bigfooty is encrypted via SSL.

 

[sprockets]

It has been quiet. I do wonder if police have been investigating users trying to derail forums protecting killers?

With all that innuendo mumbo jumbo over the years, it was like someone was a distant associate with knowledge of the crime flirting with police. Why?

At one stage, someone had been hacking peoples accounts and trying to intimidate someone. A couple of users were having an argument. You could tell that that one user was inadvertently informing the other of their residence, and there was a pursuant argument.

Someone had been sending users to external sites, one with a long papertrail of companies to hide the personal identity of the domain owner while collecting IP addresses for hacking purposes.
Ironically one domain name was pseudonymous with hacking having files put in back folders

If you have access to ISP telco accounts, it makes it very easy to trace an identity. You only need be, or know someone in the industry.

Speaking of "innuendo mumbo jumbo" they're more likely to be investigating some forum nut job that's all over the place with a million different theories trying to send everyone's heads into a spin, someone who's trying to confuse the issue. Someone with a murder obsession.

 

[Dan Baker]

Speaking of "innuendo mumbo jumbo" they're more likely to be investigating some forum nut job that's all over the place with a million different theories trying to send everyone's heads into a spin, someone who's trying to confuse the issue. Someone with a murder obsession.

They are investigating the users that have been slandering other users with terms like nutjob. They are investigating the people trying to put words in peoples mouths. The users attacking others but not really contributing to a 'crime forum'. They have been investigating the persons intimidating others.

No thousand theories here. A common theme right through the case typical of a psychopath serial killer. Don't confuse users who are psycho-analysing a psychopath serial killers thoughts and acts with the killers doings.

I know its hard for you to grasp that a psychopath serial killer might have stalked in particular manner and killed more than one person of a particular demographic. Its not your typical murderer.

Just carry on with your slander and defamation.

ps. Police can do all the investigating they want on me. In part, I have already been investigated. My DNA covered in familial tests, and a less formal inquiry. And so have thousands of others.

I have multiple reasons for being here, none that I can divulge publicly for a number of reasons including the likes of you.

If only you knew, lol

• serial killers usually premeditate their crimes, frequently fantasising and planning with detail, including the specific victim (Ressler, Burgess & Douglas 1988)
• serial killers are likely to use similar event locations (but different physical locations) for their crimes, move the body from one location to another and dispose of the body in remote locations (Kraemer, Lord & Heilbrun 2004).
• While forensic techniques and, in recent times, behavioural evidence analysis assist in establishing the differing types of serial killers (see Turvey 2002), there are sociological, psychological, cultural, and biological explanations for the motivations of serial killers (Egger 1998).

As an extension of the organised-disorganised construct, another common typology categorising four major types of serial killers was developed. It attempts (perhaps too simplistically) to assign an either/or status to serial killers based on a socio-emotional and psychological assessment (Holmes & DeBurger 1998). The classified types are:

• Visionary - driven to kill by voices or visions, either from God and angels or demons and the devil.
• Mission-oriented - concentrates on the actual killing and its outcome. They see it as their duty to eliminate individuals they consider unworthy or undesirable, such as prostitutes, from society.
• Hedonistic - divided into two sub-categories of lust killer and thrill killer. The central focus for the lust killer is sex; before, during or after the killing. For the thrill killer, the act of killing is simply for enjoyment, pleasure or excitement.
• Power/control - motives are the pleasures received from complete control and dominance over the victim. The killer feels important and powerful. Prolonging the act ensures greater gratification (Holmes & DeBurger 1998).

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/341-360/tandi346.html

 

[Dan Baker]

Speaking of "innuendo mumbo jumbo" they're more likely to be investigating some forum nut job that's all over the place with a million different theories trying to send everyone's heads into a spin, someone who's trying to confuse the issue. Someone with a murder obsession.

So how many investigating officers not excluding global consultant specialists have they had on this case now?

How many investing officers have they currently including the dozen or so officers from NSW?

Do you think there might be a reason for so many officers? That is rhetorical by the way. They have a truck load of crap to go through. So everyone discussing the matter have a truck load of crap to go through. Hence a truck load of theory which was better than the one eyed focus that happened for a long time.

 

[Dan Baker]

Speaking of "innuendo mumbo jumbo" they're more likely to be investigating some forum nut job that's all over the place with a million different theories trying to send everyone's heads into a spin, someone who's trying to confuse the issue. Someone with a murder obsession.

You would like that wouldn't you. Me be investigated. You are desperate for it.

Ill give you a sniff, next to Pam there was a little old lady that use to live in the back. She was on a pension, ex Red Cross, little to her name. They didnt get much in those days. She would go to bed at night, lay there and wait as the druggies would come through, like zombies, floor boards creaking, brass handle rattling. In they would come.

She would lay there, pretending to be a sleep, while the heroin druggies, walk up her bedside, floor creaking, pull her draw open, rifle through the rooms, floors creaking, brass knobs rattling, taking her every last possession. The joint was full of the bastards.

With total disregard for this woman's service to her country. Her surname started with E.

Pam was not the first person to be murdered in that shop. Another person was murdered there in the 50s I think it was. Unfortunately Pams shop was also open at the back, which lead down a grassed area to an old leaning carport. All the druggies could see her every move over the fence.

Across the road was a picket fence, dilapidated, a badly damaged bitumen ally where Sharon was buried. It was mostly open at the back.

You bet I'm obsessed, but not with murder. When this is done and dusted, Ill be gone. You can have your little piece of misery to yourself.

Meanwhile you live in Melbourne, or do you?

 

[sprockets]

Ffs stop quoting the one post. I couldn't care less who they investigate, as long as it has something to do with the case/s. I just want to read news about how these cases are progressing and what's actually happened and happening without having to sort through all the crap.

By the way, no misery here, we won the flag!

 

[Dan Baker]

Ffs stop quoting the one post. I couldn't care less who they investigate, as long as it has something to do with the case/s. I just want to read news about how these cases are progressing and what's actually happened and happening without having to sort through all the crap.

By the way, no misery here, we won the flag!

This is a crime forum. Probably best read the posts I haven't started. We would all be dead if we waited for news. Just hit the ignore button like I do. Its too easy.

 

[BlueE]

This is a crime forum. Probably best read the posts I haven't started. We would all be dead if we waited for news. Just hit the ignore button like I do. Its too easy.

From a rookie's of view I've found the summaries of the crime threads started by Dan that I've read so far to be mostly well documented and easy to follow. Can't same the same about the secret squirrel replies and interactions between some including Dan.

Increase in rewards wanted for unsolved cases in the headlines today, with Kerry Turner and Sarah McMahon parents wanting rewards for information to solve their daughters crimes. Families say rewards should be equal.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/col...l/news-story/1dd3b9709fb4b189a702094694891b87

250 K for Lisa Govan (Quote for Dan above) Following the raids, WA Police announced they were increasing the reward for information about the case from $50,000 to $250,000. http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...n-cold-case-disappearance/9104212?pfmredir=sm

100 K for Gerard Ross https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/34150191/reward-still-on-offer-to-find-gerard-ross-killer/

250K for Hayley Dodd http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/w...deraccused-to-face-trial-20150616-ghp41y.html

 

[BlueE]

Can't stop thinking that if these crimes were somehow connected (including Kerry Turner and Sarah McMahon) or someone knows enough about all of them they could cash in big time!

 

[Dan Baker]

Can't stop thinking that if these crimes were somehow connected (including Kerry Turner and Sarah McMahon) or someone knows enough about all of them they could cash in big time!

Sometimes I think Sarah is not, but ponder that the killers have distant association by some means, whether that be eg: drug supply chain etc.

Kerrys brother was essentially murdered by injective hotshot years earlier at 18, Kerry on her 18th birthday. Someone has named Kerrys brother, Alex, which appears incorrect unless it Kerry had two brothers die. I had read 'Alex' was killed in a homophobic attack so don't know where that came from.

Kerry murdered on her 18th birthday. Was Jamie just 18 as well?

In 1985, their son, Jamie, 18, died after being injected with drugs by a ...

Kerrys brother (Jamie) lethally injected with drugs on the 29th-7-1985.

7/10/1993 Alex Turner brother of Kerry Turner (missing 23/6/1991) murdered in homophobic attack.

Where did this come from? Alex?

 

[SmartAlec]

So how many investigating officers not excluding global consultant specialists have they had on this case now?

How many investing officers have they currently including the dozen or so officers from NSW?

Do you think there might be a reason for so many officers? That is rhetorical by the way. They have a truck load of crap to go through. So everyone discussing the matter have a truck load of crap to go through. Hence a truck load of theory which was better than the one eyed focus that happened for a long time.

Well said - I am told the richer states and countries have been supporting their poorer brothers in the WA for some time now. The payback will be well worth the investment.

 

[BlueE]

Well said - I am told the richer states and countries have been supporting their poorer brothers in the WA for some time now. The payback will be well worth the investment.

Who do you think they are gunning for? Search warrants for Club Deros properties. Was Wark being hosted by them on his was to Queensland? Is the reward enough for someone or will they just announce an Inquest. That would be paying out more money before getting a result. What do you think?

 

[Dan Baker]

Who do you think they are gunning for? Search warrants for Club Deros properties. Was Wark being hosted by them on his was to Queensland? Is the reward enough for someone or will they just announce an Inquest. That would be paying out more money before getting a result. What do you think?

Do you think Wark and Morey have been distant associates via groups? Even the current Claremont accused at present? Sounds like Morey had been selling drugs.
I pondered if Wark had been 'hosted' for a few weeks in Kal.

 

[SmartAlec]

Do you think Wark and Morey have been distant associates via groups? Even the current Claremont accused at present? Sounds like Morey had been selling drugs.
I pondered if Wark had been 'hosted' for a few weeks in Kal.

Six degrees of separation.

What kind of groups could they possibly be?

 

[SmartAlec]

What do you think?

Matters not what I think.

"I just carry out orders" - In the Name of the Father (1993).

 

[BlueE]

Do you think Wark and Morey have been distant associates via groups? Even the current Claremont accused at present? Sounds like Morey had been selling drugs.
I pondered if Wark had been 'hosted' for a few weeks in Kal.

Sounds less than six degrees of separation.

 

[Dan Baker]

Sounds less than six degrees of separation.

Organised crime is tighter than six degrees

 

[SmartAlec]

They would have to be out of the code of silence? I wonder if the same applies where police stated there is may no longer bean alliance, or they no longer feel intimidated.

Code of silence? Is that like Omertà Dan?

Omertà /oʊˈmɛərtə/ (Italian pronunciation: [omerˈta])[1] is a code of honor that places importance on silence, non-cooperation with authorities, and non-interference in the illegal actions of others. It originated and remains common in Southern Italy, where banditry or brigandage and Mafia-type criminal organizations (like the Camorra, Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta and Sacra Corona Unita) are strong. It is also deeply rooted in rural Crete (Greece),[2] and Corsica, both of which share a common or similar historic culture with Southern Italy.

I just carry out orders.

How many investing officers have they currently including the dozen or so officers from NSW?

Do you think there might be a reason for so many officers? That is rhetorical by the way.

in nomine Patris
et Filii
et Spiritus Sancti

 

[BlueE]

Matters not what I think.

"I just carry out orders" - In the Name of the Father (1993).

Not assuming any loyalty or connection for someone who just carries out the orders so do they have a price?