JFK Assassination: What is the Truth?

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And this comprehensive book, "The Devils Cheesboard" by David Talbot goes a long way to explaining why the CIA got involved, not only in the assasination, but the coverup.

Dulles relentless efforts to manipulate Truman - and failing that, the Truman record - is one more example of the spymaster's "strange activities". But Dulles's greatest success at recontructing relaity was still to come. With the Warren Report, Dulles would literally rewrite history. The inquest into the death of JFK was another astounding slight of hand of Dulles's part. The man who should have been in the witness chair woulnd up instead in control of the inquiry. pg 572.

 

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The peaceful resolution of the (Cuban Missile) crisis left Kennedy's warriors in an ugly mood. Daniel Ellsberg, who later became famous for leaking the Pentagon Papers, observed the seething fury among uniformed officers when he was serving as a young defense analyst: "There was virtually a coup atmosphere in Pentagon circles. Not that I had the fear there would be a coup - I thought it was a mood of hatred and rage. The atmosphere was poisonous, poisonous." pg 453

The plotting against the Cuban leader continued to flourish even after the C I A assured the Kennedy administration that it had terminated its alliance with the Mafia. Two emissaries from the C I A informed Bobby Kennedy of the assassination plots at a meeting in the Justice Department office in May 1962. ... The C I A officials assured Bobby that the Eisenhower - Dulles approved plots had been shut down - but in truth they would continue, without the Kennedy's knowledge through out their administration and for many years after.

The displays of disrespect for President Kennedy's authority grew more glaring in the clubs and suites of Washington's permanent government. By the spring of 1963, JFK was painfully aware of the profound miscalculation he had made by appointing Eisenhower-Dulles holdovers -particularly in the case of John McCone. pg 455 (Dulles replacement as CIA director and not Kennedys first choice).

By November 1963, Chicago, like Miami, New Orleans and Dallas, had become a next of anti-Kennedy intrigue. On November 2 local secret service officials foiled a well-organised assassination plot against President Kennedy ... that bore a striking resemblance to the series of events that would claim Kennedy's life twenty days later in Dallas. pg 460 (Oswald said to be the person who had phoned a warning that was acted on in Chicago)

Dulles's strongly critical views of the Kennedy presidency were ardently shared by the men in his Texas milieu where JFK was widely viewed as a dangerously weak leader. Ted Dealey publisher of The Dallas Morning News who berated him for not annihilating Russia lectured Kennedy at a White House luncheon on front of a groups of visiting Texas publishers "The general opinion of the grassroots thinking in this country is that you and your administration are weak sisters. We need a man on horseback to lead this nation and many people in Texas and the South west think that you are riding Caroline's (daughters) tricycle." ... The cool tempered Kennedy replied "The difference between you and me, Mr Dealey is that I was elected president of this country and you were not. I have the responsibility for the lives of 180 million Americans, which you have not ... Wars are easier to talk about that they are to fight. I'm just as tough as you are - and I didn't get elected president by arriving at soft judgments." pg 488

The Texas oil crowd was also furious at Kennedy for moving to close their tax loopholes, particularly the oil depletion allowance which threatened to cost the oilmen millions - perhaps billions of dollars a year. As vice president Lyndon Johnson- Texas's native son, was supposed to make sure the man in the White House didn't mess with their wealth. But by the fall of 1963 the once powerful LBJ was fading in Washington unable to take care of the oil tycoons who had paved his way to power. "He had promised to protect them." said petroleum industry lawyer Ed Clark. "and he couldn't deliver. He couldn't deliver." pg 489

Those resolute voices in American public life that continue to deny the existence of a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy argue that "someone would have talked." This line of reasoning is often used by journalists who have made no effort themselves to closely inspect the growing body of evidence and have not undertaken any of their own investigative reporting. The argument betrays a touchingly naïve media bias could be counted on to solve such a monumental crime one that sprung from the varying systems of governance of which corporate media is an essential part.

In fact any people have talked during the past half a century - including some directly connected to the plot against Kennedy. But the media have simply refused to listen. One of the most intriguing examples of someone talking occured in 2003, when an old and ailing Howard Hunt began unburdening himself to his oldest son, Saint John ..pg 494

 

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At the beginning of the Watergate drama at 18, in June 1972 "Saint" was woken late one night and ordered by his father to help with disposing of a pile of espionage equipment including cameras microphones and walkie talkies. Howard Hunt was the leader of the "White House Plumbers" the five burglars arrested while breaking into Democratic Party's headquarters. All five had a long history with Hunt, dating back to the earliest days of teh underground war against Castro and at least two, Frank Sturgis and Virgilio Gonzaalez, were rumoured to have played roles in the Kennedy assassination.

As the Watergate scandal unfolded, Hunt drew Saint and the rest of his family deeper into his disintegrating life. His mother, Dorothy - an exotic beauty with her own espionage background - would die in a plane crash in the midst of the Watergate crisis, while serving as a mysterious courier for her husband. Dorothy Hunt was carrying over $2 million in cash and money orders, some of which were traced as coming from President Nixon's reelection campaign. pg 495

Nixon had been caught on his secret taping system figuring that it would cost "a million in cash. We could get our hands on that sort of money" that Hunt felt Nixon owned him and his team to keep quiet. On June 23 1972 when discussing the Waterhouse breaking with HR Haldeman his political deputy and white house chief of staff Nixon was taped saying "Hunt ... will open that scab, there's a hell of a lot of things ... This involves these Cubans, Hunt and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves."

Nixon wanted Haldeman to lean on Dick Helms, then C I A director by warning him if the spy agency did not help him shut down the growing Watergate scandal "the President's belief is that this is going to open up the whole Bay of Pigs thing ...and it's going to make the C I A look bad, it's going to make Hunt look bad and it's likely to blow the whole Bay of Pigs thing... and we think it would be very unfortunate for the C I A and for the country at this time." Nixon's ploy did not work. ... He only succeeded in further antagonising a very powerful Washington institution, one capable of far more deviousness than he was.

What did Nixon mean by 'the whole bay of pigs thing"? According to Haldeman it was Nixon's way of referring to the unspeakable - the Kennedy assassination. Other historians have speculated that it was shorthand for the CIA mafia plots against Castro. ... In any case "the bay of pigs thing" was an apt code name - it conjured up all the swampy intrigue ... that the C I A wanted to keep deeply hidden. And Howard Hunt was knee-deep in the middle of this muck. pg 496

Hunt was eventfully sent to federal prison for nearly three years and by 2003 was living in a modest ranch house in north Miami with his second wife 27 years his junior and two children. Following years of estrangement, and a plea in a long letter to his father, on December 7 2003 Hunt rang his son in California and asked him to fly to Miami.

Before Hunt died in 2007, he left behind video interviews, audiotapes, notes in his own hand and a memoir called "American Spy". Hunt's confessional trove amounts to a tortured effort to reveal what he knew, while still guarding family sensitivities, old professional loyalties and whatever was left of his good name. pg 499

 

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"The Devil's Chessboard - Allen Dulles, the CIA and the Rise of America's Secret Government" by David Talbot"

"For the Good of the County" Ch 20

There's still a lot in the book, derogatory quotes from those in power opposing Kennedy, evidence on Kennedy about to withdraw the "advisory forces" in Vietnam, which were around 11,000 by the end of 1962 and the oil barons anger at his "foreign policies particularly in Latin America threatening their overseas holdings", wall street hostility towards him and "his tax reform policies that sought to place a heavier burden on the superrich were the primary sources of friction."

"It was Nelson Rockefeller's growing sense of Kennedy as a cold war "appeaser" that drove him to begin mounting a presidential challenge for 1964. In his final political speeches before the Kennedy assassination, Rockefeller lashed into the president for his "indecision, vacillation and weakness" in foreign policy." ...

"These views of Kennedy were widely echoed in the pages on the business press, where JFK was portrayed as a soft-spined commander - in -chief who was putting the country at risk and in the estimation of The Wall Street Journal, an incompetent economic manager with a pronounced hostility to "the philosophy of freedom.""

"The attitudes towards Kennedy were even more rabid in national security chambers where men like Angleton and LeMay regarded the President as a degenerate and very likely a traitor." ...

"Angleton seemed obsessed with Kennedy's sex life. He reportedly bugged JFK's white house trysts with Mary Meyer, the ex-wife of his deputy. Cord Meyer - an artistic blonde beauty with whom Angleton himself was enamored. He told friends and family that Kennedy's rule was marked by sexual decadence, as well as criminality - a particularly ironic twist, since Angleton himself was later revealed to have been connected to the Mafia since his wartime days in Rome."

"Over the final months if JFKs presidency, a clear consensus took shape within America's deep state: Kennedy was a national security threat. For the good of the country, he must be removed. And Dulles was the only man with the stature, connections and decisive will to make something of this enormity happen." ...

"In the case of Doug Dillon - who oversaw Kennedy's Secret Service apparatus - it simply meant he was out of town. At the end of October (1963), Dillon notified the president that he planned to take a "deferred summer vacation" in November, abandoning his Washington post for Hobe Sound until the 18th of the month. After that Dillon informed Kennedy, he planned to fly to Tokyo with other cabinet members on an official visit that would keep him out of the country from November 21 to 27. If he was asked to account for himself Dillon would have a ready explanation. The tragic events in Dallas had not occured on his watch; he was airborne over the Pacific at the time."

 

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There are many characters that were involved with Oswald in New Orleans and Dallas which are looked at in the book and some new documentaries and existing ones available.

"The Assignation and Mrs Paine - the last link to the murder of JFK" According to her detractors, Ruth Paine is a government agent who helped frame Lee Harvey Oswald as the assassin of the president. But to her defenders, she is simply an innocent bystander caught up in history.

and this excellent look at not only Ruth Paine connected to the CIA, who took in Marina Oswald and her two small children in Dallas, while Lee visited on weekends and her husband, others including Angleton who gave permission for not only Lee who was ONI (Office of National Intelligence) but other "defectors" to the Soviet Union and instructions for the "honey pot" wives they brought back, that they were not allowed to divorce, because the wives became free to spy themselves.

Also emphasizes the 1976 House committee report on JFK assassination that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.

They investigated in some detail, but didn't say who the conspirators were.

 

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The controversial killing of Officer J.D. Tippit.

The questionable timeline constructed by the Warren Commission to frame Lee Harvey Oswald, the suspicious evidence like multiple wallets and guns found at the Tippit murder scene, the lack of proper autopsy for Tippit's body, and witness accounts that dispute Oswald being the lone gunman.

Mark Groubert lays out an alternative theory involving Jack Ruby being one of Tippit's killers. With so many loose ends and inconsistencies in the official narrative, this fill in many gaps.

 

[The Punter]

Ruby was EVERYWHERE in Dallas on November 22.

 

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Ruby was EVERYWHERE in Dallas on November 22.

I had no idea until watching that episode on the killing of Tippet.

What strikes me is that almost all of the information is out there for them to know what happened.

The 1976 Congressional report labels the murder of JFK a conspiracy and Oswald didn't act alone and stopped there, but the truth is not going to come out through the main stream media.

 

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I had no idea until watching that episode on the killing of Tippet.

What strikes me is that almost all of the information is out there for them to know what happened.

The 1976 Congressional report labels the murder of JFK a conspiracy and Oswald didn't act alone and stopped there, but the truth is not going to come out through the main stream media.

The congressional report labelled it a conspiracy but at the tiniest level. The HSCA report essentially said:

• only Oswald's shots hit the President
• there was only one other shot, and it missed everything
• this conclusion was only based on the sound recordings (open motorbike microphone)
• didn't name any co-conspirator

Ruby couldn't have been everywhere people say he was on November 22. We know he was at police HQ because we have vision, but the other stuff (Parkland, Oak Cliff, Dealey Plaza) is very speculative.

None of this changes the suspicious nature of the Oswald killing.

 

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The congressional report labelled it a conspiracy but at the tiniest level. The HSCA report essentially said:

• only Oswald's shots hit the President
• there was only one other shot, and it missed everything
• this conclusion was only based on the sound recordings (open motorbike microphone)
• didn't name any co-conspirator

Ruby couldn't have been everywhere people say he was on November 22. We know he was at police HQ because we have vision, but the other stuff (Parkland, Oak Cliff, Dealey Plaza) is very speculative.

None of this changes the suspicious nature of the Oswald killing.

A. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at President John F. Kennedy; the second and third shots he fired struck the President; the third shot he fired killed the President

Congressional Report says only 2 of Oswald's three shots hit, but they didn't have the recent testimony of the doctors involved in refuting JFK's autopsy report.

1. Counting (third shot) R side of head as a shot from behind, from 6th floor (even though brain matter or skull, went backwards on car boot) and

2. They say the throat was an "exit wound" rather than "entry wound", with back shoulder entry bullet markings in autopsy that had a shallow indent, being manipulated and relocated to the back of neck to indicate an entry wound, for the throat ("magic bullet").

They assumed from the autopsy report that these were "Oswald's" shots, assuming a trajectory from 6th floor of Texas Schoolbook Depositary, when the autopsy results have now reliably shown to be faked.

Which brings in more locations, hitting shoulder from behind (flat trajectory 2nd floor from the building next door?), directly in front hitting throat through windscreen (overpass?) and autopsy changed and lastly, R side head (behind fence on grassy knoll?).

B. Scientific Acoustical Evidence Establishes a High Probability That Two Gunmen Fired at President John F. Kennedy; Other Scientific Evidence does not Preclude the Possibility of Two Gunmen Firing at the President; Scientific Evidence Negates Some Specific Conspiracy Allegations

Some interesting reading, with evidence collected for example of two separate audio captures and separate analysis of each that 6 shots were heard, but they didn't find this reliable.

C. The Committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The Committee is unable to identify the other gunman (gunmen) or the extent of the conspiracy.

The committee conducted a three-pronged investigation of conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination. On the basis of extensive scientific analysis and an analysis of the testimony of Dealey Plaza witnesses, the committee found there was a high probability that two gunmen fired at President Kennedy.

The committee found that, to be precise and loyal to the facts it established, it, was compelled to find that President Kennedy was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy. The committee's finding that President Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy was premised on four factors:

(1) Since the Warren Commission's and FBI's investigation into the possibility of a conspiracy was seriously flawed, their failure to develop evidence of a conspiracy could not be given independent weight.
(2) The Warren Commission was, in fact, incorrect in concluding that Oswald and Ruby had no significant associations, and therefore its finding of no conspiracy was not reliable.
(3) While it cannot be inferred from the significant associations of Oswald and Ruby that any of the major groups examined by the committee were involved in the assassination, a more limited conspiracy could not be ruled out.
(4) There was a high probability that a second gunman, in fact, fired at the President. At the same time, the committee candidly stated, in expressing it finding of conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination, that it was "unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.

Interesting they had more than enough evidence to show that Oswald was an informant for the FBI and was working for CIA fronts in Riley Coffee Co., and helping train anti-Castro men, while publicly demonstrating at pro Castro events.

I'm going to take a stab here and ask who was in charge of the FBI? Who did Hoover report to?

Who would be wanting someone to keep an eye on the CIA which they totally despised and didn't trust from?

Hoover's reaction immediately after in transcribed phone calls to LBJ seems to indicate he didn't know anything about the assignation, but would assist in a cover up.

Some people heard what could have been a shot and looked back. JFK car in front. Somebody in front of Depository building gets their identify covered up.

 

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The congressional report labelled it a conspiracy but at the tiniest level. The HSCA report essentially said:

• only Oswald's shots hit the President
• there was only one other shot, and it missed everything
• this conclusion was only based on the sound recordings (open motorbike microphone)
• didn't name any co-conspirator

Ruby couldn't have been everywhere people say he was on November 22. We know he was at police HQ because we have vision, but the other stuff (Parkland, Oak Cliff, Dealey Plaza) is very speculative.

None of this changes the suspicious nature of the Oswald killing.

I think the only thing that really changes the nature of JFK murder, is the evidence that the autopsy report was changed and what that means.

Ruby was paid $50,000 a day or so before the murder and he seemed to be frantically everywhere that Oswald was. Defiantly the police station and the first press conference and questions still exist about how he got into the police station area where he killed Oswald.

But it couldn't be seen to be premeditated, because that could have resulted in the electric chair.

It was interesting how he got a retrial but then claims was given an injection (for flu?) that he alleges gave him cancer, which he died of within months.

This links with the Ed Haslam and Judith Vary Baker books (and documentary) that all start off without knowledge of each other, have different objectives, but have many intersecting collaborations.

Ed Haslam is a journalist and son of a distinguished medical specialist in new Orleans was a contemporary and friend of Dr Mary Sherman, who was motivated to investigate her gruesome death in New Orleans, which had never been solved. He never expected to find links to Oswald which he did and find the cause and most probable culprits in her murder.

The most striking evidence in her murder was her autopsy report. She was found under a smoldering mattress in her apartment and was stabbed various times. However she was totally missing her right arm, right ribcage and most of the flesh of her right torso exposing her organs. There were no flesh or bones remaining from her arm or ribcage.

This was supposed to have happened after death from the smoldering mattress. Even though nothing else in the room or apartment caught fire or was damaged. Cause of death was one expertly placed stab wound to the heart.

The death is looked at from around 59 min in documentary above contains an police photo of the body which some need because even with the words from the autopsy report it's difficult for some to visualise what these injuries actually mean or look like.



Trigger alert for crime scene photo of missing arm and ribcage and burns to right torso.



Haslam's book found the heat from cremations always leave pieces of bone, but not here. Judith provided information that the lab work she was doing for Dr Mary and Oschner to quickly induce cancers in mice and primates, involved enthanising the mice with the most aggressive cancers, taking the tumours from the pancreases, centrifuging and her or Oswald taking this "product" to Dr Mary's apartment, or another person at the apartments. Through Dr Mary Sherman, they were further activated by a particle accelerator located somewhere on the Tulane medical campus.

Haslam comes to the conclusion that the cause of death was an "incident" with this particle accelerator and found the location at Tulane where it was located. It seems something went wrong or was altered with the wiring and Dr Mary pulling a lever suddenly had a death jot of electricity travel down her R arm, which vaporised the flesh and bones of her arm and right torso.

It left her heart beating and Haslam believed the stab wound to her heart was expertly placed to kill her in a "mercy killing". Other stab would were shown by the autopsy to occur after death and probably in the apartment to make it look like a robbery or assault.

This was top secret C I A project, "to kill Castro" with a death cancer shot that used a top secret particle accelerator and whether an accident or deliberate, was quickly covered up. Vary Baker claims Oswald had some of the cancer causing biological fluids in a thermos at one stage to take to Cuba, but failed to get a visa.

What both books show was Oswald and Vary Baker who was promised direct entry into Tulane Medical school for her help in a project she thought was leading to a cure for cancer (it was accepted, the quicker they gave mice cancer the quicker they could try remedies) were both working at C I A front Riley Coffee Co. which allowed her time to work at the off site Lab, Oswald to help and liase with Dr Mary, in an apartment rented by David Ferrie, who also helped with the lab work.

Vary Baker says when she realised the biological "product" was being tested on human subjects from prisons. Quite dramatically she wrote a note for Dr Ochner, went to Tulane and gave the receptionist her note to give to him. The receptionist asked if it was urgent and she said Yes. To her surprise, the receptionist paged Dr Oscher and read the message over the intercom.

"Dr Oshner it is unethical to inject people with something that could kill them."

She realised this very public message would enrage Oshner and he rang screaming at her at Dr Sherman's apartment. "There is never to be anything written down. No paper trail. Your life is over."

However he needed her for the time being to take blood tests from human patients at Jackson Mental hospital with Oswald, Clay Shaw and David Ferrie. Later they went back to Jackson Mental Hospital, where new patients and arrived that were offered clemency to volunteer for an experiment. After this she feared for her life and returned to home in Florida. She reunited with her husband (was 19, married at 18) and using her married name, moved to a religious community had children and lived a private life until her children grew up.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

November 20th 1963:
In Eunice, Louisiana, Prostitute, Rose Cheramine, tells Louisiana State Police Lieutenant France Fruge that two men, with whom she stopped at the Silver Slipper Lounge that night, on a drive from Miami to Dallas, plan to kill Kennedy when he arrives in Dallas

Two days after the assassination Fruge contacts Dallas Police to tell them of what he had been told by Cheramine 4 days earlier. The Dallas Police are not interested in his story

Fruge testifies as to what he knows at the House Select Committee on Assassinations

After the assassination and after Oswald's death, Cheramine also tells Fruge that she was a stripper at Jack Ruby's Carousel Club and that Oswald was a regular visitor and that he and Ruby were friends

A couple of years later Cheramine was "run over" by a car. The Car ran over her head. She remained alive for several hours where Doctors say the running over of head was an effort to disguise that she had been shot in the head.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Evidence given at the HSCoA was that Oswald (a lowly ranked Private in the US Marines) was given a CIA Clearance of 'Crypto'

The Crypro clearance was used for two reasons:
1. Payments made to CIA Field Operatives were paid under the designation of Crypto
2. A CIA Field Operative designated as Crypto was allowed to see Top Secret documents and able to receive Top Secret Information

Whilst in Japan, Oswald was assigned to the USA's Top Secret U2 program, which consisted of high altitude flights by U2 spy planes over the USSR and China.

Six months after Oswald "defected" (he didn't defect, he was in fact a CIA double agent - one of approximately 40 other Marine double agents used to supply false information to the KGB) a U2 spy plane, piloted by Gary Powers was shot down over Russia.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

In 1962 Oswald and his Russian Wife was allowed to re-enter the USA without ever being questioned about his time in the Soviet Union
In fact the Department of Defence gave him a low interest loan to re-start life in the US

In 1977 George de Mohrenschildt admitted he was a CIA Agent who handled CIA Field Officers

When Oswald returned to the USA he settled in Fort Worth Texas where he was met by George de Mohrenschildt

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I suspect many will not believe Dallas was not the first attempt to use the "Oswald ex-Marine Patsy playbook" to assassinate Kennedy

They either attempted to do it, or if not that, did a dry run, in Chicago earlier

 

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Interesting interview of Jeffrey Sachs who wrote To Move the World: JFK's Quest for Peace. Jeffrey Sachs unearths JFK's final political campaign—to establish a secure and lasting peace with the Soviet Union.

"Let us never negotiate out of fear, but never fear to negotiate."

Sachs: Kennedy came to realize, because he had people like the Air Force head, Curtis LeMay, who just wanted nuclear war it seems or first strike against the Soviet Union, that he was surrounded by a lot of hotheads who could end the world. And he realized Khrushchev probably was as well.

And the two of them came to realize, we better tamp this down. And they did.

And they agreed on a deal of this removal of missiles both from Cuba and from Turkey.

The big mistake Kennedy made, and I always think it's unfair to call it a mistake because he saved the world, so you get a lot of credit for that. But the mistake he made was insisting that the deal be secret so that it looked to the American people like he had simply faced down the Soviet Union and they had backed away.

Because it wasn't known that the removal of the American missiles were part of an exchange, and that wasn't known for decades actually.

Hedges: I want to talk about the decision to give this speech, which I had not read in full until I read it in your book and then went and listened to it. It has to be one of the most courageous acts by a politician, you could argue perhaps since anything FDR did. And it's utterly remarkable. And what's frightening or disturbing is that I can't see any political figure giving a speech like that again. So let's talk about how Kennedy changed and what he set out to do. And of course it was all cut short by his assassination in November of 1963.

Sachs: I think first it's fair to say that being president of the United States is a tough job and it's impossible to do right in the early days and early years because you don't get it.

And our security state in the United States, which was created by the National Security Act of 1947, which created a secret security state and a private army of the United States called the CIA, which is one half its function, because it does intelligence and it does private warfare of the United States.

And the whole apparatus is secret and largely out of control. And it is absolutely out of control by any public understanding or scrutiny or accountability or congressional oversigh today as it was in the early 1960s. Well, Kennedy came in with a lot of energy and idealism and brilliance and he stumbled terribly in the first year with the Bay of Pigs Cuban invasion and then in the second year, the near disaster of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

And my view is he had the potential for greatness at the beginning and by his third year he had become a magnificent politician and statesman of the first order. One of our truly great presidents. The growth that came through this set of trials was extraordinary.

Already after the Bay of Pigs, Kennedy was so disturbed by the CIA that he was beside himself about how they had led the US and his administration and himself personally into this awful debacle. He didn't trust the CIA. After the Cuban Missile Crisis and after hearing people like Curtis LeMay even essentially calling Kennedy a traitor for not launching the war or a coward and feeling all of this pressure for war, he was profoundly disturbed and profoundly moved and profoundly scared at how fragile the world was. And he was determined to do something in 1963.

Hedges: Let me just interject. He fired Dulles and he fired Bissell. So he actually took on the CIA establishment and triggered deep animus. And I want you, as you go on, to talk about this speech,

 

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So Kennedy wanted to say to the American people, peace is possible, even with the Soviet Union, even with the other side.

And the whole content of the speech is they are human beings like we are. They want to live, they want to protect their children, they want to have a future.

And this speech is unbelievable, because it's the only foreign policy speech I know of anywhere where it is not telling the other side what to do, not making threats, not reveling in glory, not saying we are number one, not saying they are evil, but saying to the American people, we need to reconsider our own position.

And remember today we're told every day by the completely irresponsible, reckless and ignorant mass media like the New York Times, I'm going to say because it's terrible, and like the Washington Post and others, there's no one to talk to.

There's no one to negotiate with over Ukraine. And in the Cold War in 1963, it was even more like that. The Cuban Missile Crisis had just occurred.

Could you even imagine negotiating with the Soviet Union? And Kennedy's whole message is we can negotiate. They want the same things. They too will abide by treaties as long as those treaties are also in their interest and they can be relied upon to abide by treaties that are in their interest and also in our interests. There is a benefit of cooperation. This is rational.

In fact, the pursuit of peace is the rational end of rational men, says President Kennedy.






And I think one of the things that Kennedy also says in here, which is incredible, is his advice on leadership. And I don't have exactly the words here, but to paraphrase, he says:

by defining our goal more clearly, by making it seem more manageable and less remote, we help all people to see it, to draw hope from it, and to move irresistibly toward it.

So the goal of peace, if made to be manageable, practical, like a treaty, to stop atomic testing, stop atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons, is a practical, manageable step and people draw hope from it.

So the speech was kept completely outside of the bureaucracy, was essentially hidden from the security apparatus, from the State Department, the CIA, even the White House. Only Sorensen and Kennedy worked on it basically until the last moment.

And what is amazing, absolutely amazing is that Khrushchev heard it, summoned the US envoy and said "I want to make peace with your president."

Kennedy disseminated the speech through Pravda, Izvestiya. Pravda reprinted it and broadcast the speech. And within a few weeks they had signed the agreement. Within a few weeks.

Absolutely an astounding achievement. Then Kennedy, just to say he was also the grassroots politician, he was a political guy to the core. He went out to campaign for it. And so he took his tour around the United States.

The joint chiefs, they come to testify in Congress and try to knock down this agreement.

And Kennedy carried the American public overwhelmingly and then won a decisive victory in the Senate 60 years ago, for the ratification of this treaty.

Kennedy went to UN General Assembly to tell the leaders what this meant, in another completely magnificent address.

And he said, "This is not the end of conflict, but it is a ray of hope piercing through the clouds."

And he ends his address to the world leaders assembled in front of him in the chamber of the UN General Assembly. Kennedy, having brought peace, brought hope, and all the world leaders assembled in front of him.

And he says to them that Archimedes is said to have told his friends,

"Give me a place to stand and I can move the world. Fellow leaders of the world, let us see if we can take our stand here in this place, in this time, to move the world towards peace."

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Within the CIA there was an Assassinations Unit, the Unit also had within it a small team dedicated to monitoring CIA agents that were considered to be high risk.
The Unit would open, what was known as, a 201 file on those high risk CIA operatives

A 201 file consisted of fake documents, fake relationships, fake voice recordings, fake photographs and fake meetings between the high risk CIA operative and foreign governments so as to paint the CIA operative as being rogue. The file was 'ready to go' and could be dropped on Congress and the Media at a moments notice.

In the late 1970's Congresses Church Committee, which was investigating US Intelligence Agencies, found that the CIA opened a 201 file on Oswald on December 9th 1960.
The Church Committee also discovered that the existence of a 201 file on Oswald was also given in evidence to the Warren Commission in a closed door session, but was kept out of the final Warren Commission report due to "National Security"

 

[Baltimore Jack]

In 1974 a researcher named Harold Weissberg after a protracted legal battle, gained access to a Top Secret Warren Commission report that up until that date, had never been published

The report showed that Oswald had been on the FBI pay roll at $200 per month since September 1962

 

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Within the CIA there was an Assassinations Unit, the Unit also had within it a small team dedicated to monitoring CIA agents that were considered to be high risk.
The Unit would open, what was known as, a 201 file on those high risk CIA operatives

A 201 file consisted of fake documents, fake relationships, fake voice recordings, fake photographs and fake meetings between the high risk CIA operative and foreign governments so as to paint the CIA operative as being rogue. The file was 'ready to go' and could be dropped on Congress and the Media at a moments notice.

In the late 1970's Congresses Church Committee, which was investigating US Intelligence Agencies, found that the CIA opened a 201 file on Oswald on December 9th 1960.
The Church Committee also discovered that the existence of a 201 file on Oswald was also given in evidence to the Warren Commission in a closed door session, but was kept out of the final Warren Commission report due to "National Security"

An "asset" but not an agent. So much evidence he was doing work for them, especially "working" for C I A front Riley Coffee Company in New Orleans, then liaising with the Castro groups and the experimental cancer lab in David Ferrie's apartment.

Also in the FBI payroll. That makes sense since he was having contact with known FBI people. I'm guessing they (possibly direct line to RFK) were wanting to know what the C I A that hated JFK were up to.

However, the phone call that he made from his cell the night before he died went to Raleigh, North Carolina. He gave two numbers, both to a John Hurt. John D Hurt was an ex US special agent for US Army counter intelligence unit who they think was used as an emergency number given to Oswald and who would pass the message to the real recipient, which they think was the ONI. In late 50s ran an office near by in Nags Head, N.C. running programs for military personal for "defections" to the USSR.

 

[BlueE]

This goes into details and surprise guest speaker and JFK Assassination expert the late Jim Marrs joins Dr. Proctor on stage at 58.00 minutes.

 

[BlueE]

In 1974 a researcher named Harold Weissberg after a protracted legal battle, gained access to a Top Secret Warren Commission report that up until that date, had never been published

The report showed that Oswald had been on the FBI pay roll at $200 per month since September 1962

I meant to say that while Oswald was allowed his phone call as was his legal right under the Constitution, the call was never put through by the operator on orders from two men (thinks were govt. agents), no numbers were dialed.

Proof only exists of the number for John Hunt in Raleigh, North Carolina he wanted dialed, because one of the Dallas Police Dept. operators made a record and kept it. I think it was 1968 when she contacted her local law enforcement and then the FBI.



Someone suggested this for me.

An interesting look at the case of Eugine Dinkon that could have proved a collusion between the intelligence networks and the Deputy AG of the USA. From around 22 minutes, he was a US cryptographer, code breaker and intelligence officer working at a US Army base in Metz, France in 1963.

In September 1963 he finds evidence (from breaking French intelligence codes, who in turn were monitoring US intelligence conversations?) of a plot against JFK, writes to RFK on October 16th. Waits for a reply but hasn't got one, so on October 25th leaves the base in an effort to given the information to US ambassador to Luxemburg. Had all his information but was refused

Goes to Israeli Embassy next door and then give him information on how to proceed with his information, but says to go back to base first. Was told because he went outside channels, he will be arrested and then went AWOL to Geneva.

James Angleton of C I A intercepts the letter and it is never received by RFK as AG. Angleton gives the letter to RFK's deputy AG, Jack Miller, who talks to Colonel Burris (former attaché to LBJ) and along with Angleton, Cliff Carter, Dr Hurst (LBJ's personal Dr) and get on a Air force 2 on morning of Nov 3rd with LBJ, landing the next day, to visit the US embassy in Luxemburg.

FOI act shows VP log with LBJ at his ranch in Texas through October and November, except for these few days with a flight to Geneva.

Dinkon goes to UN in Geneva on Nov 5th with the date of November 22 for the assassination of JFK and tells journalists (Time Life, Canada for one) the story. Leaves Geneva the next day on the run, attempting to get his story out to as many reputable people that he can and spread the story.

However, Dinkon was arrested around 5th or 6th November and put into a psych ward on his army base until after the assassination.

He was then taken back to the US around December 3rd 1963, to Walter Reid Hospital (Washington) Psych ward and given drugs and electric shock treatment and with diagnosed as "schizo - assassination - prognostication disease"

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I meant to say that while Oswald was allowed his phone call as was his legal right under the Constitution, the call was never put through by the operator on orders from two men (thinks were govt. agents), no numbers were dialed.

Proof only exists of the number for John Hunt in Raleigh, North Carolina he wanted dialed, because one of the Dallas Police Dept. operators made a record and kept it. I think it was 1968 when she contacted her local law enforcement and then the FBI.



Someone suggested this for me.

An interesting look at the case of Eugine Dinkon that could have proved a collusion between the intelligence networks and the Deputy AG of the USA. From around 22 minutes, he was a US cryptographer, code breaker and intelligence officer working at a US Army base in Metz, France in 1963.

In September 1963 he finds evidence (from breaking French intelligence codes, who in turn were monitoring US intelligence conversations?) of a plot against JFK, writes to RFK on October 16th. Waits for a reply but hasn't got one, so on October 25th leaves the base in an effort to given the information to US ambassador to Luxemburg. Had all his information but was refused

Goes to Israeli Embassy next door and then give him information on how to proceed with his information, but says to go back to base first. Was told because he went outside channels, he will be arrested and then went AWOL to Geneva.

James Angleton of C I A intercepts the letter and it is never received by RFK as AG. Angleton gives the letter to RFK's deputy AG, Jack Miller, who talks to Colonel Burris (former attaché to LBJ) and along with Angleton, Cliff Carter, Dr Hurst (LBJ's personal Dr) and get on a Air force 2 on morning of Nov 3rd with LBJ, landing the next day, to visit the US embassy in Luxemburg.

FOI act shows VP log with LBJ at his ranch in Texas through October and November, except for these few days with a flight to Geneva.

Dinkon goes to UN in Geneva on Nov 5th with the date of November 22 for the assassination of JFK and tells journalists (Time Life, Canada for one) the story. Leaves Geneva the next day on the run, attempting to get his story out to as many reputable people that he can and spread the story.

However, Dinkon was arrested around 5th or 6th November and put into a psych ward on his army base until after the assassination.

He was then taken back to the US around December 3rd 1963, to Walter Reid Hospital (Washington) Psych ward and given drugs and electric shock treatment and with diagnosed as "schizo - assassination - prognostication disease"

The Soviet Union also discovered the plot and realised they were being set up as co-conspirators with Oslwald.
They tried to warn JFK two weeks out from the assassination.
Once the assassination occured LBJ shut down the Soviet Union angle as he did not want another world war, he much preferred the 'lone nut assassin' story and with Alan Dulles ensured that story would be the prevailing narrative as it was much more acceptable to the American Public

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I've always been interested in who gave the actual order (the 'go' order) to kill Kennedy

My Top 3 are:
1. James Angleton (head of CIA assassinations Unit)
2. Alan Dulles (Former head of CIA sacked by Kennedy, member of Warren Commission)
3. Richard Helmes (Assassin Planner CIA....later Director General CIA)