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It doesn’t have to be though, it would help if all 3 were on more level pegging actually.

I don’t consider the US more moral than the other 2 when it comes to foreign policy.
Russia is a dying nation, EU, India, a post Xi China and (Trump in jail) US having equal influence would be a much better world

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It doesn’t have to be though, it would help if all 3 were on more level pegging actually.

I don’t consider the US more moral than the other 2 when it comes to foreign policy.
Well one is still a liberal democracy, and two are authoritarian dictatorships.

I wouldn't like the latter to be the global cops in the interests of liberal democracies, coz they're not interested in liberal or democratic values.
 
Russia is a dying nation, EU, India, a post Xi China and (Trump in jail) US having equal influence would be a much better world

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So we've just gotta wait for russia to die off and xi to fall off the perch, could be a long wait.

Oh and hope and pray that don doesn't win office.
 
Wow. Im stunned that people would think this. Have you been reading the news in the past couple of years regarding ukraine and hong kong?

I’ve also read the news regarding Israel, Yemen, and well the Middle East in general.

The US are on the right side of the conflict in Ukraine, but pretending it’s for any moral crusade is absurd.

None of this is to say that Russia or China are more moral than the US, they are clearly worse on personal freedoms in their own countries than the US, but foreign policy, all just look out for themselves.
 
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US also support plenty of dictators.
This is not news, but they do it for self interest reasons, not ideological ones, and they're not the only ones, one could speculate that many if not all liberal democracies do support dictators for self interest.

Not the point though is it. If you want a real threat to liberal democracy then having xi and vlad as the global cops is the way to go about it.

Regardless of what and how bad you think of the US, it's still a liberal democracy and will remain that way unless don gets in. Would rather them than the alternative.
 
So we've just gotta wait for russia to die off and xi to fall off the perch, could be a long wait.

Oh and hope and pray that don doesn't win office.
Xi is leading China off a cliff and has only survived so far with increasing authoritarianism and claiming the successes from his predecessors reforms. Unfortunately he will probably launch an unprovoked attack on peaceful Taiwan killing millions of civilians to distract from his ever growing list of failures.

If the West keeps supporting Ukraine and tightens restrictions further, Putin and Russia will fall as well.

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Xi is leading China off a cliff and has only survived so far with increasing authoritarianism and claiming the successes from his predecessors reforms. Unfortunately he will probably launch an unprovoked attack on peaceful Taiwan killing millions of civilians to distract from his ever growing list of failures.

If the West keeps supporting Ukraine and tightens restrictions further, Putin and Russia will fall as well.

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Yep, just a question of when.
 

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This is not news, but they do it for self interest reasons, not ideological ones, and they're not the only ones, one could speculate that many if not all liberal democracies do support dictators for self interest.

Not the point though is it. If you want a real threat to liberal democracy then having xi and vlad as the global cops is the way to go about it.

Regardless of what and how bad you think of the US, it's still a liberal democracy and will remain that way unless don gets in. Would rather them than the alternative.

As I am saying Russia and China being more powerful than the US and running things now they see fit definitely doesn’t enthuse me.

The self interest part in terms of supporting dictators, I think we are in agreement here, it’s out of self interest and not ideology. Thing is the US claim that supporting Ukraine is some sort of moral crusade, which is total BS (even though I do agree with them supporting Ukraine)
 
As I am saying Russia and China being more powerful than the US and running things now they see fit definitely doesn’t enthuse me.

The self interest part in terms of supporting dictators, I think we are in agreement here, it’s out of self interest and not ideology. Thing is the US claim that supporting Ukraine is some sort of moral crusade, which is total BS (even though I do agree with them supporting Ukraine)
Who cares, I'll redirect you to your post 381

It doesn’t have to be though, it would help if all 3 were on more level pegging actually.

Regardless of the US being disingenuous from a moral viewpoint isn't really what's important.

If you like liberal democracy you don't want two oppressive dictators to be global cops, thought that would be pretty evident.
 
Xi is leading China off a cliff and has only survived so far with increasing authoritarianism and claiming the successes from his predecessors reforms. Unfortunately he will probably launch an unprovoked attack on peaceful Taiwan killing millions of civilians to distract from his ever growing list of failures.
There's a growing strain of geopolitical thought that suggests the moment to invade Taiwan has already passed due to the change in China's demographics reducing the viable population required to make such an invasion - one which would risk war with America - successful.

And with no guarantee of success, Xi will not move.
If the West keeps supporting Ukraine and tightens restrictions further, Putin and Russia will fall as well.

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Remains to be seen. Russia has too much economic strength and their veto means they'll always have power in world affairs, Putin or no.
 
There's a growing strain of geopolitical thought that suggests the moment to invade Taiwan has already passed due to the change in China's demographics reducing the viable population required to make such an invasion - one which would risk war with America - successful.

And with no guarantee of success, Xi will not move.

Remains to be seen. Russia has too much economic strength and their veto means they'll always have power in world affairs, Putin or no.
If Trump wins the election the USA will not intervene in Taiwan and Xi knows this. Trump wants foreign authoritarians to win as long as it doesnt directly impact the UsA. If Biden wins you may well be right.
 
If Trump wins the election the USA will not intervene in Taiwan and Xi knows this. Trump wants foreign authoritarians to win as long as it doesnt directly impact the UsA. If Biden wins you may well be right.
America is not the only nation with an interest in keeping China to themselves. Japan/Taiwan, India will look at an invasion of Taiwan... poorly.

And I take leave to doubt that Trump would keep America from getting involved in such a conflict. Their policy for pretty much the last 20 years has been containment of China's sphere of influence in the Pacific; the Republicans know that a failure to go to war under these circumstances would be tantamount to ceding control of the Pacific - and their west coast - to the Chinese navy.

The Republicans are also still stuck in Cold War mindsets, anyway. Watch the 'Communist China'/Domino theory rhetoric ramp up if he wins and China ramps up tension; this is not a situation from which he'll be able to keep them away.

Ukraine is the country who'll be ****ed if he becomes president again.
 
While I don't want the scenario to become reality, of course, it would be interesting how the military would react to being told to stand down when China started assembling their invasion forces.
How much Trump could swap out the normie generals and admirals for his own hand-picked ones and how long would it take? One would think China would watch that closely and plan their timetable accordingly.
Another key buttress against Trump allowing any overt moves would the uber-conservative donor class and orgs like Heritage/Federalist. In a way, they are the Deep State. How would they react to the situation would be decisive.
 
America is not the only nation with an interest in keeping China to themselves. Japan/Taiwan, India will look at an invasion of Taiwan... poorly.
It is essentially a Chinese province(ethnically/historically), as the US officially takes it as. A hong kong type set up is far more likley imo, rather than a direct invasion. Or a status quo if cool heads remain, Taiwan strait crisis's aren't a new thing
And I take leave to doubt that Trump would keep America from getting involved in such a conflict. Their policy for pretty much the last 20 years has been containment of China's sphere of influence in the Pacific; the Republicans know that a failure to go to war under these circumstances would be tantamount to ceding control of the Pacific - and their west coast - to the Chinese navy.
This is surely very different things, with satellite imagery and their sub fleet blue ocean navies aren't quite so mysterious these days
The Republicans are also still stuck in Cold War mindsets, anyway. Watch the 'Communist China'/Domino theory rhetoric ramp up if he wins and China ramps up tension; this is not a situation from which he'll be able to keep them away.

Ukraine is the country who'll be ****ed if he becomes president again.
They're running domino theory in Ukraine/ eastern Europe atm, it will no doubt prove rubbish again


Also sorry previous comment; the demographic arguments are rubbish, Ukraine has 50+ y/o on the front line and they're just as effective. Capitalism sneaking into the natalist/climate change arguments
 

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