Analysis Inside 50s into goals

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I find it interesting that our forwards coach sits on the bench (back bench)

I would have thought being in the box and attempting to come up with different structures / changes would be more important
 
Windy Cindy said:
I find it interesting that our forwards coach sits on the bench (back bench)

I would have thought being in the box and attempting to come up with different structures / changes would be more important
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In the Stuart Graham thread I wrote that I told Ford Fairlane at Alberton at one of the trials this year, I have to keep some stats on goal square conversion because our oppo seems to kick a lot more goals than us from the goal square over a season. I have been too lazy to keep these stats, but my eyes tell me nothing has really changed.

Put of the discussion with Ford wasn't just about us kicking goals from the goal square, or oppo running into an open goal square, but poor defending and not being smart enough, or skilled enough to knock the ball thru the oppo's goal line or behind line to kill the ball and not let the oppo score an easy goal from a metre out or less.

It also ties in with what I have also been typing about we work too bloody hard for our goals and then the oppo from kick ins or general turnovers slice thru our high high press and get out in space and end up scoring easy goals.

So I thought I'd get off my arse, but took a bit of a short cut and looked at the Footy Live app's graphics.

The worst has been against Collingwood.

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"We need to look at the way we move the ball collectively through the ground and then inside 50 and not just be pleased that we have 10 more inside 50s than the opposition for I don't know how many times in a row.

Finally Ken has acknowledged the problem.

I guess its safe for Janus to admit it now too then.

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That first half is exactly what we have been crying out for.

It would be great to see the behind the goals footage and I haven't checked the pressure rating so I'm not sure how much of it was them allowing us to free roll and how much was our system being better. I suspect Geelongs midfield pressure was far less, which was partially rectified by their sub.

However the leading and creating space was infinitely better.

I noted on the match day thread that one of Marshall's goals when they showed the behind the goals replay was a direct result of Duxon leading up to the 50 and creating a vacuum behind him.

52 inside 50s for 15 goals. Yes please.

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Enviable Tradition said:
That first half is exactly what we have been crying out for.

It would be great to see the behind the goals footage and I haven't checked the pressure rating so I'm not sure how much of it was them allowing us to free roll and how much was our system being better. I suspect Geelongs midfield pressure was far less, which was partially rectified by their sub.

However the leading and creating space was infinitely better.

I noted on the match day thread that one of Marshall's goals when they showed the behind the goals replay was a direct result of Duxon leading up to the 50 and creating a vacuum behind him.

52 inside 50s for 15 goals. Yes please.

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Definitely saw that too.

I’m sure they did that early on last season.

At the end of the year we just reverted to bomb it in.
 
Interesting to hear Bergman admit on SEN today that they had played one inside 50 game all year but changed it for the Cats game. Podcast available on the app.

At least it is a sign that someone is willing to make a change when it's not working.

If it was Ken then good on him for finally admitting it but given his historical lack of desire to change on the go you'd have to think that it is Chad or perhaps even Josh that deserves the credit.

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Good sides have more then one gameplan or at least variations of there style of play. Whether it was by design or just a fluke is to be seen. Think we revert back to bombing when the pressure is on.
 
Enviable Tradition said:
Interesting to hear Bergman admit on SEN today that they had played one inside 50 game all year but changed it for the Cats game. Podcast available on the app.

At least it is a sign that someone is willing to make a change when it's not working.

If it was Ken then good on him for finally admitting it but given his historical lack of desire to change on the go you'd have to think that it is Chad or perhaps even Josh that deserves the credit.

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If you had bothered to listen to the press conference after the Showdown you would have heard Ken say that the game style for delivery into 50 doesn't work.

"We couldn't convert. We just could not convert. All the numbers that you like or want or need...the reality for us is that that has been consistent and we've been falling down too often in conversion. You know...whatever you want to say, the facts are that we're not scoring at the level that we need to.

We've never put more energy into conversion as a football club. There's a few things that might go into that then...it's game style, it can be personnel, it can be managing the stress of taking the opportunities. I think there's two or three things that we need to look really clearly at, because we can't keep ignoring the reality of...I don't know what it was tonight, 5.18 or 6.18...it's embarrassingly poor in front of goals.

There's a couple of things...you've got to go to game style first and foremost - "Are we getting shots that we need to get in the positions that we need to get them?" and "Have we got what we need in front of the ball to allow us to convert more often than not?" At the moment the simple answer is, right here right now, the answer to both questions is "No" to what we've got in front of the ball and "Yes" to "We need to look at the way we move the ball collectively through the ground and not just be pleased that we've got 10 more entries than the opposition, I don't know how many times in a row."

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The difference between the Adelaide game and the Geelong game in terms of set shots was 0 - +1 if you count Rioli's hand off the Byrne-Jones in the square.

In terms of conversion, we went at 55% against Geelong for set shots and 50% against Adelaide for set shots,

The improvement came from conversion in general play - against Adelaide we had 9 shots in general play and didn't score a single goal. Against Geelong we had 11 shots and scored a goal from 6 of them - 55%.

The 'change' was keeping Rioli as the deep forward (ala Robbie Gray. Rioli got all his possessions within the vicinity of the 50m arc, whereas every other forward spent time up the ground at some point.
 
11 years and they decide to change the gameplan after the media is allowed to criticise it.

Crazy stuff from the head coach.

We need to find avenues to goal when we are locked down.

It is easy to create scoring opportunities when the Hornet is dominating stoppages but when he or the midfield itself is clamped down upon, we really need some creative ways to bring the ball forward with efficiency.
 
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I can’t believe in what I’m listening.

So, we finally decided to do something different after doing the same thing over and over again since 2016.

It has taken only EIGHT YEARS. So brilliant. So courageous.

I’m impressed.

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P.S.: I mean, now that we’ve seen it, it indeed looks obvious. But who could have actually foreseen it, right?

AMAZING!
 
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It will always be a struggle with Bottom 10 Ken because his personal nature of lazy narcissism has permeated the team. He really is the anti-Creed.

If he was a CEO of a company, he would have driven it into bankruptcy at about 2018.

To have 11 years of it really shows you that Koch is the worst things to ever happen to the Port Adelaide Football Club.

It just beggars belief.
 
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Janus said:
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v. Adelaide
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v. Geelong
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Janus said:
If you had bothered to listen to the press conference after the Showdown you would have heard Ken say that the game style for delivery into 50 doesn't work.
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Enviable Tradition said:
"We need to look at the way we move the ball collectively through the ground and then inside 50 and not just be pleased that we have 10 more inside 50s than the opposition for I don't know how many times in a row.

Finally Ken has acknowledged the problem.

I guess its safe for Janus to admit it now too then.

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GremioPower said:
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v. Geelong
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Set shots from 0-30 degree angles against Geelong: 7 (8 if you count the Rioli handoff) (5 goals, 3 points)

Set shots from 0-30 degree angles against Adelaide: 6 (3 goals, 3 points)

Set shots from 30-60 degree angles against Geelong: 3 (1 goal, 1 behind, 1 miss)

Set shots from 30-60 degree angles against Adelaide: 4 (2 goals, 2 behinds)

Set shots from 60+ degree angles against Geelong: 1 (1 goal)

Set shots from 60+ degree angles against Adelaide: 0

We lead the league in marks inside 50 per game alongside GWS (14.6). We are second for goal kicking accuracy at 42.8%.

vs Geelong - 14 (12 set shots, 8 goals) - 67%
vs Adelaide - 10 (10 set shots, 5 goals) - 50%
vs St Kilda - 13 (16 set shots, 6 goals) - 37.5% (however, 6 of those shots were outside 50)
vs Collingwood - 14 (12 set shots, 6 goals) - 50%
vs Fremantle - 12 (12 set shots, 6 goals) - 50%
vs Essendon - 12 (12 set shots, 7 goals) - 58%
vs Melbourne - 14 (14 set shots, 6 goals) - 43%
vs Richmond - 17 (20 set shots, 10 goals) - 50%
vs West Coast - 25 (25 set shots, 11 goals) - 44%

In other words, we were going along just fine until the Collingwood game which dented our confidence. That transferred over to the St Kilda game where we started taking shots further out instead of working the ball around like we should have.

If people are expecting us to play like we did against Geelong every game, you're deliberately setting yourself up for disappointment. Games where you kick 60-70% accuracy are rare as ****.
 
Janus said:
If people are expecting us to play like we did against Geelong every game, you're deliberately setting yourself up for disappointment. Games where you kick 60-70% accuracy are rare as heck.
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Results will vary but if we play the method we did in the first 2.5 quarters against Geelong I will be happy.

As I said earlier seeing Charlie lead up and drag defenders out for Todd to lead up behind him was a sight for sore eyes.
 
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