Society/Culture Elon Musk - Takeover of Twitter?

[Ghost Patrol]

I'd rather focus on the stabbing video for a number of reasons.

It's fascinating that a QLD'er who took so much pleasure at heavy policing of peaceful Victorian protesters during the pandemic is upset when the same response is used against his team.

The seeds you plant yesterday help create your environment today.

Of course you would. It's not about free speech for you.

The cookers attacked journalists, health workers and made threats to politicians. Hardly peaceful.
The policing of them was kinda like watching Collingwood and Carlton brawl. Neither are/were my team.

 

[evolved2]

Of course you would. It's not about free speech for you.

The cookers attacked journalists, health workers and made threats to politicians. Hardly peaceful.
The policing of them was kinda like watching Collingwood and Carlton brawl. Neither are/were my team.

If you support a set of rules when your team isn't playing, the umpires will use the same interpretation of the rulebook when your team is playing.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

If you support a set of rules when your team isn't playing, the umpires will use the same interpretation of the rulebook when your team is playing.

Can you apply this to your views on Extinction Rebellion holding up traffic?

 

[mcgrath_truther]

I'm quite confident he's not acting in good faith. Regardless, his claimed views align with mine in this instance.

i reckon you’ve been swindled, his views align with whoever gives him more money

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Pro-apartheid crew don't like free speech when it's critical of Israel.

 

[evolved2]

Can you apply this to your views on Extinction Rebellion holding up traffic?

Some basic etiquette for any protest should be expected, regardless of cause. Any group that deliberately blocks major freeways without warning during peak traffic periods are campaigners.

 

[Cap]

Some basic etiquette for any protest should be expected, regardless of cause. Any group that deliberately blocks major freeways without warning during peak traffic periods are campaigners.

Would that be a bit like not hosting the video of a stabbing on an easily accessible social media platform ?


Or stabbings are within basic etiquette?

 

[spinynorman]

Obviously Elon’s a twat whose commitment to free speech is incredibly shallow.

But the eSafety Commissioner is a position created in bad legislation written by the Morrison Government and supported by an Albanese Opposition that was more interested in narrowing any divisive cause of differentiation between them and the Government, despite numerous obvious flaws with the legislation. The power that’s being wielded here could also be used to ban arthouse films.

It’s no doubt fun for Labor politicians to pick a fight with the odious Musk. But it’s a dumb fight to pick, and this is bad tech policy.

 

[CM86]

Obviously Elon’s a twat whose commitment to free speech is incredibly shallow.

But the eSafety Commissioner is a position created in bad legislation written by the Morrison Government and supported by an Albanese Opposition that was more interested in narrowing any divisive cause of differentiation between them and the Government, despite numerous obvious flaws with the legislation. The power that’s being wielded here could also be used to ban arthouse films.

It’s no doubt fun for Labor politicians to pick a fight with the odious Musk. But it’s a dumb fight to pick, and this is bad tech policy.

They aren't picking a fight with Musk.

You know that.

 

[Gralin]

Does anyone defending Musk's position on this think Twitter is actually a safe place for teens who can sign up and see videos os stabbings because free speech?

Do they think the video of the stabbing is being shared because of public interest vs as a tool to radicalise people?

 

[BigPond101]

Does anyone defending Musk's position on this think Twitter is actually a safe place for teens who can sign up and see videos os stabbings because free speech?

Do they think the video of the stabbing is being shared because of public interest vs as a tool to radicalise people?

But they've already banned people in Australia from viewing it. The issue is whether it should be banned from the whole world viewing it. I assume you are pro Palestine, so if Israel started carpet bombing Rafah tonight then demanded all footage of it be banned from the entire world you support that?

It's amazing how short sited censorship supporters are and how they can't see how small the gap is between: "Something I don't agree with is censored, woo hoo !!!" to "something on my side is now being censored, oh dear, this is bad"

 

[Gough]

And now Robert Shlimon, which doesn't sound quite as grand as Mari mar hey nonny no or whatever he decided to call himself looks to be using his own stabbing to push his s***head agenda.

 

[evolved2]

But they've already banned people in Australia from viewing it. The issue is whether it should be banned from the whole world viewing it. I assume you are pro Palestine, so if Israel started carpet bombing Rafah tonight then demanded all footage of it be banned from the entire world you support that?

It's amazing how short sited censorship supporters are and how they can't see how small the gap is between: "Something I don't agree with is censored, woo hoo !!!" to "something on my side is now being censored, oh dear, this is bad"

Teens are often more tech savvy than adults anyway. If adults can easily find graphic religion-based violent videos, you can be sure teens already do. I don't agree with the idea that one more video on twitter is going to significantly contribute to radicalisation.

The benefit to the public interest in having the video available outweighs any potential risks in this instance. Let the censorship-happy Australian government geo-block the content while other countries use their own laws to determine the best way to deal with it.

 

[evolved2]

Would that be a bit like not hosting the video of a stabbing on an easily accessible social media platform ?


Or stabbings are within basic etiquette?

It's not the same thing. You're not personally affected by the stabbing video given you don't have to watch it. The same goes with a lot of content that people want banned, including books, comedy, movies, pornography.

Don't like it, don't watch it. Why should others be prevented from seeing content just because you don't like it?

If it can be conclusively shown that the content will contribute significantly towards radicalising people, that's a different discussion. It's also one that should be judged and handled by each nation in accordance with their own laws.

 

[Gralin]

But they've already banned people in Australia from viewing it. The issue is whether it should be banned from the whole world viewing it. I assume you are pro Palestine, so if Israel started carpet bombing Rafah tonight then demanded all footage of it be banned from the entire world you support that?

It's amazing how short sited censorship supporters are and how they can't see how small the gap is between: "Something I don't agree with is censored, woo hoo !!!" to "something on my side is now being censored, oh dear, this is bad"

Amazing how many people can't tell the difference between a stabbing and war crimes

 

[Gralin]

It's not the same thing. You're not personally affected by the stabbing video given you don't have to watch it. The same goes with a lot of content that people want banned, including books, comedy, movies, pornography.

Don't like it, don't watch it. Why should others be prevented from seeing content just because you don't like it?

If it can be conclusively shown that the content will contribute significantly towards radicalising people, that's a different discussion. It's also one that should be judged and handled by each nation in accordance with their own laws.

Why do you put video of a violent crime in the same category as art?

 

[Cap]

It's not the same thing. You're not personally affected by the stabbing video given you don't have to watch it. The same goes with a lot of content that people want banned, including books, comedy, movies, pornography.

im not personally effected by Kiddie pr0n, should I be fine if people are hosting it in on X too? Are you?

Don't like it, don't watch it. Why should others be prevented from seeing content just because you don't like it?

Its not about liking the content.

I can see videos of Russians being blown up on telegram, they are banned on Twitter....but i would expect that.

If it can be conclusively shown that the content will contribute significantly towards radicalising people, that's a different discussion. It's also one that should be judged and handled by each nation in accordance with their own laws.

It is someone being stabbed.

You are literally complaining about the lack of etiquette of protestors but not concerned by Musk leaving up a video of a stabbing.

Some basic etiquette for any social media company should be expected, regardless of cause.

 

[Gralin]

Also do you think when there is a DMCA takedown request that twitter just geoblocks the content for one country?

Musk specifically didn't deal with this properly so he could have his little circus about global censorship

What was requested isn't anything new at all

 

[mcgrath_truther]

interesting this is the line in the sand by mr musk considering that in 2023, he'd been fine accepting 98% of censorship requests from governments. real big chin scratcher this one is, don't know why

 

[BigPond101]

Amazing how many people can't tell the difference between a stabbing and war crimes

Who decides the difference? Hamas is currently promoting a video of an Oct 7 kidnapping hostage with his arm amputated at the wrist. Is that a war crime ? No because he's a Jew and you hate Jews.

 

[Cap]

It's a long rant here. But its the selectiveness of Musk that gives away his true position is what I think the takeaway is.

 

[mcgrath_truther]

Who decides the difference? Hamas is currently promoting a video of an Oct 7 kidnapping hostage with his arm amputated at the wrist. Is that a war crime ? No because he's a Jew and you hate Jews.

define a war crime please

 

[BigPond101]

define a war crime please

I'm being completely honest here, I don't know if I can legally link to the newest Hamas hostage video of mutilated hostages

 

[evolved2]

im not personally effected by Kiddie pr0n, should I be fine if people are hosting it in on X too? Are you?


Its not about liking the content.

I can see videos of Russians being blown up on telegram, they are banned on Twitter....but i would expect that.




It is someone being stabbed.

You are literally complaining about the lack of etiquette of protestors but not concerned by Musk leaving up a video of a stabbing.

Some basic etiquette for any social media company should be expected, regardless of cause.

I'm sure everyone here agrees kiddie pr0n is not acceptable anywhere. It's not an apples v apples argument.

The reasons I've watched violent cartel videos don't include having a fetish for violence or any sympathy towards the aggressors. Part of it is wanting to know what's really happening in the world - a vision of reality that a news article can't provide. I don't believe anyone is hurt when that material is posted online (which differentiates it from child pr0n) - not significantly more than violent movies or video games anyway. As previously said - kids are already given easy access to real content more violent than the stabbing video. Being outraged over having it on Twitter seems silly.

I'll give myself a small break from this thread so I don't end up going around in circles.

 

[Millky95]

It's a long rant here. But its the selectiveness of Musk that gives away his true position is what I think the takeaway is.

An excellent read. I particularly enjoyed