The great blackout of 2016

[Geoffa32]

The overwhelming amount of carbon is produced by farming and industry, not individuals.

We could reduce each persons carbon footprint to 0 and still not get anywhere clsoe to our to our targets.

This is why I can't see the human race ever reversing climate change.

Basic principles of production. To produce an item you essentially have to generate energy/carbon as part of any production process.

Even using recycled resources requires energy.


We all like gadgets and consumerables. That won't stop.


Closest the human race came to implementing what is needed to drastically halt climate change was peak COVID global shut-down. We can't sustain that.


Trying is good, but I reckon we have gone past the tipping point, and future generations will just adapt.

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[1970crow]

This is why I can't see the human race ever reversing climate change.

Basic principles of production. To produce an item you essentially have to generate energy/carbon as part of any production process.

Even using recycled resources requires energy.


We all like gadgets and consumerables. That won't stop.

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Closest the human race came to implementing what is needed to drastically halt climate change was peak COVID global shut-down. We can't sustain that.


Trying is good, but I reckon we have gone past the tipping point, and future generations will just adapt.

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that simple reality is lost on most who refuse to do any more than anyone despite the strength of their beliefs. I seems not uncommon that they can do less because their rhetoric makes up for it. There was the news story about some activist lady that drove her landcruiser of a wet track. Why the big diesel? Well, we run a hobby farm with cattle, so we end a commercial type vehicle. Of course you do.

 

[Cap]

This is why I can't see the human race ever reversing climate change.

Basic principles of production. To produce an item you essentially have to generate energy/carbon as part of any production process.

Even using recycled resources requires energy.


We all like gadgets and consumerables. That won't stop.


Closest the human race came to implementing what is needed to drastically halt climate change was peak COVID global shut-down. We can't sustain that.


Trying is good, but I reckon we have gone past the tipping point, and future generations will just adapt.

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So we need climate change to target wealthy old white folk and we are net zero next year?

 

[Cap]

What: sensible?

I call it the Matt Canavan argument.

 

[1970crow]

I call it the Matt Canavan argument.

he sounds sensible. I presume your lifestyle is 100% carbon neutral and any spare $ are used to buy carbon credits.

 

[Cap]

he sounds sensible. I presume your lifestyle is 100% carbon neutral and any spare $ are used to buy carbon credits.

What's that got to do with anything ?

 

[Jinglebells32]

That may be right, but its like the old argument that Australia's contribution to climate change is so small compared to the rest of the world, whatever we do is negligible so let's do nothing. Technically correct but not tenable.

We are the third highest emitter per capita in the world.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

We are the third highest emitter per capita in the world.

Now try by land size

 

[Cap]

Now try by land size

Yes that pesky carbon intensive desert really skews the number

 

[FR0GGY]

Yes that pesky carbon intensive desert really skews the number

Well if agriculture is the biggest cause, sure it’s only fair?

 

[George Kramer]

We are the third highest emitter per capita in the world.

We just need more people

 

[George Kramer]

Anyway, any chance this can be taken elsewhere?

 

[1970crow]

What's that got to do with anything ?

which bit? Canavan bloke sounding reasonable or your hypocrisy?

 

[1970crow]

Yes that pesky carbon intensive desert really skews the number

i guess you don't understand much about cattle farming and/or it's impact on carbon emissions? Not surprising, the most alarmist are generally the least informed.

 

[BRL121]

We are the third highest emitter per capita in the world.

Irrelevant. The relevant equation is dependent only on the molecular number density. Political considerations don't get a guernsey.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Yes that pesky carbon intensive desert really skews the number

Let’s remove the desert and other uninhabitable land (mines, agricultural land) but also remove the emissions from those activities, and let’s see if Aussies are the environmental monsters that you make out.

 

[Scorpus]

I can only assume the Crows are directly responsible for global warming

 

[Apsaalooke]

This is why I can't see the human race ever reversing climate change.

Basic principles of production. To produce an item you essentially have to generate energy/carbon as part of any production process.

Even using recycled resources requires energy.


We all like gadgets and consumerables. That won't stop.


Closest the human race came to implementing what is needed to drastically halt climate change was peak COVID global shut-down. We can't sustain that.


Trying is good, but I reckon we have gone past the tipping point, and future generations will just adapt.

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Sadly I think you're right. 1st world countries will not give up their luxuries, and 3rd world countries will not give up their aspirations to be 1st world.
We'll have to rely on new technologies like hydrogen or nuclear fusion.

But to get back on track, I'm sure John Olsen can fix this too.

 

[WetCrow1991]

he sounds sensible. I presume your lifestyle is 100% carbon neutral and any spare $ are used to buy carbon credits.

Sensible for his brother.

 

[Cap]

That’s exactly what the emissions per population stat is

Sure. But why is it less accurate that your choice ?

 

[FR0GGY]

So less emissions by keeping sauce in the cupboard too.
Everyone should do their bit for the environment.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Sure. But why is it less accurate that your choice ?

Because science

 

[Cap]

Because science

because science what?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

because science what?

Because science one of the least densely populated countries in the world which uses that land to feed and power the world should not be subject to criticism for a biased and prejudiced “emissions per capita” stat.

Now someone remove these rubbish posts from the great JO thread.

 

[Cap]

Because science one of the least densely populated countries in the world which uses that land to feed and power the world should not be subject to criticism for a biased and prejudiced “emissions per capita” stat.

Now someone remove these rubbish posts from the great JO thread.

Sure.

But not science, your opinion