Society/Culture Why are young males now more right wing then older males?

[Ohitsthatguy]

Hard economic times brings out right wing grifters to take advantage of young males while they are impressionable.

These economic times are not left or right. It's just capitalism.

 

[CM86]

We don't need masculinity.

There is no positive attribute of masculinity that cannot also be applied to women/females.


Masculinity is a collection of positive traits, ascribed to being male. The downside being that in some cases it can harm young men who are not 'masculine', and will feel less valued when/if they cannot achieve these aspects of 'being a man'.
Setting yet another set of prerequisites for young men to achieve to feel validated.


We don't need masculinity to praise a person for showing traits like strength, courage, ambition, adventurous etc etc.
Praise them for the trait.

If you disagree, then what is a positive aspect of being masculine, that you can't also ascribe to being a woman/female?

embarrassing post..

I can understand how this can be a difficult concept, as people have been taught that masculinity is what makes you a man.
And that even suggesting that masculinity isn't important, can feel like an attack on being a man.
That's why I included this in my post, to try and help some people reflect on why they so strongly hold this belief.

If you disagree, then what is a positive aspect of being masculine, that you can't also ascribe to being a woman/female?

Just a reminder, I'm not attacking you, I'm not attacking people for being a man, I'm not attacking men.
I'm pointing out that being a man doesn't need a crutch from some made up concept that isn't required.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Alright, that's enough. carltonchelsea and smelly cat, kindly take it to PM (or, rather, don't). Subsequent similar chat will be deleted, and it will be escalated if it continues.

Yeah cool Geth, sorry, I’ll just ignore the smelly cat, more of a staffy man myself anyways!
But just to stay on topic, Muhammad wasn’t very fond of dogs, particularly black ones apparently.
A bit weird of an illiterate merchant warlord to be terrified of our humble hairy companions.
Edit-lol I thought this was the Islam thread?!

 

[kranky al]

Ah the truth is it's because young, white men are constantly told they're the issue and they're the problem.

Be intelligent and hard working and end up in a great field? you're privileged and rich.

Be mostly average and wanting an okay job for 80 grand a year? that's mostly going to go to diversity hires.

It's showing in dating now as well. for a good ten years there, it was pronounced offensive and borderline sex offender if you went up to a group of girls at the pub and started a chat. the idea of seeing a nice looking girl and asking for her number on the street was seen as a one way ticket to humiliation, belittlement.

Now women sit on apps on wonder why men don't approach them at bars or cafes... because men have been told it's a bad thing to do, and in their experience it generally ends in rude or humiliating rejection.

Growing up in an average household with the same or similar traumas to anyone else, dealing with the same feelings every human has, and putting in yards to get an okay job and then be told your opinion is too basic or outdated...

Young men don't want to be told they're the most amazing thing around, they don't think they are, but they don't want to be told some bloke from India is more worthwhile than him.

There’s some truth in the dating thing. But that’s a societal change. I speak to young blokes who would never ever consider hitting on a girl at work.

That’s not a bad thing.

They don’t approach girls in bars. They use apps. A girl is on a dating app because she is putting herself out there. If a guy swipes right and she likes him she can too.

Girls are welcome to go speak to a guy if they like him at a pub. There’s changes in society now as a result of women being unhappy at the predatory aspect of some men. Things will even out and find their own balance.

 

[peetoo]

Our organisational training told me employees get one shot at asking another employee out.
Preferably politely and with a similarly polite yay or nay.

After that. Outlawed.

 

[kranky al]

Our organisational training told me employees get one shot at asking another employee out.
Preferably politely and with a similarly polite yay or nay.

After that. Outlawed.

I just wouldn’t go there. Fraught with dangers.












See I’m married and she’d ****ing kill me.

 

[peetoo]

I just wouldn’t go there. Fraught with dangers



See I’m married and she’d ****ing kill me.

Fair enough, I am too but still required to do the online training. I had assumed no asking at all.

People at work can still remember the time if co workers married each other, the female had to resign

 

[errant bounce]

There’s some truth in the dating thing. But that’s a societal change. I speak to young blokes who would never ever consider hitting on a girl at work.

That’s not a bad thing.

They don’t approach girls in bars. They use apps. A girl is on a dating app because she is putting herself out there. If a guy swipes right and she likes him she can too.

Girls are welcome to go speak to a guy if they like him at a pub. There’s changes in society now as a result of women being unhappy at the predatory aspect of some men. Things will even out and find their own balance.

One of those things that self propels/fulfils.

I'd imagine dating a colleague is seen as quite taboo these days and wouldn't be looked at positively, which makes people just rule it out. even though it's probably one of the best ways to get to know someone. there isn't much better in this world then seeing someone for the first time and immediately being drawn to them, or even a few months in something just coming almost out of nowhere. you see a huge amount of behaviour that's related to connection: how they dress, how they cooperate and build relationships, their approach to stress, and those little mannerisms that create those real tugs of love. the natural progression of small talk, to finding similarities, to getting a drink, those are all proven pathways to finding someone compatible. it's the same with someone who might be on the periphery of a social circle, that girl who comes to the odd party or always seems to be leaving the pub just as you arrive.

A big part of the issue is the pushiness and entitlement plenty of men have but it seems even worse in guys born post-2000. I can imagine it does become pestering to a woman or it's a total 'we stayed on after work drinks and did something ****ing stupid' and it all explodes.

 

[sr36]

One of those things that self propels/fulfils.

I'd imagine dating a colleague is seen as quite taboo these days and wouldn't be looked at positively, which makes people just rule it out. even though it's probably one of the best ways to get to know someone. there isn't much better in this world then seeing someone for the first time and immediately being drawn to them, or even a few months in something just coming almost out of nowhere. you see a huge amount of behaviour that's related to connection: how they dress, how they cooperate and build relationships, their approach to stress, and those little mannerisms that create those real tugs of love. the natural progression of small talk, to finding similarities, to getting a drink, those are all proven pathways to finding someone compatible. it's the same with someone who might be on the periphery of a social circle, that girl who comes to the odd party or always seems to be leaving the pub just as you arrive.

A big part of the issue is the pushiness and entitlement plenty of men have but it seems even worse in guys born post-2000. I can imagine it does become pestering to a woman or it's a total 'we stayed on after work drinks and did something ****ing stupid' and it all explodes.

It's still common. A bit taboo when there's a hierarchical power imbalance though. Colleagues on the same level is fine, but hitting on someone in a professional situation isn't fine.

 

[kranky al]

Our organisational training told me employees get one shot at asking another employee out.
Preferably politely and with a similarly polite yay or nay.

After that. Outlawed.

life hack: That policy doesn’t mention at all how many dick pics you can send but!!

 

[RedStarUncle]

One of those things that self propels/fulfils.

I'd imagine dating a colleague is seen as quite taboo these days and wouldn't be looked at positively, which makes people just rule it out. even though it's probably one of the best ways to get to know someone. there isn't much better in this world then seeing someone for the first time and immediately being drawn to them, or even a few months in something just coming almost out of nowhere. you see a huge amount of behaviour that's related to connection: how they dress, how they cooperate and build relationships, their approach to stress, and those little mannerisms that create those real tugs of love. the natural progression of small talk, to finding similarities, to getting a drink, those are all proven pathways to finding someone compatible. it's the same with someone who might be on the periphery of a social circle, that girl who comes to the odd party or always seems to be leaving the pub just as you arrive.

A big part of the issue is the pushiness and entitlement plenty of men have but it seems even worse in guys born post-2000. I can imagine it does become pestering to a woman or it's a total 'we stayed on after work drinks and did something ****ing stupid' and it all explodes.

Bolded is the bit that matters to capitalists... we need to dedicate our lives to work. Therefore work is one of the few good avenues we've got to get to know someone to potentially date. If corporate rules move away from that, people will start wanting to spend less time working and more time socialising.

...we don't want that, and that possibly explains why capitalist libertarians are embedded with the anti-progress conservative movement that would just rather not have women working at all. Strange bedfellows as they say, but libertarians and conservatives always seem to find enough common ground on the end result to support each other. And now they both support fascism.

 

[Carringbush2010]

There’s some truth in the dating thing. But that’s a societal change. I speak to young blokes who would never ever consider hitting on a girl at work.

That’s not a bad thing.

Absolutely, it's evolution of the species, have become more refined.

As for hitting on girls at work, there are many relationships that happen at work, if the hit didn't happen then no relationship maybe

They don’t approach girls in bars. = not ok

Girls are welcome to go speak to a guy if they like him at a pub. = ok

The above two, this is in part a reason why young men feel alienated by society. Rule for thee but not for me.

There’s changes in society now as a result of women being unhappy at the predatory aspect of some men.

Completely understandable, the dating scene is now much much safer for women as a result.

However I could imagine some women, 'why don't men chat me up anymore?' - this is in part a reason, valid or not.

All of the above, if you put yourself in the shoes of a young male, it gives indicators why they're so pissed off, valid or not.

 

[kranky al]

Absolutely, it's evolution of the species, have become more refined.

As for hitting on girls at work, there are many relationships that happen at work, if the hit didn't happen then no relationship maybe



The above two, this is in part a reason why young men feel alienated by society. Rule for thee but not for me.

Completely understandable, the dating scene is now much much safer for women as a result.

However I could imagine some women, 'why don't men chat me up anymore?' - this is in part a reason, valid or not.

All of the above, if you put yourself in the shoes of a young male, it gives indicators why they're so pissed off, valid or not.

If I were a young male right now, I’d go out with my mates (male and female) and have a good time. Chase dates online and if girls wanted to talk to me at the pub I’d talk to them.

If things look like they could go further. Well ok twist my arm let’s see where this leads……



This isn’t rocket surgery.

It’s just a new paradigm.

 

[247Tigers]

Found this finding staggering. Usually young people are less conservative then older people (for numerous economic and cultural reasons). And this is still true of females. However, this poll asking australians whether they would support trump or not finds that not only do young men not support trump comfortably less then older men (as I would expect based on history), but they in fact support Trump more than older men. And quite comfortably. It appears gen z males are unusually right wing compared to older generations.

Why is this the case? Who/what is to blame for this? Is this a blip or the new norm?

Troubling split emerges in Australia over Trump

The gender divide in politics is a sleeper issue in Australia, with men and women — particularly young people — moving apart in profound and polarising ways, as opinions of the upcoming US election show.

www.abc.net.au

You could drive a train through the holes in this ABC article.

And I quote:

Women consistently score higher than men on agreeableness and related measures, such as tender-mindedness (Feingold, 1994; Costa et al., 2001).

End quote.


The inherent left wing ideology pushing postmodernism in universities and colleges worldwide is an agenda most likely to be taken up by young women due to their agreeableness.

Postmodernism is the philosophical descendant of communism and socialism, which attempted to explain humanity in a simplistic dialectic of proletariat and bourgeoisie, or oppressed and oppressor.

Postmodernism views the world through a lens that divides humans by sex, by sexual preference, and by race, as can be seen by feminism, queer theory/LGBT movement, and critical race theory, all of which are cast as a dialectic between oppressed and oppressor.

There is a lot more to this, but in short, Postmodernist philosophy does not reason, divides the world into smaller and smaller groups pitted against one another for ultimate social power, all while railing against the pillars of western society.

Far left and far right ideology thrives on fear. Centre left (liberal) and centre right (conservatism) are not extremist views. Anyone that calls either of these political spectrum’s extremist is ill-considered in their views.

What is an extremist view is to take the standard university/college propaganda and try to divide society to hate each other. By definition to be "compassionate" is not to think that your world view should be that of any others world view. That is a dictatorship by any definition.

If more young men wish to be conservative than I see that as a win for democracy. If more young women wish to be liberal, I see that as a win for democracy. If young men or women wish to block roads, engage in violence and do not want to contribute to society, then you are engaging in extremism. Hopefully with age and wisdom you quickly lose that perspective.

 

[Carringbush2010]

If I were a young male right now, I’d go out with my mates (male and female) and have a good time. Chase dates online and if girls wanted to talk to me at the pub I’d talk to them.

If things look like they could go further. Well ok twist my arm let’s see where this leads……



This isn’t rocket surgery.

It’s just a new paradigm.

Not disagreeing with you Kranky.

Thought my post was quite clear, young males may likely think you can't have ok some but not ok for others, might explain the angst among some young males.

'Why are young males now more right wing then older males?'

 

[peetoo]

If I were a young male right now, I’d go out with my mates (male and female) and have a good time. Chase dates online and if girls wanted to talk to me at the pub I’d talk to them.

If things look like they could go further. Well ok twist my arm let’s see where this leads……



This isn’t rocket surgery.

It’s just a new paradigm.

If your arm is twisted, not OK. Males get some protection from the law too

 

[smelly cat]

I think this business about young men being frustrated about work culture is over played.

These cultural shifts have been in place for a while. These young guys don't know any different. If anything, it would annoy older men who came from a time where work was the main social outlet.

Cultural staples like after work drinks are fading out. People have expanded their social circles digitally and find partners online.

Policies that discourage work place dating are not anti-men or anti-women. As a business owner I can tell you they are anti-bullshit. Industrial relations law can make all their heartache my problem and I do not want to deal with the emotional or legal fallout from their personal lives. Get laid elsewhere. We are here to generate income.

So it's no real loss to young men as they don't consider the workplace their best chance to meet women anyway. They've got apps that get straight to the point. And don't forget there are always hot single mums within your area. Or so I'm told.

 

[swingdog]

I think this business about young men being frustrated about work culture is over played.

These cultural shifts have been in place for a while. These young guys don't know any different. If anything, it would annoy older men who came from a time where work was the main social outlet.

Cultural staples like after work drinks are fading out. People have expanded their social circles digitally and find partners online.

Policies that discourage work place dating are not anti-men or anti-women. As a business owner I can tell you they are anti-bullshit. Industrial relations law can make all their heartache my problem and I do not want to deal with the emotional or legal fallout from their personal lives. Get laid elsewhere. We are here to generate income.

So it's no real loss to young men as they don't consider the workplace their best chance to meet women anyway. They've got apps that get straight to the point. And don't forget there are always hot single mums within your area. Or so I'm told.

Get on it. Apparently, they're just waiting for your call.

 

[kranky al]

If your arm is twisted, not OK. Males get some protection from the law too

Twist my arm is a common saying meaning I want to do it but I’m feigning being forced into it…..

 

[peetoo]

Twist my arm is a common saying meaning I want to do it but I’m feigning being forced into it…..

Yes I knew that

 

[kranky al]

Yes I knew that

Text is hard sometimes…

 

[peetoo]

life hack: That policy doesn’t mention at all how many dick pics you can send but!!

I think that was covered

 

[kranky al]

I think that was covered

Covering dick pics?

How are the Sheila’s to be aroused sufficiently to accept one’s unwanted advances when one’s dick pics are covered?

 

[errant bounce]

I think this business about young men being frustrated about work culture is over played.

These cultural shifts have been in place for a while. These young guys don't know any different. If anything, it would annoy older men who came from a time where work was the main social outlet.

Cultural staples like after work drinks are fading out. People have expanded their social circles digitally and find partners online.

Policies that discourage work place dating are not anti-men or anti-women. As a business owner I can tell you they are anti-bullshit. Industrial relations law can make all their heartache my problem and I do not want to deal with the emotional or legal fallout from their personal lives. Get laid elsewhere. We are here to generate income.

So it's no real loss to young men as they don't consider the workplace their best chance to meet women anyway. They've got apps that get straight to the point. And don't forget there are always hot single mums within your area. Or so I'm told.

But dating apps are falling rapidly in new users and engaged users, people realise the festering crock of shit they are and that most people are on there because they have no mates or they're promiscuous – this goes for both genders.

I think a main issue with workplace dating is most people can't just cop a break up and get on professionally, people go to worthless HR departments for the silliest of things. I can't imagine the destruction it'd cause if one loose unit drags a whole team down because they got dumped or whatever.

After work drinks dying out is a shame, though, but people take it way too far these days because it's so expensive going out that as soon as the company card is whipped out people ****ing whip it and neck 10 sweet whites in 90 minutes and end up embarrassing themselves. I've had great times having 2-3 pints.

 

[sr36]

I watched a Bee Gees documentary recently and thought of Joe Rogan and this thread.

The woke sux movement is really similar to the disco sux movement of the late 70s.

A Chicago DJ called Steve Dahl helped to whip people up into rebelling against Disco culture to favour the more traditional masculinity of rock, which didn't have the same connections with blacks and homosexuality. Lots of other conservative morality groups were rising at the same time.

"Reverend Jerry Falwell founded the Moral Majority, a conservative evangelical lobbying group. "White males, eighteen to thirty-four are the most likely to see disco as the product of homosexuals, blacks, and Latins," Marsh wrote, "and therefore they're the most likely to respond to appeals to wipe out such threats to their security."

The riot that 'killed' disco

A new Netflix documentary tells the story of the Chicago White Sox owners whose notorious "disco demolition" stunt was blamed for toppling an entire music genre, writes Dorian Lynskey.

www.bbc.com