Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Cyclops]

Ha!!

thought so.

You arent a dirty birder imposter!

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

Amusing seeing Fudger trying to compare Saad with Quaynor... Mind you, this is with two games Saad was subbed out of with injury too so his averages would be even farther ahead of Quaynor lmao. It's not even close.

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Quaynor in Collingwood’s premiership year was outstanding.

Don’t think Saad has produced a season to that standard before.

IQ has just turned turned 25 only a few days ago, hasn’t hit his peak.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Quaynor in Collingwood’s premiership year was outstanding.

Don’t think Saad has produced a season to that standard before.

IQ has just turned turned 25 only a few days ago, hasn’t hit his peak.

Saad was AA in 2022 lmao?

But lets look at their years...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Hell... Even Saads 2023 which wasn't as good as his 2022 was statistically ahead of Quaynors lmao

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

Saad was AA in 2022 lmao?

But lets look at their years...

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Saad at the peak of his powers/prime of his career.

 

[HeathySure]

Saad was AA in 2022 lmao?

But lets look at their years...

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More garbage analysis. Qaynor does roles like playing on Jeremy Cameron and did really well last year despite his foot problems and being 8 inches shorter.
Saad likes to get the ball and kick it sideways to the boundary line like every Blues player

 

[carlton_99]

Amusing seeing Fudger trying to compare Saad with Quaynor... Mind you, this is with two games Saad was subbed out of with injury too so his averages would be even farther ahead of Quaynor lmao. It's not even close.

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Probably using totals rather than averages again

 

[Fadge]

Amusing seeing Fudger trying to compare Saad with Quaynor... Mind you, this is with two games Saad was subbed out of with injury too so his averages would be even farther ahead of Quaynor lmao. It's not even close.

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Yeah, I like my defenders to actually be able to... defend.

Where is that metric on your stats sheet?

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

Hell... Even Saads 2023 which wasn't as good as his 2022 was statistically ahead of Quaynors lmao

Which Pies players would get a game in Carlton’s 23?

 

[carlton_99]

Yeah, I like my defenders to actually be able to... defend.

Where is that metric on your stats sheet?

Lol what are you talking about - Saad is a great defender. His closing speed is probably the best in the AFL and makes him very hard to beat even if caught out of position and he often takes a dangerous opposition small forward. If anything he's become too defensive and we should unleash him more going forward

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yeah, I like my defenders to actually be able to... defend.

Where is that metric on your stats sheet?

Not a lot in it over the last 3 years Fadge. When you consider that, and then how far behind Quaynor is offensively in that same time period it's pretty laughable to make the argument he'd be selected ahead of Saad in a combined team.


Saad left vs Quaynor right

2024

One on one loss % - 42.9 vs 13.6
Spoils - 1.4 vs 1.2
Tackles - 2.2 vs 2.4
Intercepts - 5.8 vs 4.3
Intercept Marks - 1.1 vs 1.0
One Percenters - 1.9 vs 1.7

2023

One on one loss % - 17.4 vs 16.7
Spoils - 2.0 vs 1.8
Tackles - 1.9 vs 2.6
Intercepts - 7.1 vs 6.9
Intercept Marks - 1.5 vs 2.5
One Percenters - 2.8 vs 2.5


2022

One on one loss % - 14.3 vs 26.2
Spoils - 1.7 vs 2.5
Tackles - 2.2 vs 2.9
Intercepts - 7.5 vs 6.2
Intercept Marks - 1.8 vs 2.5
One Percenters - 2.8 vs 3.1

3 year average

One on one loss% - 24.86 vs 18.83
Spoils - 1.7 vs 1.83
Tackles - 2.1 vs 2.5
Intercepts - 6.8 vs 5.8
Intercept Marks - 1.46 vs 2.0
One percenters - 2.5 vs 2.43

 

[carlton_99]

Not a lot in it over the last 3 years Fadge. Especially when you consider how far behind Quaynor is offensively in that same time period.

2024

One on one loss % - 42.9 vs 13.6
Spoils - 1.4 vs 1.2
Tackles - 2.2 vs 2.4
Intercepts - 5.8 vs 4.3
Intercept Marks - 1.1 vs 1.0
One Percenters - 1.9 vs 1.7

2023

One on one loss % - 17.4 vs 16.7
Spoils - 2.0 vs 1.8
Tackles - 1.9 vs 2.6
Intercepts - 7.1 vs 6.9
Intercept Marks - 1.5 vs 2.5
One Percenters - 2.8 vs 2.5


2022

One on one loss % - 14.3 vs 26.2
Spoils - 1.7 vs 2.5
Tackles - 2.2 vs 2.9
Intercepts - 7.5 vs 6.2
Intercept Marks - 1.8 vs 2.5
One Percenters - 2.8 vs 3.1

3 year average

One on one loss% - 24.86 vs 18.83
Spoils - 1.7 vs 1.83
Tackles - 2.1 vs 2.5
Intercepts - 6.8 vs 5.8
Intercept Marks - 1.46 vs 2.0
One percenters - 2.5 vs 2.43

It should be noted in 2024 he was only in 7 one on one contests all year so not much of a sample for %s to be useful

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Which Pies players would get a game in Carlton’s 23?

Plenty, I posted this list in a combined 22. Maynard, Moore, Houston, Daicos x2, Hill, Elliot, Cameron, Crisp and Schultz would certainly get a game. If Newman wasn't injured he'd come in for someone.

FB: Maynard Weitering McGovern
HB: Saad Moore Houston
C: J.Daicos Cripps Acres
HF: DeGoey Mckay E.Hollands
FF: Hill Curnow Elliot
R: DeKoning N.Daicos Walsh

I/C: Cameron Cerra Crisp Schultz

Sub: Pendlebury

Some contentious ones:

McGovern vs Howe - 50/50 call but Howe is 4 years older and in decline, McGovern provides more offensively these days.




Saad vs Quaynor - Not really a contest with Saad ahead in just about every measure. Stats were posted above.

Acres vs Sidebottom - Again, Acres pretty well wins out in every measure these days with Sidebottom on the slide.



E.Hollands vs Lipinski - Very close statistically, but Hollands nudges Lipinski in most of the key offensive metrics.



Cerra vs Perryman - Bit hard to compare given they play different positions, but gone for the extra midfielder. Crisp, J.Daicos and N.Daicos can go behind the ball if needed and Cerra a far more proven midfielder than Perryman.



Hewett vs Pendlebury - Hewett the stronger on baller these days and better defensively, but Pendlebury is more flexible and provides better ball use by foot.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It should be noted in 2024 he was only in 7 one on one contests all year so not much of a sample for %s to be useful

Indeed. Either way, the gap offensively is so large a slight difference in defensive ability wouldn't really make a difference.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Tell ya what carlton_99 Arr0w

The Pies muppets have gone awfully quite after being hit with some stats. Perhaps they've realised their old codgers aren't as good as they think anymore.

 

[carlton_99]

Tell ya what carlton_99 Arr0w

The Pies muppets have gone awfully quite after being hit with some stats. Perhaps they've realised their old codgers aren't as good as they think anymore.

They can rate their players however they want but coming up with stuff like Saad can't defend is bizarre. Especially if this is supposed to be a serious attempt at footy analysis