Prediction Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Hawthorn

[WalshistheGOAT]

All banter today aside

Feel for the bloke

Indeed. Hope nothing serious to any of the Hawks in the lead in to the season.

Could be career over for old Noodles too.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

They're guessing. Going for scans Monday. Could be half season. That position can be covered anyway.
If it was DeKoning I'd be more worried

Club just released it, out for season confirmed.

Be interesting to see who takes his spot

 

[Worm4]

Club just released it, out for season confirmed.

Be interesting to see who takes his spot

Ollie more than likely

 

[Mr Meow]

Club just released it, out for season confirmed.

Be interesting to see who takes his spot

Would they move Williams back?

The loss of Newman is a big blow. Rebounding back flankers are crucial in the modern game.

 

[carlton_99]

Would they move Williams back?

The loss of Newman is a big blow. Rebounding back flankers are crucial in the modern game.

This should be the absolute last resort imo. O.Hollands played as a HB to finish the year and is training their in the pre-season so seems like the logical replacement. We also have some other HBs in line for more game time/bigger role. Issue is obviously no one is going to be able to play that role Newman was to his level. Back to back finishes in our BnF says it all. Just rotten luck again

 

[JustaBattler]

Weitering, Saad, Newman & McGovern(when fit) were really the only 'lock' as starting players

Cowan, Boyd, have had a lot of AFL experience and Cowan as has Docherty ( Cincotta is already our for 6 months)

O Hollands has been training in the backline and has played a couple of AFL games there.

So the replacement options are : Boyd, Cowan, Docherty, O Hollands added to Silvagini ( training as a defender ) , Kemp ( now training as a forward) Haynes ( from GWS) -: youngsters developing are: Wilson, Binns, Camporeles, and of course Smith - along with Lord - also M Carroll who has been tialling after being delisted - because he was injured fo rhis first two rookie years- but pparently is flying in pre-season.

Newman's brains will be missed along with his mongrel - that is the real loss- has finisjhed top3 in BNF for the ast 2 years.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Would they move Williams back?

The loss of Newman is a big blow. Rebounding back flankers are crucial in the modern game.

Personally Id actually like to see Elijah Hollands moved back there instead of his brother, think he's the best kick in the team by a considerable margin and reads the play well in terms of intercepting from the little game time we saw down back.

But I think they'll move Docherty or Ollie Hollands back and hope Boyd, Cowan, Saad and McGovern will be able to make up the rest of the difference to start with.

We also have a very promising kid, Billy Wilson, who's yet to debut but could be an option. Plays a lot like Bailey Dale with good leg speed and a real low piercing kick... but he's built like a toothpick right now so may be too much of a liability defensively to cover Newman. Even in VFL it's quite noticable so I can't imagine he'd be able to hide at AFL level regardless of if his offensive game translated.

I think Williams stays forward all season barring a complete disaster down back.

 

[matey]

Fans feel like crap every time one of their player goes down to an injury but sometimes a player is found ….. the player that steps in rises to the occasion given the opportunity presented. It can sometimes make the coaches do something they wouldn’t have! Anyway good luck to Newman as I do like the way he goes about his footy

 

[hawkman]

Which one are you taking... left or right?View attachment 2205800

Left but I don't rate Blanck as high as other Hawthorn supporters anyway.

Probably more important is that your phone needs charging

 

[Blackhawk42]

Recency bias.

Newcombe had a decent year in 2024.

Walsh started late and played 4 less games underdone.

If both were at their best Walsh is the more dangerous user IMO.

I have zero issue with anyone holding the opinion that Walsh is better than Newcombe.

However, using 'more dangerous user' as the reasoning is an interesting one, considering Newcombe has a higher disposal efficiency, averages more clearances, more metres gained and a lot LESS turnovers when comparing both men's careers.

 

[Fadge]

I have zero issue with anyone holding the opinion that Walsh is better than Newcombe.

However, using 'more dangerous user' as the reasoning is an interesting one, considering Newcombe has a higher disposal efficiency, averages more clearances, more metres gained and a lot LESS turnovers when comparing both men's careers.

Yep, that was definitely an interesting opinion....

I LOL'd

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

I have zero issue with anyone holding the opinion that Walsh is better than Newcombe.

However, using 'more dangerous user' as the reasoning is an interesting one, considering Newcombe has a higher disposal efficiency, averages more clearances, more metres gained and a lot LESS turnovers when comparing both men's careers.

Walsh is an absolute butcher of the ball...but boy can he find it.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Understand the scepticism but Fog provides the pressure and tenacity that allows the big boys to play their game. He is a very hard worker, invaluable for team chemistry.

Pitto is definitely hit and miss but he's our only back up ruckman and when he turns it on he can be a brute.

Ive openly acknowledged on BF that we need serious improvement across the board.

Just not that good. Solid, nothing better.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Newcombe is the main inside midfielder when you look at the numbers - he was #1 for clearances and #1 for contested possessions at Hawthorn. It's not a slight on him it's just a different role to the one being played by Walsh for Carlton.

Mitchell had a great year in 2018 and deserved the Brownlow but I stand by my point that he was a stat padder for a lot of his time there. Running behind players to get a handball and then kicking it 15m sideways etc. Walsh over his career has been imo a far better runner and two-way mid than Mitchell over his own career. Not talking about a single year but overall.

You have presented your opinion on Newcombe/Walsh and that's fine. Not everyone has to agree and that's fine. And talking about growth left doesn't make much sense when both players would be expected to improve being young players. To say Newcombe has all this growth left and ignore Walsh's growth in his game makes very little sense.

You made the point that Walsh is a quality contested ball winner despite not being number one in that role but Newcombe is the number one role because he’s number one in stats? It goes both ways in that he isn’t because that’s not the setup.

I agree overall, point was 2018.

I feel Newcombe does purely from the way he plays, my view is his ceiling is higher in being a different player which makes it harder to stop than a purely dominant inside midfielder.

 

[threesixpio]

Carlton posters - “we have way better depth”

Hawthorn posters - “we smashed you last year”

Carlton posters - “yeah but we had injuries”…

 

[threesixpio]

Important question - do people rate Vossy better than Sammy?

 

[matey]

Important question - do people rate Vossy better than Sammy?

Surely the Hawks have at least one thing better than the Blues!

 

[Worm4]

Surely the Hawks have at least one thing better than the Blues!

Your prez would be better whoever that may be

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Carlton posters - “we have way better depth”

Hawthorn posters - “we smashed you last year”

Carlton posters - “yeah but we had injuries”…

Hawthorn Posters - We have Mackenzie and Ward as depth. That's better than our 3-peat team had

Every other poster on here -

 

[carlton_99]

Carlton posters - “we have way better depth”

Hawthorn posters - “we smashed you last year”

Carlton posters - “yeah but we had injuries”…

Not sure how depth can help when you cop 5 injuries during the game. Are we allowed 6 subs or something?

 

[JustaBattler]

Important question - do people rate Vossy better than Sammy?

Anyone that can give Clarko the old "yea pizz orf now ya interlopper" - cant be all bad.

 

[matey]

Hawthorn Posters - We have Mackenzie and Ward as depth. That's better than our 3-peat team had

Every other poster on here -

Simpson, Hartung, Litherland, Langford, Spangler, Ceglar ….. these were the depth players during the three peat period.

I think Frenchie, Ward, Finn, Frost, Reeves, CJ as a collective group today is better depth so not sure what you find so funny. I think that many on here just don’t have a clue of what they are talking about when it comes to the Hawks!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Simpson, Hartung, Litherland, Langford, Spangler, Ceglar ….. these were the depth players during the three peat period.

I think Frenchie, Ward, Finn, Frost, Reeves, CJ as a collective group today is better depth so not sure what you find so funny. I think that many on here just don’t have a clue of what they are talking about when it comes to the Hawks!

How many of the Hawks current list do you think would get a game in their 2013-15 sides?

 

[matey]

How many of the Hawks current list do you think would get a game in their 2013-15 sides?

Seriously complete waste of time and iCloud space. You were laughing and mocking the current Hawks depth compared to the depth it had during its three peat. I provided you with a response including two groups of players. You ignored it ……. and now respond with a totally new question/scenario????? Deflection!

And then your new question ….. you seem to love comparing apples to oranges. The three peat side and it’s players was the result of an era, a decade under Clarko comparing it to an era/team/players that have just started under Sam. You don’t know the ceiling of Newk, Wiz, Weddle, Dear, Croc, Frenchie, Ward etc. They are all far from the finished product!

But I have an answer to your newest question …… Bruest and Gunston would have easily got a gig in the three peat side. What do you reckon?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Seriously complete waste of time and iCloud space. You were laughing and mocking the current Hawks depth compared to the depth it had during its three peat. I provided you with a response including two groups of players. You ignored it ……. and now respond with a totally new question/scenario????? Deflection!

And then your new question ….. you seem to love comparing apples to oranges. The three peat side and it’s players was the result of an era, a decade under Clarko comparing it to an era/team/players that have just started under Sam. You don’t know the ceiling of Newk, Wiz, Weddle, Dear, Croc, Frenchie, Ward etc. They are all far from the finished product!

But I have an answer to your newest question …… Bruest and Gunston would have easily got a gig in the three peat side. What do you reckon?

Wiz, Croc and Frenchie... God I'm glad Tik Tok just got put in the bin over the in the USA.