Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood?

[Wosh]

Mainly here so we can enjoy the LOLs afterwards at the end of 2023, but also an interesting discussion point.

I’m in genuine two minds and can’t call it, but who do you see finishing higher in 2023?

Who is positioned better from a list/team perspective?

Let the games begin…

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[Irish BlueBagger]

I just think with closer to a full compliment of players, you'll see a different Carlton.

So do keep on laughing Pies fans and your new found partners in bromance Cats fans.

There's not even nine rounds of footy played yet. He or she who laughs last laughs loudest after all.

The stones that have been thrown at us have been duly collected!

 

[beerbandit]

I just think with closer to a full compliment of players, you'll see a different Carlton.

So do keep on laughing Pies fans and your new partners in bromance Cats fans.

There's not even nine rounds of footy played yet. He or she who laughs last laughs loudest after all.

The stones that have been thrown at us have been duly collected!

We only threw the stones back at you that were thrown at us earlier in the year.

You can keep those stones too please.

 

[Yoda_]

We have been a top two tackling team this year in the comp and first for tackles i50. So hopefully this is just an outlier

how? the Blues small forwards look insipid and very uninspiring

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

We only threw the stones back at you that were thrown at us earlier in the year.

You can keep those stones too please.

It's funny i asked a few weeks ago could anyone name a worse flag winner over the last fifty years than Collingwood 2023?

All these weeks later and my question remains unanswered! That's kind of says it all i think.

 

[carlton_99]

how? the Blues small forwards look insipid and very uninspiring

Fogarty, Cuningham and Durdin are all in the top 10 in the comp in F50 tackles amongst players that have played >1 game. McKay is also very strong in that area despite being 200cm+. So far this year Carlton have averaged 15.6 tackles i50 - next best is Port with 13.8.

But you are right the likes of Durdin/Owies/Fantasia have not done enough but they wouldn't be in the team if it wasn't for extended injuries to Motlop, Martin and Fogarty. That's why I say those names might not sound like significant outs to oppo supporters but when they are all out like that it leaves you playing your 4th, 5th and 6th smalls instead and there is a drop off in overall team performance.

 

[nahnah]

It's funny i asked a few weeks ago could anyone name a worse flag winner over the last fifty years than Collingwood 2023?

All these weeks later and my question remains unanswered! That's kind of says it all i think.

There are too many to respond with to be fair, 3 recents off top of my head Bulldogs 2016, Richmond 2017, West Coast 2018

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

There are too many to respond with to be fair, 3 recents off top of my head Bulldogs 2016, Richmond 2017, West Coast 2018

Richmond 2017 was part of a dynasty of success though.

 

[nahnah]

Richmond 2017 was part of a dynasty of success though.

They got Lynch for free which helped that after 2018 season

 

[Yoda_]

Fogarty, Cuningham and Durdin are all in the top 10 in the comp in F50 tackles amongst players that have played >1 game. McKay is also very strong in that area despite being 200cm+. So far this year Carlton have averaged 15.6 tackles i50 - next best is Port with 13.8.

But you are right the likes of Durdin/Owies/Fantasia have not done enough but they wouldn't be in the team if it wasn't for extended injuries to Motlop, Martin and Fogarty. That's why I say those names might not sound like significant outs to oppo supporters but when they are all out like that it leaves you playing your 4th, 5th and 6th smalls instead and there is a drop off in overall team performance.

how many goals have those smalls kicked out of curiosity?

 

[carlton_99]

how many goals have those smalls kicked out of curiosity?

Matt Owies - 11 goals (in 8 games)
Corey Durdin - 5 goals (in 7 games)
Orazio Fantasia - 2 goals (in 7 games)

 

[BringFevBack2021]

There are too many to respond with to be fair, 3 recents off top of my head Bulldogs 2016, Richmond 2017, West Coast 2018

Defo not the worst premiership winning side but Richmond 2017 and WCE 2018 were actually very good sides

I actually think the Pies of last year were decent too (as far as premiership winning sides go)

Just because they found a unique game style and executed it well without star power on every line doesn’t mean they were a bad premiership side

 

[doppleganger]

It's funny i asked a few weeks ago could anyone name a worse flag winner over the last fifty years than Collingwood 2023?

All these weeks later and my question remains unanswered! That's kind of says it all i think.

A team that had the minor premiership locked down a month out and then didnt lose a final isnt a weak premier.

Richmond 2020 who finished 3rd, lost their QF and then lucked out to get Port in Adelaide on the way to the GF is a weak premier.

 

[nahnah]

Defo not the worst premiership winning side but Richmond 2017 and WCE 2018 were actually very good sides

I actually think the Pies of last year were decent too (as far as premiership winning sides go)

Just because they found a unique game style and executed it well without star power on every line doesn’t mean they were a bad premiership side

I was basing it off total wins during season, ladder position and % as thats really the only way you can judge it without personal bias coming into play

 

[Arr0w]

A team that had the minor premiership locked down a month out and then didnt lose a final isnt a weak premier.

Richmond 2020 who finished 3rd, lost their QF and then lucked out to get Port in Adelaide on the way to the GF is a weak premier.

I really enjoy Pie supporters talking down the Tigers winning 3 flags in 4 years

 

[Chief]

how? the Blues small forwards look insipid and very uninspiring

You could probably watch the games this year to find out "how".

 

[Mr Meow]

I really enjoy Pie supporters talking down the Tigers winning 3 flags in 4 years

Never vicariously live through Tigers supporters. You're not their pets.

 

[Magpie Since 1986]

I think that was Collingwood grand final to tell you the truth!

Congratulations for making the dumbest comment in the thread . This was a regulation win for us under Macrae.

Usually that kind of s**t posting is reserved for diminishing teams who have achieved nothing , never seen it levelled at the reigning premiers before.

 

[Arr0w]

Never vicariously live through Tigers supporters. You're not their pets.

No one's pet, I can share my thoughts honestly, even against my enemies

 

[mike ross]

And you did it without DeGoey, add 2-3 goals with Jordan playing.

Don't forget carlton did have fantasia on the ground, they were one less because of that.

 

[jakson68]

Thought the Shultz one was worse tbh - hitting someone in their head with their back turned could have turned ugly

Shultz should get a week for stupidity

 

[carlton_99]

Shultz should get a week for stupidity

AFL only worry about outcome and not action so he will probably be fine but then again it is Michael Christian - lotto numbers are more predictable

 

[31550]

It's funny i asked a few weeks ago could anyone name a worse flag winner over the last fifty years than Collingwood 2023?

All these weeks later and my question remains unanswered! That's kind of says it all i think.

Probably because nobody took the question seriously.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I discovered nothing i didn't already know about Collingwood mate.

Worst flag winning team of the last fifty years. I very much stand by that assessment.

 

[Captivating]

Nothing in that to suggest he should be suspended

Unless Hamish Brayshaw is anointed MRO. Then Bruz will be suspended for 11 weeks.

 

[BM123]

There are too many to respond with to be fair, 3 recents off top of my head Bulldogs 2016, Richmond 2017, West Coast 2018

I feel like Bulldogs 2016 were a tier below the other two.