What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4

[seaweed]

Worth a chuckle, this week's instalment of Purple's Sliding Doors ....

IF ...​

Bevo is well within his rights to go public with his frustrations on how holding-the-ball decisions are being adjudicated – "No one understands the rule anymore, and it's very difficult to coach it," he said on Thursday ...

THEN ...​

John Longmire will remind him that he and his Bulldogs were major beneficiaries of how that matter, and other matters, was umpired in the 2016 Grand Final.

Probably better to ask at this point how often Purple DOESN’T have a crack at the Dogs in any medium

 

[seaweed]

Ofcourse Kane had a go at Lobb for his hair. Ofcourse. “You’d wanna get a kick with a head like that” are you missing he’s probably the AA centre half back?

I wonder if Watson or Ginnivan did that how he’d feel? Ofcouse he’d love it.

Kane would be so much fun at parties.

He’d be the absolute fun police as a dad, too.

 

[Dogs Rule]

… how that matter, and other matters, was …

The “was” agrees with “that matter”.

Anyway, so it was holding the ball in the 2016 GF that was the problem? I never knew that. I thought it was just our general cheating all over the ground with the umpires’ collusion

Fair point. I would hate for us all to have to rewatch the GF again and count all the supposedly dodgy HTB calls. That would be an awful way to spend a few hours...

 

[TiAn_]

Such an awkward way to work a crack into commenting on what Bev said. I don’t even think holding the ball is one of the things that loser club cried about. And he’s gone to the well on 2016 a couple times this year already. And GF cuck Longmire isn’t even coaching those bums any more. His legacy is riding COLA to a flag and then him and his team pissing all over themselves on the biggest stages. And he agrees with Bev anyway?

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Such an awkward way to work a crack into commenting on what Bev said. I don’t even think holding the ball is one of the things that loser club cried about. And he’s gone to the well on 2016 a couple times this year already. And GF cuck Longmire isn’t even coaching those bums any more. His legacy is riding COLA to a flag and then him and his team pissing all over themselves on the biggest stages. And he agrees with Bev anyway?

Let's get straight a team that won by 20 odd points only won because of the umpires. If it had been close maybe they a case for bad umpiring but give me a break we won easily in the finish and Bobby Skilton could have umpired that game and we would have still won.

 

[Unorth]

Contrarian villains (Cornes, Barrett) are part of the media landscape for any sport…

If we truly wanted them to disappear it would take a collective effort to ignore them and their opinions.

They also know that historically if you poke Bevo enough he might engage and provide more content for the mill.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Contrarian villains (Cornes, Barrett) are part of the media landscape for any sport…

If we truly wanted them to disappear it would take a collective effort to ignore them and their opinions.

They also know that historically if you poke Bevo enough he might engage and provide more content for the mill.

They are fine, you just need more people going back at them. Dale Thomas is great for this.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Contrarian villains (Cornes, Barrett) are part of the media landscape for any sport…

If we truly wanted them to disappear it would take a collective effort to ignore them and their opinions.

They also know that historically if you poke Bevo enough he might engage and provide more content for the mill.

True, but whereas Korn does it just for the clicks, the other flog thinks he's some sort of credible journalist so when he's rehashing some baseless conspiracy from a match played almost a decade ago because of his personal beef with a coach it just makes him look like a moron.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Probably similar to other articles on the subject:

BEVERIDGE SAYS NO ONE ‘GETS’ TACKLE RULE

BEVERIDGE SAYS NO ONE ‘GETS’ TACKLE RULE

todayspaper.theaustralian.com.au

 

[Angak]

Collingwood and Carlton complaining about playing opening round made me chuckle a little bit....

 

[The White Mouse]

Collingwood and Carlton complaining about playing opening round made me chuckle a little bit....

I like the selective alphabetical ordering in that list. Western Bulldogs being the only club listed not with their full handle allowing Melbourne to appear at the bottom of the list to amplify their shafting.

Some of us (the ones that wouldn't vote for Trump if they hypothetically lived in the US) notice these things.

 

[dergert]

They're just trying to goad Bevo for a public response from him because he has a history of being unhinged.

 

[dogwatch]

I like the selective alphabetical ordering in that list. Western Bulldogs being the only club listed not with their full handle allowing Melbourne to appear at the bottom of the list to amplify their shafting.

Some of us (the ones that wouldn't vote for Trump if they hypothetically lived in the US) notice these things.

Might be time to chill out over a beer, Mouse.

 

[The White Mouse]

Might be time to chill out over a beer, Mouse.
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There are times to chill ... and times not to chill. However, if I were to chill, and Old Man Yells at Cloud tasted anything like delicious and moresome Asahi Super Dry, then I'd be chilling to excess.

It's worth a try just for the name alone

Imbibe responsibly

 

[The White Mouse]

Might be time to chill out over a beer, Mouse.
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But it's interesting, don't you think? I'm of a generation (and you of a generation well b4 mine) where these things mattered.

Understanding language and exceptions to language enables you to assess whether or not you're being manipulated.

In this case, the author is clearly a Dee's supporter so they're going to make the case that they have been very hard done by in comparison to other clubs. And it's a fair case.

However, just to accentuate that a bit, they're going to circumvent the established alphabetical norm and make an exception by listing us as Bulldogs  promoting the Dees to the bottom of the list and in a presentation and visual sense the hardest done by.

It's subtle but it's there.

Awareness. That's all I ask.

 

[Dogs 13]

But it's interesting, don't you think? I'm of a generation (and you of a generation well b4 mine) where these things mattered.

Understanding language and exceptions to language enables you to assess whether or not you're being manipulated.

In this case, the author is clearly a Dee's supporter so they're going to make the case that they have been very hard done by in comparison to other clubs. And it's a fair case.

However, just to accentuate that a bit, they're going to circumvent the established alphabetical norm and make an exception by listing us as Bulldogs  promoting the Dees to the bottom of the list and in a presentation and visual sense the hardest done by.

It's subtle but it's there.

Awareness. That's all I ask.

Footscray comes before Melbourne so it’s correct

 

[Iamspock]

I never realised Morris is sub-170cm.

He is just sub. Period.

 

[Iamspock]

They are fine, you just need more people going back at them. Dale Thomas is great for this.

Adam Simpson also seems to be a refreshing addition, and already pushing back.

 

[dogwatch]

But it's interesting, don't you think? I'm of a generation (and you of a generation well b4 mine) where these things mattered.

...

Awareness. That's all I ask.

Hamstring awareness? Calf awareness?

Right now it's thirst awareness.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Hamstring awareness? Calf awareness?

Right now it's thirst awareness.

We all have hydration goals these days...don't we?

 

[The White Mouse]

We all have hydration goals these days...don't we?

I've exceeded my goals this week and there still 2 days to go. I'm a winner.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Dees are playing like they want a new coach.

 

[lachy]

Dees are playing like they want a new coach.

Think it is much deeper than that

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[H Dolphin]

Again, no comment on the case, but you wonder what would've happened had this case been brought in the mid 90s or early 2000s when we didn't have two cents to our name. Probably would've bankrupted the club.

Good luck to Adam, i wish him all the best and hope he can come to some peace now after the travesty he was subjected to.

What I do find very odd is the level of punitive damages awarded. This is a community sports club that literally relied on volunteers to keep the place afloat. We didn’t have hot water in the change rooms, let alone a f*cking HR department to do psych tests on every tin-rattler that walked through the door.

As much as the Dogs completely botched things once we knew (or should have known what occurred) at the time we had absolutely no idea what was going on at the time. Somehow the court has found that for our role here we should be forced to pay significantly higher damages than the some private and government organisations, and institutions like the Catholic Church have ever been subjected to. The Church were fully aware of abuse, and not only turned a blind eye, actively moved known offenders to different parishes hide them, but in doing so opening up new menu’s of victims.

It just doesn’t to add up.

In 2023 the Supreme Court of Victoria awarded $3.3 mil against the Catholic Church for the offending of a pedophile priest. The Court of Appeal effectively reduced Kneale's award back to that standard, which might explain why the High Court refused the Club Special Leave. You'll find that since 2018, following enactment of the Legal Identity of Defendants (Organisational Child Abuse) Act, until Kneale, just about all litigation for damages, in Victoria, has been against churches, particularly the Catholic Church, the most active, because they have assets to satisfy multi mil dollar judgments, unlike the local scoutmaster or local wierdo. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, why should an asset and income rich organisation like a professional sporting club be any less responsible for the actions of those who work for it and its objects than a Church ?

 

[H Dolphin]

Victims won't sue an impecunious organisation (like say the local amateur hockey club). If they didn't already know it themselves their lawyers will tell them they will never get any money out of such a club. It's just bad luck for those people.
The same would be true of the FFC if it was still getting by from year to year on tin rattling and fundraising BBQs. But that is no longer the case. We are a well run and prosperous outfit with pretty good assets.

Lawyers will only encourage their clients to sue if they think (a) there is a reasonable chance of winning the case and (b) if the defendant has enough assets or creditworthiness to make a large payout. This case ticks both boxes. It probably wouldn't have ticked the second box 30 years ago.

Typically the amount awarded doesn't send the defendant to the wall. However if we find there are a handful of subsequent successful complainants using this payout as the benchmark then it could be touch and go for us. My guess is we'd find a way to survive but we could be struggling for a decade or two.

As for the Church, they have a lot more money than the sum of all the football codes in Australia (quite possibly the world) put together. They can afford the best lawyers in the land and they are very well connected in the corridors of power. So they usually find a way to slip out of these things, or to pay smallish amounts. That might salve their consciences a little and it might help them believe they aren't going to hell after all.

Paras 1- 3, spot on

In 1836 the Colony of New South Wales, subsequently applied in the Colony of Victoria, enacted the Church Act the effect of which was to enable governments to assist Churches to acquire land for churches, schools, hospitals etc and and sustain priests/pastors in a remote and under populated group of colonies. That was in the understanding of the impact of churches in community building. From late 19th Century churches relied upon their parishioners for support of their priests/pastors and continued construction of schools, hospitals etc., in the case of the Catholic Church, the poorest segments. It established parallel education and health sectors. Asset rich, income not-so-rich, its declining numbers of clergy depend upon declining numbers of churchgoers for support. Assets are working capital used for charitable purposes. It's the churchgoing minority which ends up paying Court orders.