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From the heraldsun.com.au (22/102021) - so it must be true.......

"Grant Thomas looms as the pressure mounts on Simon Lethlean, Matt Finnis and Andrew Bassat

Grant Thomas might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but the former St Kilda coach has dominated in the business world and is closely watching proceedings at Moorabbin.

Since his shock sacking as St Kilda coach at the hands of an unhinged club boss in 2006, Grant Thomas has built and sold a series of businesses for more than $150 million.

But for all his success in his decade and a half away from Moorabbin, Thomas has never wavered from his passion to see his beloved Saints taste the ultimate success.

They came close under his coaching in 2004 and 2005, and even closer under the man who inherited his team, Ross Lyon, in 2009 and 2010, but across the last 10 seasons St Kilda has reverted to normal transmission, playing finals just once.

Melbourne’s breakthrough grand final triumph in Perth means the Saints have now been handed the game’s most unwanted tag — the longest premiership drought among the game’s establishment clubs.

Murmurs of discontent have rumbled behind the scenes since midway through last season and will only grow louder if Brett Ratten’s troops get off to a shaky start in 2022, which begs the question: Has the time come for Thomas to step back into the fold and make a run for the St Kilda presidency, a prospect he hinted at earlier this week?

The recent sale of his digital bank ‘Up’ to Bendigo Bank for $126 million would suggest Thomas again has the time and energy to invest in his dream of seeing St Kilda become a blue chip club.

Thomas, 63, is not everyone’s cup of tea, but has a history and thirst for success.

He won four successive flags with Warrnambool, played a key role in the appointment of Denis Pagan when director of football at North Melbourne, led St Kilda to three consecutive finals series – only the second time in the club’s history – and saw his side win more games than any other team between 2004-2006.

The Herald Sun revealed on Monday that Thomas and business magnate Gerry Ryan were publicly backing dental surgeon Larry Benge’s bid to become a club director — a move that puts the St Kilda board and its president Andrew Bassat on notice.

Thomas met with Bassat during the week and outlined his concerns.

The re-emergence of Thomas and Ryan’s public endorsement of Benge would be cause for concern for St Kilda chiefs, including CEO Matt Finnis and high-profile chief operating officer Simon Lethlean.

Thomas respects Bassat’s presidency but believes major changes must be made this coming summer.

He is of the view that Finnis isn’t a strong enough leader and should be replaced, and that Lethlean needs to stick to his current role and deliver on his football department blueprint.

Thomas also has concerns around list management and the surprise appointment of the department’s head James Gallagher.

Thomas has also identified the lack of an experienced cultural and people manager to oversee the football department, a role adopted by Richmond with Neil Balme in 2017 and Melbourne this year with Mark Williams.

He believes that senior football figures David Rath and Ratten are heavily focused on strategy, tactics and data, while the “vital cultural connectedness piece is being ignored”.

They are the ruthless decisions Thomas says will send a signal to the St Kilda members and wider AFL industry that they are ready to compete with the league’s powerhouse clubs.

“In my view there are two types of teams in this competition: those in the premiership business and those simply playing AFL,” Thomas said.

“From my observation over the last decade, St Kilda is just playing AFL.”

There is a view from some agitators that Bassat and the board have been too easily seduced by Lethlean and his vision.

Bassat may not have liked the way Benge went about seeking the public support of Thomas and Ryan, but he did not dismiss their comments and privately acknowledges that St Kilda still has much work to do.

During his three years in charge, Bassat has overseen the sacking of coach Alan Richardson and the appointment of Ratten but has largely adopted a steady-as-she-goes approach.

The president has indicated he will take a more hands-on role in the coming months and believes there will be on and off-field progress next year.

Others insist the club has until July to demonstrate that the current plan is working and it is Thomas who now looms as the most ominous figure.

“I only have one good fight left in me and — as always — I’m very happy to use it for the cause of St Kilda,” he told the Herald Sun.

Thomas played 72 games for the Saints between 1978-83, understands governance, business, leadership and finance – and has a powerful voice.

He was a senior executive at MLC for 15 years, played a key role in overthrowing the Andrew Plympton regimen in 2000, coached at AFL level for six years (before then president Rod Butterss sensationally sacked him) and was a member of the St Kilda board that wiped a $5 million debt — which has since ballooned back beyond $12 million.

Thomas’ strained relationship with the suits at AFL house is an obvious sticking point, differences that stem back to his clashes with former league boss Andrew Demetriou.

But should that matter?

Outspoken Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has always found a way through, and the league’s relationship with the Richmond hierarchy hasn’t exactly been smooth sailing in recent years.

Besides, St Kilda fans only care about that elusive second premiership, not petty spats.

Bassat, the co-founder of Seek and brother of AFL commissioner Paul Bassat, would consider Thomas’ views regarding some of the club’s leaders to be harsh and is comfortable with his current group of directors, although Benge’s bid for a board seat will be given respect.

The Saints boss has promised to keep the dialogue open with Thomas, but it remains to be seen just how long the club’s old coach will keep listening before he decides to act."
 
I don’t blame GT because he’s almost at the age where you start to worry that you may never see a Saints flag in your lifetime, particularly if it doesn’t come in the next five years. The first half of this season would make you question whether these guys have any idea what they’re doing but the second half would have to give him some confidence at least.
 

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“From my observation over the last decade, St Kilda is just playing AFL.” A bit like GT "just coaching AFL" (a self appointed coach at that).

This sort of behavior is what has dogged Carlton for decades thinking that only they and their cronies can bring success, I think the right thing is for Mr STKFC to STFU.
 
"He believes that senior football figures David Rath and Ratten are heavily focused on strategy, tactics and data, while the “vital cultural connectedness piece is being ignored”.

In a perfect world this is the role you bring GT on board for. Despite what you thought about his game day coaching he was strong in this area.
If...he could refrain from overstepping his role and stepping on everyone's toes. But we all know that's beyond him when it comes to the Saints.
 
“From my observation over the last decade, St Kilda is just playing AFL.” A bit like GT "just coaching AFL" (a self appointed coach at that).

This sort of behavior is what has dogged Carlton for decades thinking that only they and their cronies can bring success, I think the right thing is for Mr STKFC to STFU.

I dislike these kind of catch lines. Yeah sounds great but provides nothing of substance and no solutions.

Very easy to say you want St Kilda to be winning flags, much harder to get St Kilda to a flag. You’d think GT would know this first hand.
 
I don’t blame GT because he’s almost at the age where you start to worry that you may never see a Saints flag in your lifetime, particularly if it doesn’t come in the next five years. The first half of this season would make you question whether these guys have any idea what they’re doing but the second half would have to give him some confidence at least.
and that would also be me also wondering if i will ever see another
 
I don’t blame GT because he’s almost at the age where you start to worry that you may never see a Saints flag in your lifetime, particularly if it doesn’t come in the next five years. The first half of this season would make you question whether these guys have any idea what they’re doing but the second half would have to give him some confidence at least.

A lot of the stuff quoted here was on the “Unpluggered” podcast released on 24th June. Four months ago. The media aren’t exactly quick with the news here.

I think it’s clear that if we don’t start the year well, and if it looks like we will miss finals, then Thomas will look to stir things up. This is hardly a major revelation. But I’m not sure he will want to blow the board up.

Quite the reverse, I think he will want to see change and be in the thick of the action to oversee it. My hunch is that he may even want to take on the CEO role himself.

Maybe I’m misreading the tea leaves here, but Thomas now has financial security and more time on his hands. He wants Lethlean continuing in his present role as COO but Thomas would relish an opportunity to be the club’s CEO.

He’s a polarising figure despite being mercurial and innovative. His history indicates it’s his way or the highway. Not sure it would end well.
 
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There's more to a club president's role than pure on field performance. Bassat has done an enormous amount of work to turn the club around off field. I seriously hope we don't knife him so that GT can have his vanity project.

Then again, I love the idea of him coming in as a sort of club godfather. Nick Riewoldt wrote in his book about how that core of players from 2004-2011 really came together as a group through the social events that GT and his family put on for the players. More steak nights at the Thomas's to bring the boys together could do wonders, and bring back some of the togetherness we saw in the hubs last year.
 
There's more to a club president's role than pure on field performance. Bassat has done an enormous amount of work to turn the club around off field. I seriously hope we don't knife him so that GT can have his vanity project.

Then again, I love the idea of him coming in as a sort of club godfather. Nick Riewoldt wrote in his book about how that core of players from 2004-2011 really came together as a group through the social events that GT and his family put on for the players. More steak nights at the Thomas's to bring the boys together could do wonders, and bring back some of the togetherness we saw in the hubs last year.


The cultural stuff is definitely getting shoved out of the way in the pursuit of making us look like 3peat era Hawthorn. I have never felt more disconnected from the playing group or the club. It feels like we are an old pub in a rapidly gentrifying suburb, the locals loved the grand old dame with her peeling wall paper, sticky carpet and history of rock bands. Some Porsche driving developers have bought it and want to topple it and turn it into apartments with a high end bar and some upmarket retail down below.

We always had one or two home grown heroes who were jealously ogled by other supporters. Jack Steele is sort of that but not really with the same gravitas as a Plugger or Harves. The only players left from 5 years ago are Ross, Geary, Gresham, Membrey, Webster, McKenzie and Sinclair. They are own home grown crop of senior players, which with Membrey isn't even true.

I know losing Dunstan was pretty popular on here but he was one of the few with some heart and soul type vibes. He was like the temperamental beer taps that had been in the pub since the 1920s. Sure he wasn't great at pouring beer and you had to know his quirks to not lose more beer than you poured but he was part of the fabric.

I don't know how you keep the history and culture alive while rushing head on to try to cash in while the market is hot. You risk losing the only good thing about the place if you get it wrong. If they get the on field stuff right they'll start a new successful era and no-one will remember the rough old place that stood before. But get that wrong and it becomes an untenanted badly built brutalist eyesore and you've ****ed any chance of ever getting it back to what it was in it's prime.
 
There's more to a club president's role than pure on field performance. Bassat has done an enormous amount of work to turn the club around off field. I seriously hope we don't knife him so that GT can have his vanity project.

Then again, I love the idea of him coming in as a sort of club godfather. Nick Riewoldt wrote in his book about how that core of players from 2004-2011 really came together as a group through the social events that GT and his family put on for the players. More steak nights at the Thomas's to bring the boys together could do wonders, and bring back some of the togetherness we saw in the hubs last year.


I don't want GT in an actual role. I just want him agitating through his agent on the board. The "Dentist" sounds like a henchman.
 
Now you're talking..
Think the headline is completely wrong unless it welcome back to the local pub
Wouldn't mind Grant back,he has that no nonsense prick attitude that we could well and truly do with,I understand we have a large debt but I would love to be to stand up to the afl and get some of that arrogance back,maybe thommo can do a peter Gordon and help out with the debt as well.......
 
GT had his time ...... and failed .... why would it be any different the 2nd time around?
Did he really fail though..? He ahd 3 years here and the best winning record of any team during those years and a bunch of young players all yet to enter their primes. The team he laid the foundations of nearly won 2 flags. He did a damn sight better than any of our coaches after Lyon and most of our coaches before too.
 
Did he really fail though..? He ahd 3 years here and the best winning record of any team during those years and a bunch of young players all yet to enter their primes. The team he laid the foundations of nearly won 2 flags. He did a damn sight better than any of our coaches after Lyon and most of our coaches before too.
How many leaders did he create?
 

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