Carlton the least travelled team this year and a pretty cushy run home too. But the Pies get a pile on? I don't get it.
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They arent really nonsense though, and thats the problem. Some things you can fix and others you cant really do much about, and some solutions arent really solutions at all.
Carlton the least travelled team this year and a pretty cushy run home too. But the Pies get a pile on? I don't get it.
Oh well tough sh*t, looks like you're not getting it.Actually we can and are demanding equality for our clubs
.and yes, to the detriment of your club.
You can't gauge emotions from behind a keyboard Jack.Three of the four top contributors in this thread are Pies fans (one of them being you, sooking about others supposedly sooking). I’d suggest you are bothered.
And we absolutely can demand equality to the detriment of foundation clubs, there’s nothing stopping us. And when the AFL decides it values a national competition over parochial Victorians, there’ll be some changes. And the reactions will be amusing.
Unless you are Dillon or one of his cronies I can't take you seriously.Oh well tough sh*t, looks like you're not getting it.
Well you certainly can’t take anyone at AFL house seriously.Unless you are Dillon or one of his cronies I can't take you seriously.
Who cares?Unless you are Dillon or one of his cronies I can't take you seriously.
Legal? What do you mean? AFL are propping up several non Vic teams.What don’t you get? The big 4 in Vic are in stone, we will jump on them with all our might at AFL house to make sure they reap the benefits.
Is it actually legal for a league to barrack openly for certain clubs they are supposed to be neutral in running?
Yes, agreed, I retract my statement I think there is a storm coming in the AFL corridors and it will be an interesting watch .Well you certainly can’t take anyone at AFL house seriously.
Legal? What do you mean? AFL are propping up several non Vic teams.
Pies have a tough run home. Carlton have the cushy run this year. I don't get the Pies pile on.
Pies tick all the boxes. Reigning premiers. Heaps of blockbusters. 14 games at the GF venue. Heaps of luck with father son, which the WCE crew have long considered a Vic conspiracy, despite the fact that their haul of Ashley McIntosh, Ben Cousins and now Waterman beats the hell out of what most Vic clubs have gotten from it - you see the illustrious great Cale Morton didn't quite qualify, which had a devasting impact on the Eagles.Legal? What do you mean? AFL are propping up several non Vic teams.
Pies have a tough run home. Carlton have the cushy run this year. I don't get the Pies pile on.
It's nonsense when you're only seeing disadvantages and not advantages - even though many of the non-Vic clubs do have some pretty obvious ones. And it's nonsense when you're blowing up the disadvantages to enormous levels - completely ignoring the vast majority of available data and only selecting the data that suits your victim narrative. Data which overall actually suggests a really even competition, which judging by the equalisation measures that have been put in place has clearly been a goal of the AFL.
Have you missed the part where Essendon and Carlton are finally back into the 8 after being hopeless for this period of #VICBIAS.What don’t you get? The big 4 in Vic are in stone, we will jump on them with all our might at AFL house to make sure they reap the benefits.
Is it actually legal for a league to barrack openly for certain clubs they are supposed to be neutral in running?
There's a pretty popular Rugby League forum, I can't say for sure but I'd imagine there would be a fair number of similar type complaints and whinges happening there.To me, it's more about what the hell has gone wrong with AFL fans? Do NRL fans spend every week carrying on about a free kick that should or shouldn't hve been paid? Do the QLD, Melbourne and Auckland NRL fans carry on about the huge disadvantage of playing the Granny at the same Sydney stadium every year? Do Melbourne and Auckland Auckland fans continually whinge about extra travel? Pretty sure they don't.
Have you missed the part where Essendon and Carlton are finally back into the 8 after being hopeless for this period of #VICBIAS.
Sure travel isn't equal, but in what competition is it ever equal?Travel remains a factor. You cant ignore that, even if they did sign up for it.
Playing away at a neutral venue (where the home team also has travelled) compared to playing away at your opponents home ground (where players are at home) is clearly a reduced disadvantage.It hasnt reduced the disadvantage, they have simply overcome that disadvantage. The disadvantage remains exactly the same. Its like being able to climbing a wall. You can climb the wall, but the wall is still an obstacle no matter how well you climb it,.
EPL has 7 of 20, not half but close enough.Other than Australia with the NRL and AFL, which other countries base half their competition in one city?
Correct, it was AFL House policy.The league decided not to fund ground improvements and the Victorian Government told the clubs there was no money for them.
Is it legal for a league to barrack for certain teams to be strong?
The data doesnt change the travel requirements. And thats the biggest one there is. There has not been an equalisation policy that has addressed this fact - Victorian clubs will travel less than non victorian clubs.
THe narrative is "oh they won anyway so it doesnt matter" is utter bullshit.
Look Im all for the "this is what you signed up for" team and Ive said as much before, but to ignore the fact that there ARE in fact disadvantages that these teams have to beat - and have, is just so incredibly stupid.
Suns and Giants and Swans? The league wants them to succeed. Legality is about crimes, not sport.Is it legal for a league to barrack for certain teams to be strong?
Sure travel isn't equal, but in what competition is it ever equal?
Teams from remote isolated cities end up clocking up more kms than those who live in major metropolitan hubs.
Arsenal play 26 EPL games in London, but Newcastle only get 19 in Newcastle.
West Coast NBA teams like Portland and LA teams can travel close to 80K km in a season, whilst teams like Detroit barely reach 50K km.
NFL is the same, LA chargers will travel 26K miles but the Cincinatti Bengals only 11K miles next season.
And people continue to whinge and sook about travel being a factor, but where is the correlation between less travel = more wins?
Playing away at a neutral venue (where the home team also has travelled) compared to playing away at your opponents home ground (where players are at home) is clearly a reduced disadvantage.
Unless people think that
1 - travel isnt a disadvantage
2 - that the ground has nothing to do with HGA
3 - playing in front of your fans has nothing to do with HGA.
Results are clear, in the 21st century the teams that have failed to finish top4, make GFs and win premierships have been the Melbourne based teams.
Is it? Players and coaching staff win games of footy. Do you think that Freo wouldn't be at the top if they had top coahes and had gotten Heeney, Mills, Gulden, Blakey as draft concessions? Or Moore, Daicos Daicos and IQ? I think if you plugged either of those groups of 4 into Freo and took them out of the clubs where they are, they'd smash the competition with or without travel.
Don't underestimate the advantages that the academy teams have.
Nor the advantages that WA teams have by being only two clubs in such a big market which gets all games plugged into that market as FTA games. THere's 6 of your 8 terribly disadvantaged clubs.
Crammed? It's a short flight, like sitting at home watching a movie or game for 2 hours.NFL player travel by private jet, not crammed into Virgin economy like the Swans were last week. See NBA players.
It's just a heap of looking for something to complain about.Crammed? It's a short flight, like sitting at home watching a movie or game for 2 hours.
Yep, and has 7 teams in the one city.England is 1/3rd the size of Victoria.
Not sure what relevance the size of the court or the venue being indoor has to do with travel?NBA clubs play games in an indoor venue that is the size of a postage stamp and travel by private jet, with facilities that AFL clubs can only dream of.
So if you put AFL players in their own plane, the travel impost goes away.NFL player travel by private jet, not crammed into Virgin economy like the Swans were last week. See NBA players.
It means that it is massively overblown.That the travel factor is overcome doesnt mean its not a factor.
Go look at VFL history.If you seriously think that traveling 10 minutes further up the road from Docklands to the MCG can be equated to flying 3000 miles in a cramped aircraft, then sure they are the same, and the HGA is identical.
8 of the 15 were won by Geelong and Hawthorn.You keep saying this like it means something. Brisbane hasnt won a grand final since 2003, Fremantle never have. Port Adelaide havent since 2004, the Suns and Giants havent. 15 of the last 23 Premiers have been Victorian sides. So you mean West Coast and Sydney. (2/8 non vic teams as opposed to 6/10 Victorian sides since 2000)