Current Trial Toyah Cordingley * Murder Trial of Rajwinder Singh

[madjoe]

I tend to agree with you, and the defence has done an excellent job really of 'muddying the waters'. It will be interesting to see if the jury can reach a verdict, although being so split after just three hours shows there is already a level of exasperation between the guilty and not guilty by the sounds of it.

split is just code it could be just one person who doesn't want to change there mind, lynn case had the same with the jury wanting to re see some evidence,


Goes into the 2nd day it doesn't bode well . Sucks the jury miss out on hearing so much of the DNA on Singh and his mental struggles

 

[getafterit]

split is just code it could be just one person who doesn't want to change there mind, lynn case had the same with the jury wanting to re see some evidence,


Goes into the 2nd day it doesn't bode well . Sucks the jury miss out on hearing so much of the DNA on Singh

Where are you getting this info on the Dna that can't be used madjoe ? Who's shoe were you referring to?

 

[madjoe]

Where are you getting this info on the Dna that can't be used madjoe ? Who's shoe were you referring to?

pre trial stuff i quote

"New Zealand-based senior forensic scientist Jayshree Patel examined DNA evidence from Ms Cordingley, the beach and a sports shoe" boarderline to use in court which they didn't end up using.

 

[BFew]

Justice Henry is reported to have given the jury some advice on the DNA evidence this morning.
I'll not be posting my opinion on this advice and the QLD & NZ DNA evidence whilst the jury is deliberating.

Cairns Post Trial blog today

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'...the 12 samples of DNA showing mixed matches with unidentified persons.
... men on the beach “staring” at beachgoers.
... DNA evidence can be “hit and miss”.
... DNA can be deposited directly or by transfer and that DNA can be washed away as well as not deposited on everything touched.
..."There are explanations as to why DNA may be left behind or why it may not"
...DNA test results that indicated similarities with Mr Singh and the probability calculations.'

 

[BFew]

https://archive.is/1iA1q for an archived version of the below Cairns Post article, which details some of the Q&A and instructions between/from Justice Henry and Jury yesterday during the verdict deliberations phase of this trial.

Jury’s daylong deliberations will continue on Monday in the trial of Rajwinder Singh​

March 15, 2025 - 6:00AM
...
During six and a half hours of deliberations on Friday, the jury sought answers from presiding Justice James Henry on two occasions to three questions.
...'

 

[BFew]

According to the Cairns Post trial blog this afternoon, the jury sent a lunchtime note to Justice Henry with 2 more questions today.

Q1: One regarding regarding the three dots on the outside of Marco Heidenreich's car.

Q2: About the DNA swab of Evan McCrae.

Both questions included requests for trial evidence transcripts related to these issues.

 

[Kurve]

According to the Cairns Post trial blog this afternoon, the jury sent a lunchtime note to Justice Henry with 2 more questions today.

Q1: One regarding regarding the three dots on the outside of Marco Heidenreich's car.

Q2: About the DNA swab of Evan McCrae.

Both questions included requests for trial evidence transcripts related to these issues.

What is it about the three dots? I don't think I've heard this before.

 

[Im New]

What is it about the three dots? I don't think I've heard this before.

It was thought to be bug blood, ie the type you get driving at night when a flying bug hits your car.

edited to add from Cairns Post

6:07 PM
Mar 07, 2025

No blood detected inside blue car, forensive scientists say

The forensic scientist who swabbed and examined cars, clothing, sticks and a dog chain in the investigation of Toyah Cordingley’s murder has said luminol tests of the blue Alfa Romeo registered to Rajwinder Singh did not detect any blood in the vehicle.
Detective Senior Sergeant Amanda Milligan said all surfaces inside and outside the vehicle were subjected to a luminol examination.

She said Mr Heidenreich’s car was tested for blood and three 1mm spots were found on the exterior, which she said were compatible with flystrikes or biological material.

 

[BFew]

What is it about the three dots? I don't think I've heard this before.

It was reported today that the jury asked why the three dots on the outside of the car didn't get DNA tested, and if they were determined to be blood.

 

[penciltip]

So they didn’t further test three spots of presumptive human blood on the boyfriend’s car on the basis that it was either something to do with flies or “biological material”?

And they didn’t test hairs found in the deceased’s hand because it kind of looked like it might’ve maybe sort of been her hair (“blonde or light brown”)?

Full credit to the Queensland Police Service if they can get away with this.

 

[Im New]

So they didn’t further test three spots of presumptive human blood on the boyfriend’s car on the basis that it was either something to do with flies or “biological material”?

And they didn’t test hairs found in the deceased’s hand because it kind of looked like it might’ve maybe sort of been her hair (“blonde or light brown”)?

Full credit to the Queensland Police Service if they can get away with this.

Presumptive human blood? Most people can discern a fly strike on their car. I bet if you go outside now you’d probably even find a few on your car, and you will know exactly what they are.

 

[penciltip]

Presumptive human blood? Most people can discern a fly strike on their car. I bet if you go outside now you’d probably even find a few on your car, and you will know exactly what they are.

I’m showing my naivety but I don’t know what fly strikes are.

I thought they did combur tests on the spots and they were positive (presumptively human blood) and then to explain why they didn’t further test the spots they said the spots were fly spots or biological matter or something?

 

[Im New]

I’m showing my naivety but I don’t know what fly strikes are.

I thought they did combur tests on the spots and they were positive (presumptively human blood) and then to explain why they didn’t further test the spots they said the spots were fly spots or biological matter or something?

You know when you drive at night and bugs are attracted to your headlights and go splat. That is basically a fly strike.

 

[penciltip]

I see. I don’t know how you could mistake fly matter for blood spots or vice versa.

I can’t be too critical though because, really, what would I know?

 

[remoteviewer]

It was reported today that the jury asked why the three dots on the outside of the car didn't get DNA tested, and if they were determined to be blood

I see. I don’t know how you could mistake fly matter for blood spots or vice versa.

I can’t be too critical though because, really, what would I k

So they didn’t further test three spots of presumptive human blood on the boyfriend’s car on the basis that it was either something to do with flies or “biological material”?

And they didn’t test hairs found in the deceased’s hand because it kind of looked like it might’ve maybe sort of been her hair (“blonde or light brown”)?

Full credit to the Queensland Police Service if they can get away with this.

So they didn’t further test three spots of presumptive human blood on the boyfriend’s car on the basis that it was either something to do with flies or “biological material”?

And they didn’t test hairs found in the deceased’s hand because it kind of looked like it might’ve maybe sort of been her hair (“blonde or light brown”)?

Full credit to the Queensland Police Service if they can get away with this.

That's how "science" works. Often they can tell with the naked eye and anyone who is baffled by that is not a scientist and should trust the experts. Still waiting to hear if the police DNA tested the blood found on BFs shirt.

 

[Underarrest_]

That's how "science" works. Often they can tell with the naked eye and anyone who is baffled by that is not a scientist and should trust the experts. Still waiting to hear if the police DNA tested the blood found on BFs shirt.

From the Cairns blog,

“Mr Parry said the lab tested the clothes worn by Mr Heidenreich and Mr Singh that day.

DNA on Mr Heidenreich’s clothes matched him, and not Ms Cordingley, the court was told.”

Interestedly, haven’t seen any evidence how police know these clothes were worn by both parties, all day.

Only have Singh’s/defence argument that the killer/s could have been wearing shirts at all though.

 

[remoteviewer]

From the Cairns blog,

“Mr Parry said the lab tested the clothes worn by Mr Heidenreich and Mr Singh that day.

DNA on Mr Heidenreich’s clothes matched him, and not Ms Cordingley, the court was told.”

Interestedly, haven’t seen any evidence how police know these clothes were worn by both parties, all day.

Only have Singh’s/defence argument that the killer/s could have been wearing shirts at all though.

i thought the media reported that no evidence was presented to the court regarding the shirt blood DNA, but I'm probably wrong about that. Anyway, I trust the science and the police investigation 100%

 

[Underarrest_]

i thought the media reported that no evidence was presented to the court regarding the shirt blood DNA, but I'm probably wrong about that. Anyway, I trust the science and the police investigation 100%

I didn’t see any neither except in the closing statement.
I’ve always thought DNA testing was a lot more straight forward than what’s been presented in this case, (thinking it either is or isn’t a person’s DNA, not part or less or more likely to be someone’s DNA.)
I’d struggle as a jury member trying to understand this DNA evidence.

 

[BomberManU]

Jury has been dismissed.

 

[Underarrest_]

“The court will now discuss the next steps in the case of former Innisfail nurse Rajwinder Singh, 40, who has pleaded not guilty to the murder of 24-year-old Toyah Cordingley at Wangetti beach in 2018.
A new trial will be rescheduled.”
Cairns blog

 

[Anj]

The 'hung jury' outcome is not unexpected, given the strong emotions held by the people of Cairns.
I feel sorry for the families involved.
Interestingly, RS's legal team mentioned that he may be represented by other lawyers in the new trial. I wonder what happened there.

 

[BFew]

Jury has been dismissed.

‘After two-and-a-half days of deliberations, the 12-person jury sent a note to the judge saying they were “deadlocked” and “cannot see a path to be unanimous”.’

Am not at all surprised by this.