Restricted Free Agent Tom De Koning

[Jeremias]

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[Joffaboy]

Have u ever actually watched TDK play a game? Every Blues fan knows he needs to play full ruck minutes to be effective. There's a reason nobody cares for TDK until Pittonet was removed from the equation and he was given the reigns.

Yes, Marshall was recruited as a forward, and we can play him there, he can ruck 30% of the time. Everyone told us Marshall and Ryder wouldn't work, lulz.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

And if you weren't, and the Blues made it known that they were going to match the offer to make sure it went to a trade, then the Saints would likely pull out and save themselves the hassle as they didn't wanna give up draft picks for him.

Not too complicated I woulda thought.

It’s not a complicated process really. I just don’t see it being possible that Carlton would be able to match an offer that’s being talked about

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Yes, Marshall was recruited as a forward, and we can play him there, he can ruck 30% of the time. Everyone told us Marshall and Ryder wouldn't work, lulz.

Who’s Ryder?

 

[CCurnow3votes]

You mean the 4-5th best in the league. As voted by players.

Video of StKilda players filling in the “who’s got the best kulcha” questionnaire after training….

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yes, Marshall was recruited as a forward, and we can play him there, he can ruck 30% of the time. Everyone told us Marshall and Ryder wouldn't work, lulz.

TDK ain't Ryder. He needs to play heavy ruck minutes to impact. Ryder was just as competent up forward as he was in the ruck, TDK is not.

 

[boncer34]

You really struggle with basic comprehension.
Never said Marshall would come. Just that we'd likely ask for him as part of the trade. Guarantee you the Saints would entertain that idea. They should be sacked if they don't. Would then be up to Blues and Saints to convince him to make the move. He's hardly going to say that he'd want to leave if you got Tom. There's too much water to go under the bridge before it gets to that point.

What don't you get about the matching thing?
It will be a simple convo between our list management team, Tom's agent and Tom. This is our biggest offer, we simply aren't giving you $1.7m. If that's what you want, you'll have to get it from the Saints, but we won't be letting you go for compo. We'll be matching and forcing a trade, but that offer is not on the table for you to take. You will ONLY be getting $1.7m from the Saints.
Tom and his agent will either agree on a match and trade, or take Carlton's lower offer.

I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. You can't "fake match."

If you match then TDK can stay or the Saints can walk away leaving you holding a $1.7m contract.

 

[stavro#4]

Video of StKilda players filling in the “who’s got the best kulcha” questionnaire after training….

I know watching RTB speak in that clip would have hurt.

You ended up with Voss coaching your best chance of a flag in 30 years to half a good season and another 2 wasted with this season tracking similar.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

“What St Kilda has done with a lot of their big contracts is they’ve front-ended them,” Ralph told Midweek Tackle. “So (club president) Andrew Bassat has previously said: ‘It’s saving us money for later years when we’re in the premiership mode.’

“St Kilda and TDK’s management haven’t specifically spoken about that one yet, but it would be a no-brainer to give him $200,000 or $300,000 or $400,000 more in his first year.

TDK’s manager is doing a great job clearly.

He wants to stay at the Blues & is openly using a reported $1.7m offer to eek out the best deal he can get from Carlton, as is his right.

Or, does he want to join the success story that is The “St. Kilda - Ex-Carlton Players Association” - with Liam Stocker, Paddy Dow & Matt Carrol?

 

[THE_GUN]

And have no money to do anything else to improve the list?

Well Losing TDK and Gaining somebody else would not be considered to be improving the list

You want to keep TDK you pay 'Close' to market rate

Carlton have benefited from free agency in the past and knew this day would come

What goes around comes around

 

[CCurnow3votes]

I know watching RTB speak in that clip would have hurt.

You ended up with Voss coaching your best chance of a flag in 30 years to half a good season and another 2 wasted with this season tracking similar.

Yes RTB is the answer to our dreams

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Well Losing TDK and Gaining somebody else would not be considered to be improving the list

You want to keep TDK you pay 'Close' to market rate

Carlton have benefited from free agency in the past and knew this day would come

What goes around comes around

When have we benefited from free agency in recent times?

 

[THE_GUN]

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TDK does look better in the Saints kit

 

[projectv]

When have we benefited from free agency in recent times?

True, Zac Williams doesn't really count as a benefit.

 

[THE_GUN]

When have we benefited from free agency in recent times?

Williams and hewitt come to mind

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Williams and hewitt come to mind

Hewett & Acres have been great.

Relatively low cost.

Williams seen as the answer to our midfield needs at 800k/year over 5 years - ouch.

Imagine paying one player more than double that each year for 7 years!

Gasp!

 

[THE_GUN]

Hewett & Acres have been great.

Relatively low cost.

Williams seen as the answer to our midfield needs at 800k/year over 5 years - ouch.

Imagine paying one player more than double that each year for 7 years!

Gasp!

$1.7 today is like $1.25 in 2019 where Richmond had Lynch & Dusty on these contracts
Not really terrible specially if you have $3 mil banked

 

[stfan]

Hmmm not so sure.

TDK is a brilliant F/T ruck, but struggles when he’s taken in/out of the game.

Why would St Kilda pay $1.7m for a ruck when they already have one - maybe Marshall wants out?

TDK is 4 years younger than Marshall. Marshall will turn 30 in 2026.

St Kilda are in the process of rebuilding (Lyon calls it building, but I call it rebuilding. Just look at our draft haul last drat)

TDK is just older than a talented batch of younger players that he would be able to play many years with. Higgins is just older than TDK. They are chasing TDK for the longterm.


TDK and Marshall are both good runners, very mobile and very good around the ground, being link players as well as pushing back as well as forward. So when the ball is in motion both could be on the ground.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

$1.7 today is like $1.25 in 2019 where Richmond had Lynch & Dusty on these contracts
Not really terrible specially if you have $3 mil

MAFS!

$1.7 million per season is just that. It doesn’t matter what was paid in 2019.

it’s 1.7million to one player over 7 years - it’s not like St Kilda don’t need a bunch of other types.

At some point spending that much on one player - will cost something more.

But why spend so much for a ruckman when they have a great one already?

Especially one that doesn’t play well in a 2 ruck setup….

 

[stavro#4]

TDK’s manager is doing a great job clearly.

He wants to stay at the Blues & is openly using a reported $1.7m offer to eek out the best deal he can get from Carlton, as is his right.

Or, does he want to join the success story that is The “St. Kilda - Ex-Carlton Players Association” - with Liam Stocker, Paddy Dow & Matt Carrol?

Is this supposed to bother me?

He can stay at Carlton either way an aging list that is getting further and further from contention.

 

[THE_GUN]

MAFS!

$1.7 million per season is just that. It doesn’t matter what was paid in 2019.

it’s 1.7million to one player over 7 years - it’s not like St Kilda don’t need a bunch of other types.

At some point spending that much on one player - will cost something more.

But why spend so much for a ruckman when they have a great one already?

Especially one that doesn’t play well in a 2 ruck setup….

Just look at the percentage of your cap in 2017-20019 of $1.25mil v Cap space of 2026 -2028

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

True, Zac Williams doesn't really count as a benefit.

Absolutely putrid. Worst contract in club history.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Just look at the percentage of your cap in 2017-20019 of $1.25mil v Cap space of 2026 -2028

I get it!

Still - if you have a leading ruckman already - would you pay $1.7m to bring in another one - or would you bring in Dusty in his prime?

 

[CCurnow3votes]

TDK is 4 years younger than Marshall. Marshall will turn 30 in 2026.

St Kilda are in the process of rebuilding (Lyon calls it building, but I call it rebuilding. Just look at our draft haul last drat)

TDK is just older than a talented batch of younger players that he would be able to play many years with. Higgins is just older than TDK. They are chasing TDK for the longterm.


TDK and Marshall are both good runners, very mobile and very good around the ground, being link players as well as pushing back as well as forward. So when the ball is in motion both could be on the ground.

Marshall would have to play forward - CHF?

 

[THE_GUN]

I get it!

Still - if you have a leading ruckman already - would you pay $1.7m to bring in another one - or would you bring in Dusty in his prime?

Thats something for StKilda's list management to decide
Clearly they see value in having both players and have to use the cash before they lose it as you cant bank it for ever and TDK is the best free agent they rate.