Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 3

[katmanblue]

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[katmanblue]

4 in the race at this stage, Goatie, Cripps, Heeney Bont

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[Arr0w]

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[Ezayyak]

If in 6 years we haven't won a flag with a list that includes Walsh, Cripps, Harry, Charlie, TDK, Weitering and others like Elijah etc I as a supporter would consider it to be a failure. And I can't understand how is that even controversial or being negative?

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Again, he never said failures. He said we might have underachieved, which is totally fair. People going out of their way to be offended at this point.

You're right it's a very minor point. But it's not a much of a compliment when a team is 2 games clear in second to say they're premiership chances over the next 2 years. With the GF on the G we're clear premiership favourites this year.

Interesting to note through all our dire years on the bottom and during richmond's premiership years we never got beaten by a 10+ goal margin. The biggest was 7 goals. That's actually a pretty fair achievement for a young team.

Nice to give them a touch up on the way back through.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If in 6 years we haven't won a flag with a list that includes Walsh, Cripps, Harry, Charlie, TDK, Weitering and others like Elijah etc I as a supporter would consider it to be a failure. And I can't understand how is that even controversial or being negative?

I just think the 2 years part was a bit ridiculous, I think we have a solid 5-6 years of contending if things all go to plan. Getting an influx of talent through F/S and some youngsters like Elijah, Ollie, Kemp etc while our core players are in their primes. Cripps will be the big one we have to find a way to cover but still think we have a great list demographic with the Campo's and Walker coming in soon.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

They did say we're tracking well and by round 20 they anticipate we'll be in the window.

Ahh... ok we have to wait till round 20 to meet their stupid criteria, never mind the fact we're clearly the best team over the last month, had to circumnavigate our way through a ton of injuries to key players, played all the toughest teams...

 

[jj1978]

Ahh... ok we have to wait till round 20 to meet their stupid criteria, never mind the fact we're clearly the best team over the last month, had to circumnavigate our way through a ton of injuries to key players, played all the toughest teams...

We did a month ago have the 3rd most conceded points and currently sitting 6th most, but if we conceded a few points less against Richmond we'd be 8th most as there is a cluster of teams that we hopefully overtake in the next 3-4 weeks.

Swans are the outlier with clearly best points against and for (we're closing in though on the points for).

 

[tarczonandjane]

Seriously ...win the flag or it's a waste?
How about making the prelim and winning?

How about being in the GF?

Not sure if you count yourself amongst those who'd be disappointed?
Winning a cup is difficult. There are a gazillion factors and micro-factors involved.
We are set up to give it a great crack.
If people aren't happy with that, they can go
and sulk and be dreary elsewhere.

Oh gosh Mr Horsey…

Yes, there are plenty of people on here who will consider this year a waste if we don’t win a flag. There are people here who consider last year a waste for not winning a flag.

Re this year and my own views, I might think it’s a waste if we have no injuries and don’t play to our best in the finals. So, I couldn’t answer your question right now. But it is possible that I would consider it a disappointing season (I don’t think I used the word waste in my previous post… that’s a more extreme position than disappointing).

The overall comment was made re Jordan Lewis and his comments. I maintain there are circumstances where the critics will come for us if we don’t win this year. I also said there were circumstances where I didn’t think they would. I don’t find Lewis’ comments controversial.

I guess if that makes me sulky and dreary then that’s where it sits. Though I don’t particularly think I’ve said anything which would suggest I need to take myself off elsewhere.

 

[Arr0w]

I thought horsey was a filly

 

[AceAndy]

I thought horsey was a filly

I did think that but now I am not so sure

 

[ESKIE]

I thought horsey was a filly

Yes Roanie is a filly

 

[myblueroan]

Oh gosh Mr Horsey…

Yes, there are plenty of people on here who will consider this year a waste if we don’t win a flag. There are people here who consider last year a waste for not winning a flag.

Re this year and my own views, I might think it’s a waste if we have no injuries and don’t play to our best in the finals. So, I couldn’t answer your question right now. But it is possible that I would consider it a disappointing season (I don’t think I used the word waste in my previous post… that’s a more extreme position than disappointing).

The overall comment was made re Jordan Lewis and his comments. I maintain there are circumstances where the critics will come for us if we don’t win this year. I also said there were circumstances where I didn’t think they would. I don’t find Lewis’ comments controversial.

I guess if that makes me sulky and dreary then that’s where it sits. Though I don’t particularly think I’ve said anything which would suggest I need to take myself off elsewhere.

Nonono!! Mr Tarczon!
Not directed at you. I was clarifying if you thought this way.. not at all.Hiwever if we made a granny and people want to sulk...
Then my comment stands

 

[BigFrizz36]

Ahh... ok we have to wait till round 20 to meet their stupid criteria, never mind the fact we're clearly the best team over the last month, had to circumnavigate our way through a ton of injuries to key players, played all the toughest teams...

I actually think that we are a bit of an outlier to this sort of data. We might not have the most dour defence and as a result we might get scored against a bit more than other teams.

But we have the best kicking defence in the comp, this will mean that when we are up and running we will continually kick high scores. I'm more than happy to give up a couple of goals a week to get the extra 4 or five that their precision kicking returns as a trade off.

If that means that we don't fit into some Champion data demographic then so be it. Fair chance that they'll have to adjust it next year to cover themselves as we attempt to go back to back.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

I actually think that we are a bit of an outlier to this sort of data. We might not have the most dour defence and as a result we might get scored against a bit more than other teams.

But we have the best kicking defence in the comp, this will mean that when we are up and running we will continually kick high scores. I'm more than happy to give up a couple of goals a week to get the extra 4 or five that their precision kicking returns as a trade off.

If that means that we don't fit into some Champion data demographic then so be it. Fair chance that they'll have to adjust it next year to cover themselves as we attempt to go back to back.

I agree that we’re an outlier in this particular demographic. I think it also comes down to the fact we can play/win in different ways. You wanna play turnover no dramas we’ll get it done. You wanna play contest/clearance no dramas we’ll get it done. I think toggling between those 2 modes within a game let alone over a period of the season will skew the numbers as well.

 

[ESKIE]

Yeh lids back on, long long way to go

Keep the powder dry Eskie

 

[Aphrodite]

Yes Roanie is a filly

Correct

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Until the Swans start beating teams above them on the ladder, I won’t rate them.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Nah, it’s actually based on points for and against over the season.

Whether it’s luck or whatever, it’s actually very accurate.

Let’s just stay under the radar though, they’ve all forgotten (or have chosen to ignore) just how decimated we were earlier in the season especially in the backline


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Fairly accurate obviously. They dont mention that there were 2 years teams have won whilst not being in their demographic. They don't tell us who but my guess would be dogs 2016 and dees 2021?

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

They did say we're tracking well and by round 20 they anticipate we'll be in the window.

Thank **** for that

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

I thought horsey was a filly

mehr

 

[Azzurro]

Fairly accurate obviously. They dont mention that there were 2 years teams have won whilst not being in their demographic. They don't tell us who but my guess would be dogs 2016 and dees 2021?

Squiggle does this but better, i.e. more accurately, accounting for form and trends throughout the season.

We were 4th on the below last week, climbing steadily.

There are other predictive tools on Squiggle that are more powerful still.

 

[tarczonandjane]

Yes Roanie is a filly

Sorry Mrs / Ms Roanie. A poor effort by me.

 

[katmanblue]

Hated him since he coward punched Cripps and fractured his cheek bone.

He can sit on it and rotate.

I couldn't believe cripps agreed to play golf with the flog for that segment.

Should have said anyone but him.

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[katmanblue]

Seriously ...win the flag or it's a waste?
How about making the prelim and winning?

How about being in the GF?

Not sure if you count yourself amongst those who'd be disappointed?
Winning a cup is difficult. There are a gazillion factors and micro-factors involved.
We are set up to give it a great crack.
If people aren't happy with that, they can go
and sulk and be dreary elsewhere.

With this group as a whole? Yeah, I agree.

I think we have close to the best, most balanced list. If we can't jag one before Cripps retires, it'd be a failure in my book.

And by God, does he deserve one. Cripps and Doch need to hold up that cup.

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