Prediction St.Kilda Best 22

[saintmike65]

I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if we aren't ravaged by injury at some stage, so while it's hard leaving some players out, it's nice to have some depth and players who should be able to come in and cover

We’ve been ravaged by injuries the last 2 years…surely we’re due some luck!

 

[saintmike65]

Based on my observations today, I wouldn’t be surprised if Boyd gets a gig.
Further, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him selected for Round One as first ruck.
With Ro’s role being focused around his mobility and marking.
Possibly, Ro and King rotating through FF and CHF.
Or Ro as a classic, old time, ruck rover.
Boyd has a current fitness base of a SANFL ruckman, that will improve over the preseason.
Only Ro, Boyd and Max Heath were involved with ruck specific training.
Each could beat the others, which says something about the three of them.
Ro is not a classic ruck.
Max has improved immensely because this time last year he was being rag dolled.
And Boyd has competitive AFL ruck craft.

What’s more important, Keeler did no ruck specific training.
Make of that what you will.

Boyd wouldn’t be competitive at centre bounces…too short and he has little capacity to jump!
Up against the likes of Gawn, Nankervis, Meek, Grundy, McKinerney etc. he’d be monstered.

 

[ESPN8 The Ocho]

Boyd wouldn’t be competitive at centre bounces…too short and he has little capacity to jump!
Up against the likes of Gawn, Nankervis, Meek, Grundy, McKinerney etc. he’d be monstered.

It’s up to him to show what he can do.

If you take a wider view, this might not just be about one list position or one role.
Maybe the brains trust are of the view that to improve the team as a whole, we need to capitalise on our strengths (Ro’s mobility and marking) and minimise our weaknesses (centre square clearance).

Surely that was the rationale behind trying to recruit Soldo.

Four of the five examples above monster Ro anyway, so I don’t see that as an argument.

Maybe Boyd isn’t up to it.
On the other hand, if he performs at least as well as Ro, and the team then has the benefit of using Ro’s strengths, isn’t the team better off?

You’d need to pick your opponent for this to work.
That’s why I thought Round 1 against Adelaide might be an opportunity.

But, as I said, it’s up to Boyd to prove himself.

*** As an afterthought, if this does prove viable, then it actually would help in the development of the two ruck apprentices. Max Heath would have a clear path to continue his development as the senior ruck at Sandringham, and Dodson can learn his craft as second ruckman/forward without either interfering in the development of the other. If Max outperforms Boyd, all to the good, Boyd plays at Sandringham instead.

*** And, all of this is independent of any other work improving the midfield.

We will know more in the next few weeks I guess.

 

[Sainter1873]

Looking forward to seeing Toby Travalia, Alex Tuaru, James Barrett and Hugh Boxall. Amon Armstrong pairs nicely with O’Connelly. Jack Carol and Jack McRae are nice additions.

Makes for a strong best 22.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Boyd wouldn’t be competitive at centre bounces…too short and he has little capacity to jump!
Up against the likes of Gawn, Nankervis, Meek, Grundy, McKinerney etc. he’d be monstered.

Its funny that you mention Nankervis.

He's 199cm and 103kg's and plays the sort of style that Boyd would need to play. Bit like the way Mumford (198 cm) played. Big bullocky blocking type.

Not saying he can do it but to suggest that you can't play ruck because you are "only" 198 cm is simply wrong.

Boyd averaged 20 possessions, 10 clearances and 40 hitouts a game over the SANFL season which suggests he understands how to be a good ruckman given his body size.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Its funny that you mention Nankervis.

He's 199cm and 103kg's and plays the sort of style that Boyd would need to play. Bit like the way Mumford (198 cm) played. Big bullocky blocking type.

Not saying he can do it but to suggest that you can't play ruck because you are "only" 198 cm is simply wrong.

Boyd averaged 20 possessions, 10 clearances and 40 hitouts a game over the SANFL season which suggests he understands how to be a good ruckman given his body size.

Nankervis can run, mark, jump, is dangerous forward and aggressive. Boyd is nothing like him and I cant believe people get so wound up in his SANFL stats when 300% they won't translate to AFL level. Another kid no one would have heard of is Harry Grant, he won the Margarey last year - what AFL list did he end up on? None again because his physical attributes won't translate to the AFL either.

If he is that good why arent half the AFL all over him? Boyd as an AFL ruckman is akin to 'fools gold's' IMO,

 

[saintmike65]

Its funny that you mention Nankervis.

He's 199cm and 103kg's and plays the sort of style that Boyd would need to play. Bit like the way Mumford (198 cm) played. Big bullocky blocking type.

Not saying he can do it but to suggest that you can't play ruck because you are "only" 198 cm is simply wrong.

Boyd averaged 20 possessions, 10 clearances and 40 hitouts a game over the SANFL season which suggests he understands how to be a good ruckman given his body size.

It’s not simply the guy’s 198cm, combined with a lack of mobility & athletic traits is the issue!!
It’s a massive jump from SANFL to AFL…it’s only a personal opinion but one based on seeing him live at training (which most haven’t), that I believe it’s a waste of a list spot if we pick him up.

 

[saintmike65]

Nankervis can run, mark, jump, is dangerous forward and aggressive. Boyd is nothing like him and I cant believe people get so wound up in his SANFL stats when 300% they won't translate to AFL level. Another kid no one would have heard of is Harry Grant, he won the Margarey last year - what AFL list did he end up on? None again because his physical attributes won't translate to the AFL either.

If he is that good why arent half the AFL all over him? Boyd as an AFL ruckman is akin to 'fools gold's' IMO,

Great summation of big Nank…I’d be throwing the ‘kitchen sink’ at TDK next year, the exact type we need

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Boyd wouldn’t be competitive at centre bounces…too short and he has little capacity to jump!
Up against the likes of Gawn, Nankervis, Meek, Grundy, McKinerney etc. he’d be monstered.

He's similar stats to Nankervis.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Nankervis can run, mark, jump, is dangerous forward and aggressive. Boyd is nothing like him and I cant believe people get so wound up in his SANFL stats when 300% they won't translate to AFL level. Another kid no one would have heard of is Harry Grant, he won the Margarey last year - what AFL list did he end up on? None again because his physical attributes won't translate to the AFL either.

If he is that good why arent half the AFL all over him? Boyd as an AFL ruckman is akin to 'fools gold's' IMO,

Winning the Magarey as a Ruckman is no small feat.

 

[akaifu]

Great summation of big Nank…I’d be throwing the ‘kitchen sink’ at TDK next year, the exact type we need

Wish we got him over the line last year. TDK + Row then TDK + Keeler would be an outrageous duo

 

[pebblesofsand]

Nankervis can run, mark, jump, is dangerous forward and aggressive. Boyd is nothing like him and I cant believe people get so wound up in his SANFL stats when 300% they won't translate to AFL level. Another kid no one would have heard of is Harry Grant, he won the Margarey last year - what AFL list did he end up on? None again because his physical attributes won't translate to the AFL either.

If he is that good why arent half the AFL all over him? Boyd as an AFL ruckman is akin to 'fools gold's' IMO,

Well that self imposed "embargo" from talking about Harry Boyd didn't last very long.

As for being AFL standard, I'd back Boyd to give Heath an absolute bath as a ruckman.

 

[saintmike65]

Winning the Magarey as a Ruckman is no small feat.

I watched Jack Hayes training 3 years ago & was impressed straight away with him…not so with Boyd but very happy to be proven wrong

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Well, if Boyd doesn't work out. There's always Blakiston &or Crossley to try out.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

B. WILKIE CAMINITi  TRAVELLIA

H.B. HASTIE SCHOENMAKER NWM

C. WILSON STEELE HENRY

H.F. GARCIA MARSHALL BUTLER

F. SHARMAN KING HIGGINS

FOLL. HEATH PHILLIPOU SINCLAIR

I/C. JONES, OWENS, WINDHAGER, WOOD, MACRAE-SUB.

EMERG. BOYD, BYRNES, CLARK, HOWARD.

 

[Harvey to Hayes]

B. WILKIE CAMINITi  TRAVELLIA

H.B. HASTIE SCHOENMAKER NWM

C. WILSON STEELE HENRY

H.F. GARCIA MARSHALL BUTLER

F. SHARMAN KING HIGGINS

FOLL. HEATH PHILLIPOU SINCLAIR

I/C. JONES, OWENS, WINDHAGER, WOOD, MACRAE-SUB.

EMERG. BOYD, BYRNES, CLARK, HOWARD.

Macrae sub? Be strange to take on his sizeable salary if we don't think he's best 22

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Macrae sub? Be strange to take on his sizeable salary if we don't think he's best 22

Cash to splash apparently.
Experienced cover for Steele? is all.

 

[akaifu]

Cash to splash apparently.
Experienced cover for Steele? is all.

Macrae is here to re-establish himself as one of the competition's premier midfielders. This has been emphasised by him and Dave Misson (the only spokesperson for our club apparently)

He is not here to be 'cover' for anyone. He never would've left the Dogs if that was the case

 

[SG34]

B. WILKIE CAMINITi  TRAVELLIA

H.B. HASTIE SCHOENMAKER NWM

C. WILSON STEELE HENRY

H.F. GARCIA MARSHALL BUTLER

F. SHARMAN KING HIGGINS

FOLL. HEATH PHILLIPOU SINCLAIR

I/C. JONES, OWENS, WINDHAGER, WOOD, MACRAE-SUB.

EMERG. BOYD, BYRNES, CLARK, HOWARD.

So Hill doesn’t even make emergency?

 

[Banger9798]

B. WILKIE CAMINITi  TRAVELLIA

H.B. HASTIE SCHOENMAKER NWM

C. WILSON STEELE HENRY

H.F. GARCIA MARSHALL BUTLER

F. SHARMAN KING HIGGINS

FOLL. HEATH PHILLIPOU SINCLAIR

I/C. JONES, OWENS, WINDHAGER, WOOD, MACRAE-SUB.

EMERG. BOYD, BYRNES, CLARK, HOWARD.

I see someone else is into acid

 

[Saints4ever]

Looking at our best 22 we have so much B grade depth mixed in with our core A grade stars and our emerging young talent.

I’m really bullish on our list and can’t wait for 2025.

I think we’re covered across the field in most positions the only slight concern I have is CHF and CHB.

I think we have drafted to fix these issues over the coming years but I do have a minor concern over these 2 spots in 2025.

I’m sure Ross has a plan.

Really excited to watch Macrae, Steele, Pou, Garcia smash in.

 

[saintmike65]

B. WILKIE CAMINITi  TRAVELLIA

H.B. HASTIE SCHOENMAKER NWM

C. WILSON STEELE HENRY

H.F. GARCIA MARSHALL BUTLER

F. SHARMAN KING HIGGINS

FOLL. HEATH PHILLIPOU SINCLAIR

I/C. JONES, OWENS, WINDHAGER, WOOD, MACRAE-SUB.

EMERG. BOYD, BYRNES, CLARK, HOWARD.

Now that’s what I call a controversial side: no Hill and a recruit on 800k the sub…very ballsy!!

 

[saintmike65]

Macrae is here to re-establish himself as one of the competition's premier midfielders. This has been emphasised by him and Dave Misson (the only spokesperson for our club apparently)

He is not here to be 'cover' for anyone. He never would've left the Dogs if that was the case

3 all Australian’s says it all…averaging 21.5 games a season for the last decade tells us Macrae is a terrific get!

 

[saintmike65]

Looking forward to seeing Toby Travalia, Alex Tuaru, James Barrett and Hugh Boxall. Amon Armstrong pairs nicely with O’Connelly. Jack Carol and Jack McRae are nice additions.

Makes for a strong best 22.

Always interesting watching the recruits, particularly the draftees…gives us a glimpse into the future

 

[thekizzler]

Looking forward to seeing Toby Travalia, Alex Tuaru, James Barrett and Hugh Boxall. Amon Armstrong pairs nicely with O’Connelly. Jack Carol and Jack McRae are nice additions.

Makes for a strong best 22.

Lol I appreciate this post.

The butchering is never going to end haha.