Except, Ghana already have three points.
Socceroos versus Germany
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Except, Ghana already have three points.
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Ghana have allready won a game. You have them on 0 wins.
i wonder if Graham Arnold would've done a better job today....
f*** me, Verbeek is a worse match-day coach than malthouse.
Does Verbeek think he's displaying the Dutch style of "total football" by playing without a striker?
f*** me, Verbeek is a worse match-day coach than malthouse.
Does Verbeek think he's displaying the Dutch style of "total football" by playing without a striker?
lol that was ****ing dreadful, i took a quick break take a piss and when i came back i thought my mate was taking the piss when he said we werent playing any strikers, but yeah unfortunately not.
I could handle if we were doing everything we could and were just beaten by a better team, but changing the formation after playing the same one the WHOLE qualifying campaign, playing with this new ridiculous high line when we spent the whole QC on the 18 yeard box and using players like garcia, rukahoweveryouspelitvitza and jedinak who hardly got a look in during the QC just made us look unprofessional. No one knew where to go or what to do just embarrassing really.
Cullina is ****en useless as well. Get the ball, stop the ball, slow down the momentum, do some shitty move no one falls for, pretend to look in control and then pass backwards. then repeat about 50 times. Yeah greeaaaaaat player.
I could handle if we were doing everything we could and were just beaten by a better team, but changing the formation after playing the same one the WHOLE qualifying campaign, playing with this new ridiculous high line when we spent the whole QC on the 18 yeard box and using players like garcia, rukahoweveryouspelitvitza and jedinak who hardly got a look in during the QC just made us look unprofessional. No one knew where to go or what to do just embarrassing really.
Cullina is ****en useless as well. Get the ball, stop the ball, slow down the momentum, do some shitty move no one falls for, pretend to look in control and then pass backwards. then repeat about 50 times. Yeah greeaaaaaat player.
i like zelic's comments even if hes a little relaxed they should get him on fox to replace your andy harper types. Kalac on the other hand is a w***er who should STFU.
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That was a complete disaster, where do you begin sifting through the wreckage.
Negatives:
Team selection - It really beggared belief didn't it. Starting Tim Cahill as a lone striker? We've tried that maybe once against Japan? And you pull it out at the World Cup, against Germany? Un****ingbelievable! Pim Verbeek is a numpty and proved it with that selection. He wasted our best attacking threat by playing him in a completely unfamiliar role. Ridiculous.
Formation/Tactics - Again, I think we all know that 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit us and again it showed. We just don't have enough players in the front 3rd of the pitch and when we win the ball there is no outlet up front (especially when Cahill is a lone striker!), so again and again we just have to knock the ball sideways and backwards. I thought Garcia did well to get up there and support in the first half but he's a winger, not a guy who can play up top. As far as the defensive tactics - when you've got a slow ageing backline you don't play a high line against a pacy, young, technically strong, quality opponent. Yet we did, and they exploited it, time and again. It was naivety on an extreme level. As far as the defensive midfield was concerned, they did very little to stop Germany's thrust from midfield and allowed them to spread the ball far too easily to the flanks where they slaughtered us. We have essentially 5 of them in there and they still couldn't stop them.
Leadership - Where was it tonight? Too many senior players were found wanting. I thought our younger brigade were by far our better players. Valeri, Holman, Garcia for me were some of our better performers. Of the senior guys, Emerton had a decent game but that was it. Wilkshire was marginal, has played better but wasn't the worst. Neill had a shocker, spent most of his time whinging at the Ref and Linesman calling for offsides that were never there. Moore got booked doing the same thing. Chipperfield by his standards was terrible, Grella again was rubbish. Culina just wasn't at the races but again was played out of his normal position and had to deal with Lahm.
Mistakes - Schwarzer is usually awesome but he had a poor game tonight, was to blame for the Klose goal, too slow off his line. It didn't help that he had 4 total chumps in front him though.
Brain Explosions - It was never a send off but Tim Cahill was a complete dope to go jumping in from behind like that, sure he tried to pull out but there was no reason to do it. Serious lack of judgement and it's cost us big time.
Positives:
Emerton played OK coming back from injury.
Holman added some pace to our midfield and attack, Rukavytsya did the same.
That's about it.
As disappointing as that was the good thing is that we are not out of this World Cup. The manner of the defeat was not good but let's be honest, did we really expect anything from this game. Germany are one of the best teams in the world, they are on a whole other level of quality compared to us.
Serbia & Ghana on the other hand are more on our level, we are capable of beating them. We still have Kennedy, Kewell and Bresciano to come in to the team which can only help. Hopefully Verbeek will see the stupidity of his formation and selection and play a straight 4-4-2 which suits us far more. Perhaps this defeat will bring the team together and see them come out with the fight and heart that was totally lacking tonight.
Win our next 2 games and we're through, we have to stay positive and support the team despite what has happened tonight. We copped a pasting off the 3 time World Champions, it's happened to better sides than us before.
We need to improve, we can improve, shit, we must improve.
But hey, we can still do it.
Negatives:
Team selection - It really beggared belief didn't it. Starting Tim Cahill as a lone striker? We've tried that maybe once against Japan? And you pull it out at the World Cup, against Germany? Un****ingbelievable! Pim Verbeek is a numpty and proved it with that selection. He wasted our best attacking threat by playing him in a completely unfamiliar role. Ridiculous.
Formation/Tactics - Again, I think we all know that 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit us and again it showed. We just don't have enough players in the front 3rd of the pitch and when we win the ball there is no outlet up front (especially when Cahill is a lone striker!), so again and again we just have to knock the ball sideways and backwards. I thought Garcia did well to get up there and support in the first half but he's a winger, not a guy who can play up top. As far as the defensive tactics - when you've got a slow ageing backline you don't play a high line against a pacy, young, technically strong, quality opponent. Yet we did, and they exploited it, time and again. It was naivety on an extreme level. As far as the defensive midfield was concerned, they did very little to stop Germany's thrust from midfield and allowed them to spread the ball far too easily to the flanks where they slaughtered us. We have essentially 5 of them in there and they still couldn't stop them.
Leadership - Where was it tonight? Too many senior players were found wanting. I thought our younger brigade were by far our better players. Valeri, Holman, Garcia for me were some of our better performers. Of the senior guys, Emerton had a decent game but that was it. Wilkshire was marginal, has played better but wasn't the worst. Neill had a shocker, spent most of his time whinging at the Ref and Linesman calling for offsides that were never there. Moore got booked doing the same thing. Chipperfield by his standards was terrible, Grella again was rubbish. Culina just wasn't at the races but again was played out of his normal position and had to deal with Lahm.
Mistakes - Schwarzer is usually awesome but he had a poor game tonight, was to blame for the Klose goal, too slow off his line. It didn't help that he had 4 total chumps in front him though.
Brain Explosions - It was never a send off but Tim Cahill was a complete dope to go jumping in from behind like that, sure he tried to pull out but there was no reason to do it. Serious lack of judgement and it's cost us big time.
Positives:
Emerton played OK coming back from injury.
Holman added some pace to our midfield and attack, Rukavytsya did the same.
That's about it.
As disappointing as that was the good thing is that we are not out of this World Cup. The manner of the defeat was not good but let's be honest, did we really expect anything from this game. Germany are one of the best teams in the world, they are on a whole other level of quality compared to us.
Serbia & Ghana on the other hand are more on our level, we are capable of beating them. We still have Kennedy, Kewell and Bresciano to come in to the team which can only help. Hopefully Verbeek will see the stupidity of his formation and selection and play a straight 4-4-2 which suits us far more. Perhaps this defeat will bring the team together and see them come out with the fight and heart that was totally lacking tonight.
Win our next 2 games and we're through, we have to stay positive and support the team despite what has happened tonight. We copped a pasting off the 3 time World Champions, it's happened to better sides than us before.
We need to improve, we can improve, shit, we must improve.
But hey, we can still do it.
Now, I don't profess to know much about Football, so anyone feel free to tear this to shreads, but I think we should go in with this line up against Ghana (bolded players = I'm unsure as to their normal/prefered positions):
---------------------------------- Schwartzer (GK) --------------------------------
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----------------------- Moore (CB) ------------ Neil (CB) --------------------------
--------- Carney (RB) ----------------------------------- Wilkshire (LB) -----------
----------------------------------- Grella (CDM) -----------------------------------
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----------------------------------- Culina (CM) ------------------------------------
--------- Emerton (RM) ---------------------------------- Bresciano (LM) ----------
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---------------------------------- Kewell (CAM) ----------------------------------
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---------------------------------- Kennedy (ST) -----------------------------------
At least (as far as I'm aware), this would allow players to play in their positions, and give us a proper chance at scoring - which, lets face it, we have to do now. I thought Chipperfield was one of our worst tonight, ze Germans really showed his lack of pace - and this won't get any better against Ghana; so hopefully Carney can provide some pace there.
Thoughts?
---------------------------------- Schwartzer (GK) --------------------------------
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----------------------- Moore (CB) ------------ Neil (CB) --------------------------
--------- Carney (RB) ----------------------------------- Wilkshire (LB) -----------
----------------------------------- Grella (CDM) -----------------------------------
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----------------------------------- Culina (CM) ------------------------------------
--------- Emerton (RM) ---------------------------------- Bresciano (LM) ----------
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---------------------------------- Kewell (CAM) ----------------------------------
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---------------------------------- Kennedy (ST) -----------------------------------
At least (as far as I'm aware), this would allow players to play in their positions, and give us a proper chance at scoring - which, lets face it, we have to do now. I thought Chipperfield was one of our worst tonight, ze Germans really showed his lack of pace - and this won't get any better against Ghana; so hopefully Carney can provide some pace there.
Thoughts?
LOL BB good to see you still keep your humor somehow after that.
Well said. It's hard to take a loss like that, but it was always going to be the toughest to win. Our mission should we choose to accept it is clear.
Have to be more positive though. Suicidal to be relying on our defence when it's our weakest link. If I can take a positive it's that we did actually go at them early in that second half, til the red card knocked the wind out of our sails.
i thought you missed 2 games if you got a straight red? they must of changed that rule cause it happened to henry in 2002.
and for those complaining about Breciano not playing well thats because he was woeful against the USA.
not to much science to work out where it went wrong, Germany are a few leagues above us and gave us a football lesson, they exploited our pace at the back and not having a world class midfielder is only going to make things worse.
Garcia over Holman? eeewwww
and for those complaining about Breciano not playing well thats because he was woeful against the USA.
not to much science to work out where it went wrong, Germany are a few leagues above us and gave us a football lesson, they exploited our pace at the back and not having a world class midfielder is only going to make things worse.
Garcia over Holman? eeewwww
forgot about Schwarzer nice little run hes got going there in WC's.
And there is no coming back from that, without cahill we'll be lucky to score and their confidence will be shot.
Hello Pim, welcome to the forum.
Haha, nice
Am I anywhere near the mark with the line-up though?
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Something I just thought of, that's not really related to the game:
SBS' coverage needs Damien Lovelock back.
SBS' coverage needs Damien Lovelock back.
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Thought we were terrible tonight, but then again, I expected the Germans to come out firing too. Our defense looked too slow and we were so static when we attacked. So many times we passed it to stationary players whereas the Germans were always looking to pass to moving targets.
Thought Neill had a good game for the Germans though...
Thought Neill had a good game for the Germans though...
Said this way back on page 1, didn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out either
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The embarrassment has gone on long enough, bring them home Frank before they make complete fools out of the rest of us.
Agree 100%
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Pim hasn't changed the 4-2-3-1 formation throughout our qualifying, even tho it's never worked well.
He won't change it now vs Ghana. Will be 1 striker, Jesus or holman.
He won't change it now vs Ghana. Will be 1 striker, Jesus or holman.
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Well that was very painful to watch. After two goals in the first twenty-odd minutes I was holding out for Beer O'Clock at the pub (Can't serve frothies before 5am apparently?).
Now, I'll definitely go against the norm here, but I don't suscribe to the 'Its Pim's Fault' argument. Granted, tactics today were questionable, but I don't think the criticism for Verbeek is justifiable. Yes, our qualification process is easier now, but with the squad we have, he has done a servicable job[/cop out]
In regards to this mornings formation, the only decision I believe Pim got wrong was Garcia over Kennedy. We were obviously going in with a 'Park the Bus' mindset, which is fine by me, but you need an outlet. I didn't see the point of playing a 'floating' forward line with Garcia and Cahill interchanging up front. I don't know whether it was to add some attacking flair, but you can't have it both ways.
As many have pointed out, the biggest WTF moment for me was the Back Four's mentality. The defence has copped a lot of criticism in this thread, and justifiably so. Too slow, too old etc. Unfortunately, they are the best we got. I honestly couldn't fathom the decision to play the offside trap. If you're setting up with a Formation consisting of essentially a lone/no striker, with two defensive midfielders, why on earth would you defend so high up the pitch? Give ze Germans all the space they want in their half, when they penetrate (lol) the middle of the park/forward third, pounce. Back Four, defend deep enough so the likes of Ozil and Klose (wtf I knew you weren't quick Neill but really?) can't outpace you. Anything behind the back four should be Schwarzers (2nd goal was his fault I reckon). The tactic went completely against the premise of the 'Park the Bus' formation.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I am pretty content with Pim's squad selection. If it wasn't for Cahill's brain fade, we should have a full-strength line-up for Saturday. Not playing Kewell was the right decision IMO, and if Kennedy doesn't start against the Ghanains, then I think the Pim-Hate can certainly be justified!
The funniest moment of it all was in the post-match analysis in the studio. I quote Ned Zelic:
The real positive out of this, is that we are still in competition.
Massive LoLz.
Now, I'll definitely go against the norm here, but I don't suscribe to the 'Its Pim's Fault' argument. Granted, tactics today were questionable, but I don't think the criticism for Verbeek is justifiable. Yes, our qualification process is easier now, but with the squad we have, he has done a servicable job[/cop out]
In regards to this mornings formation, the only decision I believe Pim got wrong was Garcia over Kennedy. We were obviously going in with a 'Park the Bus' mindset, which is fine by me, but you need an outlet. I didn't see the point of playing a 'floating' forward line with Garcia and Cahill interchanging up front. I don't know whether it was to add some attacking flair, but you can't have it both ways.
As many have pointed out, the biggest WTF moment for me was the Back Four's mentality. The defence has copped a lot of criticism in this thread, and justifiably so. Too slow, too old etc. Unfortunately, they are the best we got. I honestly couldn't fathom the decision to play the offside trap. If you're setting up with a Formation consisting of essentially a lone/no striker, with two defensive midfielders, why on earth would you defend so high up the pitch? Give ze Germans all the space they want in their half, when they penetrate (lol) the middle of the park/forward third, pounce. Back Four, defend deep enough so the likes of Ozil and Klose (wtf I knew you weren't quick Neill but really?) can't outpace you. Anything behind the back four should be Schwarzers (2nd goal was his fault I reckon). The tactic went completely against the premise of the 'Park the Bus' formation.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I am pretty content with Pim's squad selection. If it wasn't for Cahill's brain fade, we should have a full-strength line-up for Saturday. Not playing Kewell was the right decision IMO, and if Kennedy doesn't start against the Ghanains, then I think the Pim-Hate can certainly be justified!
The funniest moment of it all was in the post-match analysis in the studio. I quote Ned Zelic:
The real positive out of this, is that we are still in competition.
Massive LoLz.
You gotta think you turn it around in the next one. I can't think you lose three in a row. But you guys have really taken a beating verse my boys and the Germans. Pulling for you guys. Don't let me down!
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Such a slow defence has bought us undone in a few of our recent games, you can afford to have 1 older wise head in the back but we need speed in those not so central positions. I suppose i should wait untill we play the next 2 games but ive got to say i prefered guss's way of working them hard and less media, PR and Not pre warning your opposiotion about not underestimating us
That said, I am pleased we tried to attack (albeit out of our depth)...Nothing to lose now must attack now, and we were very unlucky that we got the 1st ref of the games that was card happy (very card happy to be honest) and secondly we were 2 nil down so a penalty was never going to decide the game (we would have lost anyway) so why not pay one that was clearly there?
That said, I am pleased we tried to attack (albeit out of our depth)...Nothing to lose now must attack now, and we were very unlucky that we got the 1st ref of the games that was card happy (very card happy to be honest) and secondly we were 2 nil down so a penalty was never going to decide the game (we would have lost anyway) so why not pay one that was clearly there?
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Thought Klinnsmann made a good observation at half time (on ESPN in the US)- said that the aussies were not doing much running without the ball, and that was why the germans had the advantage- if you look back at that first half, the Germans held the ball a lot about the half way line, hitting probing passes through- if someone managed to make a break- boom- the pass went to the guy and they were away for a great opportunity- if not, they dropped the ball back and tried again- patience, solid ball control.
TYhink the aussies did a bit better in the second half, even with Cahill getting (wrongly) sent off- but it will be one hell of a mountain to climb if they want to make the second round- Ghana look to have enough flair to rip apart the slow back line- and they didn't look overly threatened, excet for a couple of late bursts by Serbia. If australia don't win comfortably, it is probably all over...Germany will probably put their foot on the brake if they are set in top spot for the second round.
TYhink the aussies did a bit better in the second half, even with Cahill getting (wrongly) sent off- but it will be one hell of a mountain to climb if they want to make the second round- Ghana look to have enough flair to rip apart the slow back line- and they didn't look overly threatened, excet for a couple of late bursts by Serbia. If australia don't win comfortably, it is probably all over...Germany will probably put their foot on the brake if they are set in top spot for the second round.
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