Opinion Sack Hinkley 6 - Kochblocked

[Jojay]

Just one loss away to see what the clubs actually thinking.

 

[John the Butcher]

Lol getting rid of the whole sign to avoid it happening again and again, is so David Koch. It's right up there with employing Rucci as his spin merchant.

Isn't there another sign coming from the other side/way of Port Rd?

 

[edgie]

It's our Berlin Wall coming down moment.

MR HINKLEY, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!

Secretary Hinkley: We don't listen to the white noise, Comrade. Don't you remember how Berlin was in 1945?

 

[Grave Danger]

It's Time...

 

[mynameissilver]

Lol getting rid of the whole sign to avoid it happening again and again, is so David Koch. It's right up there with employing Rucci as his spin merchant.

It could be just as simple as not being able to remove the sticker without damaging the existing sign. So it's been taken down to do it properly. Let's see if it goes back up soon.

 

[TeeKray]

There's an easy way to stop the sign getting vandalised again and again.

 

[Capital Power]

There's an easy way to stop the sign getting vandalised again and again.

You mean by painting it with vandal-proof paint?

 

[Janey]

Let's not romanticise Primus's coaching era. He was a good bloke who was in way over his head.

Yes he played youth, but with no discernible structure or gameplan. His match day strategy was to play like the last team that had beaten our match day opponents.

With more resources he would have been a well resourced good bloke who was in way over his head.

Could not fault his character or effort to do his very best for the club, but that's a pretty good summation.

 

[Visenfest]

Hinkley would've been sacked in 2016, or at the very latest 2018, had he been coaching a Victorian club. We aren't meant to be successful.

As much as the media love to claim he saved us, he's a great coach, etc, I don't think they actually believe that. What the industry really thinks will be shown by the lack of AFL level coaching offers he receives post PAFC.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I think we should settle with plastering sack hinkley over the crow corner sign instead.

 

[PowerLil]

Anybody heard from Chris Davies in a while? seems to be off the radar at the min.

Could be busy managing the syndicate.

 

[TeeKray]

With a bit of funding there's a huge amount of potential. You could make it like election advertising, Sack Hinkley posters and signs strategically positioned all over the place. You could have a photo of him sipping Coke Zero, facts and stats about his tenure, would be absolutely amazing.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Wouldn't be hard to throw a bed sheet over the viaduct on Commercial Road in the Port

 

[backtozero]

Hey Ken, it's time to:

 

[Janus]

Of course we now get told by David King that there's only 3 coaches he can remember that survived rebuilds to see success - Clarkson, Hardwick and Hinkley.

Never mind that Hinkley actually didn't do the rebuild and the other 2 did.

Never mind the fact that Clarkson and Hardwick have won 7 premierships between them whilst old mate hasn't even won 7 finals.

It's like living in a parallel universe. How is there literally nobody in football who can see what a loser this guy is?

It sure is like living in a parallel universe - the bizzaro world that you inhabit and the real one that actually exists.

Clarkson came into Hawthorn in the 2005 season with a list that included:

Trent Croad
Sam Mitchell
Luke Hodge (PP)
Lance Franklin
Jarryd Roughead (PP)
Jordan Lewis
Chance Bateman
Mark Williams
Shane Crawford
Robert Campbell
Rick Ladson
Michael Osborne
Campbell Brown
Brad Sewell
Clinton Young

Then they added in the 2005 draft:

Xavier Ellis (PP)
Grant Birchall

Drafted and traded for the following in 2006:

Brent Renouf
Stephen Gilham
Brent Guerra

And then added for 2008:

Stuart Dew
Cyril Rioli

All of these players were in Clarkson's best 22 for the 2008 flag. The guys in bold stuck around for at least one more flag. I'm sorry, but when 15 of your players are already there when you win a flag, and ten of the players that were on your list in 2008 were young enough to win another flag in five years time...you didn't do shit to rebuild the side. It was more of a renovation.

Now let's do the same with Hardwick, who coached his first game for Richmond in 2010. He is actually closer to a rebuild, but he still had a solid nucleus of players to work with when he arrived. On his list at that point in time, he had:

Alex Rance
Trent Cotchin
Dylan Grimes
Dustin Martin
Shane Edwards
Jack Reiwoldt
David Astbury

In 2011, he had added:

Bachar Houli
Shaun Grigg
Brandon Ellis

2012:

Nick Vlastuin
Kamdyn McIntosh

He also lucked into getting both Dion Prestia and Josh Caddy who were older players from other clubs before the 2017 season.

The only players who remain on our list from when Hinkley took over for the 2013 season are Boak, Gray, Jonas, Clurey and Wines. We didn't get the priority picks or the access to players that these two clubs did to rebuild the list properly when Hinkley took over due to the addition of Gold Coast and GWS to the competition, and it showed in the performances of the team. There was no premiership in the list that Ken inherited in 2012. But there was also nothing that could be done about the state of the list because we didn't have the collateral needed to improve it - no one wanted our second tier players so we couldn't get the picks.

 

[Lagooner]

I think we should settle with plastering sack hinkley over the crow corner sign instead.

We need 20 minutes inside the Adelaide Oval scoreboard.

 

[Ilias M]

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’s full chat on Rowey’s Sports Show: INTERVIEW: Mark Bickley

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- 25 July 2022 - Rowey’s Sports Show

 

[PAFC27]

No expense will be spared to track down this dangerous criminal

 

[Rising Power]

All I keep hearing from the Hinkley apologists is "you were on your knees" when he arrived and "he got you up off the canvas". So 10 years later, he deserves to stay? When does his reward for the resurrection of our club expire exactly?

If he stays next year, the cycle continues, i.e. we make the finals, 2 year extension, miss finals, make finals, 2 year extension and so on and so forth. I don't want that.

 

[edgie]

Back Hinkley
Sack Hinkley
Crack Hinkley

 

[chiwigi]

Yeah but it's more than that. The media don't go after non Victorian coaches as aggressively but they do eventually. It's been 10 years. The good old country Victorian bloke image doesn't help, nor do the high number of ex Geelong players and supporters in the media, nor does the biggest shock jock in the game being a former player whose brother is employed by Hinkley.

In the end though it's the same as the PB issue. We can blame other parties all we want but we only have ourselves to blame.

The Geelong part of the control of the the AFL is so frigging weird.

More proof that the AFL is basically VicGov.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Mark Bickley’s full chat on Rowey’s Sports Show: INTERVIEW: Mark Bickley - 25 July 2022 - Rowey’s Sports Show
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Shying away is actually this club's speciality

 

[Ilias M]

Podcaster need to grow a pair

 

[MrPlow]

It sure is like living in a parallel universe - the bizzaro world that you inhabit and the real one that actually exists.

Clarkson came into Hawthorn in the 2005 season with a list that included:

Trent Croad
Sam Mitchell
Luke Hodge (PP)
Lance Franklin
Jarryd Roughead (PP)
Jordan Lewis
Chance Bateman
Mark Williams
Shane Crawford
Robert Campbell
Rick Ladson
Michael Osborne
Campbell Brown
Brad Sewell
Clinton Young

Then they added in the 2005 draft:

Xavier Ellis (PP)
Grant Birchall

Drafted and traded for the following in 2006:

Brent Renouf
Stephen Gilham
Brent Guerra

And then added for 2008:

Stuart Dew
Cyril Rioli

All of these players were in Clarkson's best 22 for the 2008 flag. The guys in bold stuck around for at least one more flag. I'm sorry, but when 15 of your players are already there when you win a flag, and ten of the players that were on your list in 2008 were young enough to win another flag in five years time...you didn't do s**t to rebuild the side. It was more of a renovation.

Now let's do the same with Hardwick, who coached his first game for Richmond in 2010. He is actually closer to a rebuild, but he still had a solid nucleus of players to work with when he arrived. On his list at that point in time, he had:

Alex Rance
Trent Cotchin
Dylan Grimes
Dustin Martin
Shane Edwards
Jack Reiwoldt
David Astbury

In 2011, he had added:

Bachar Houli
Shaun Grigg
Brandon Ellis

2012:

Nick Vlastuin
Kamdyn McIntosh

He also lucked into getting both Dion Prestia and Josh Caddy who were older players from other clubs before the 2017 season.

The only players who remain on our list from when Hinkley took over for the 2013 season are Boak, Gray, Clurey and Wines. We didn't get the priority picks or the access to players that these two clubs did to rebuild the list properly when Hinkley took over due to the addition of Gold Coast and GWS to the competition, and it showed in the performances of the team. There was no premiership in the list that Ken inherited in 2012. But there was also nothing that could be done about the state of the list because we didn't have the collateral needed to improve it - no one wanted our second tier players so we couldn't get the picks.

Acknowledge your point but Ken has had 10 years to draft or recruit a premiership caliber team.

If the club is blaming the players for our losses then isn’t that an indictment on the coach and recruiting department for not picking the right ones over the past decade?

Also, our list wasn’t too far off when Ken came on board. Peak Schulz, Boak, Wingard, Gray, Westhoff, Ebert and Monfries plus a young Wines and could have beens Hartlett and Trengove. The core was there with enough second class talent in players like Lobbe, White and Hombsch.

It’s easy to forget the quality we had when it was a decade ago.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

Podcaster need to grow a pair

Grow a pear