Autopsy Roast & Toast v Fremantle & Changes For Gold Coast

[captain cotch 9]

Ross has been disappointing

 

[Tigerandy63]

1 goal, 2 pts after the 8 minute mark of the 2nd quarter is just deplorable. We turned up our toes in a shocking effort. They embarrassed the jumper today. I feel bad for those who travelled to Adelaide.

 

[tiger_tough]

20pos, 11 contested. 1 Turnover. 4 stoppage clearances. Not bad really.

The turnover stats are bulldust. He coughed up 2 handballs in a row at stoppage direct to Freo players that led to a goal and a centre clearance/inside 50, then I checked his turnovers straight away and neither registered.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Trainor is a player. I hope he keeps going for his kicks rather than be turned into a bland footballer like everyone on here seems to want.

Our pressure was good but as soon as it declined in the heat we got smashed. We got overrun in the contest and it sucked out players to ball

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

I know how to find you.

Looking for ice-cream in your fridge!

 

[Rubber Hips]

Good signs Smils

 

[A Tiger 4 lyf]

Filthy MRJ robbed of GOTY

 

[Chomp12]

Did notice a few turn overs but think some of that was just better positioning by the Freo team who obviously had more experience in that department and were very well drilled as a defensive group

Think Brown has been given some licence to go for some more risky kicks as well, we saw some of them come off really well especially in the 1st half that really opened up some corridor attacking chains but when they don’t come off it generally ends up as a scoring shot for the other side instead of kicking down the line that is safer but we don’t notice as much if it doesn’t work out kinda thing

Think his contest work is improving quite well overall

I agree with his contests, I said last week I thought it was the best defensive game I’d seen him play. He’s on a good trajectory

 

[Chomp12]

I wouldn't. Much rather Trainor make those mistakes at being ambitious with his kicking so he learns his limits through experience rather than immediately limiting what he can do by telling him not to be ambitious, cause then it becomes mixed messages.

"Take on those kicks, but learn when you mess up"

vs

"Don't be too ambitious with your kicks, but we still want you to be dangerous by foot"

I get that, it’s a fine line
But it’s been costly in the last few weeks

 

[theflea#3]

Had a chance to digest the game along with 12 stubbies and fluctuating between anger and philosophical, with a bent to the philosophical. The umpiring at the start of quarter 3 was deplorable and bled the momentum out of us. Been there and it’s a horrible place. Some sub-par efforts ensued which need addressing but with some level understanding.
Love Trainor - couldn’t give a fk about his fk ups now as he’s cracking in and already bleeds yellow & black. His execution will evolve.
Been a Sonsie disciple but he’s not up to it sadly. Tresize, Ross, Dow also not going to make it.
Short should never play again
Fk we miss Lalor…

 

[Bojangles17]

1 goal, 2 pts after the 8 minute mark of the 2nd quarter is just deplorable. We turned up our toes in a shocking effort. They embarrassed the jumper today. I feel bad for those who travelled to Adelaide.

What a shithouse take , if we scored 3g for the game and lost by 130p you might be right , we didn’t , we’re a rebuilding side up against a finals bound side , wtf you expect , a win , get a grip

 

[JustTheTonic]

Anyone potting Dow is doing so out of habit and cause they want an easy out.

He is absolutely not the issue, has been working well in close and one of our better and more consistent defensive players.

Is he the long term answer? Probably not.

But trying to pin it on him is ridiculous

He is not "the issue". We have many issues. Not pinning it just on him. 1/3 the team is not great (being kind), but many have potential upside.

Dow is part of a midfield that gets torched most if not every week, and his tackle numbers are very modest at best (so don't see the defensive consistency)! 70% of his disposals are handballs, relatively high rate of costly turnovers, never gathers breaks and hits someone lace out inside 50 and never kicks a goal (y'know, like a quality mid).
I can't see how he is not the worst of Taranto, Hopper and himself? And our midfield sucks at present. No?

I respect the bloke for trying hard, cracking in, playing for Richmond and having improved a little bit over the last few years... and does some good things sometimes (although generally limited to gather then handball).

He's 1000x the man I am sitting behind a keyboard / on the couch. But imho, with all respect to the man... he's a 5/10 midfielder at best. Has the very occasional 7/10 qtr but more of 3 and 4 out of 10 qtrs. Some 2/10 (like Qtr 1 today).

I want kids with more upside to play instead. More dash. More angry s**t in him, more goals, more kicks, more silk.
He does not lack for ticker / effort. That's not the issue. I want more than a 5/10er for a midfielder.

Trainer and Lalor have already shown they "got that something". Smillie great in a half in the VFL today. Super exciting / upside. Don't think Dow does, have seen enough. Ditto Sonsie. Colina don't even start me.

Not an "easy out". Not easy to watch every week. Totally understand it's going to take time for it all to change, but change it must.

 

[Tigerandy63]

What a shithouse take , if we scored 3g for the game and lost by 130p you might be right , we didn’t , we’re a rebuilding side up against a finals bound side , wtf you expect , a win , get a grip

If you’re satisfied with the effort after half time, that’s entirely up to you. To me, effort is non negotiable.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

If Ross, Banks or Sonsie play next week then Yze can pee off

 

[sabso]

Barossa looked like a decent quality track, shame it’s in the middle of nowhere and massively exposed to the heat.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Sonsie is soft in the contest and won’t put his head over the ball. I struggle to understand why people want him to be played in the middle? What’s going to change from the wing to the middle? Does he suddenly stop shirking contact, because there will be more bodies coming at him if he wants to play on board.

 

[The Mighty]

What this side needs

OUT ROSS, DOW, SONSIE, BANKS, SHORT

 

[Thrasher97]

Umps turned it around after Shorty ran into the campaigner

 

[guruisatiger]

so you want Hopper and Taranto out
but Short stays in the team.
crazy talk

I really couldn't give a fats rats toss bag who's in or out.20 goal drubbing next week

 

[Truetiger]

If Ross, Banks or Sonsie play next week then Yze can pee off

You do realise he doesn’t pick the team himself yes.

 

[SA_Tiger11]

What this side needs

OUT ROSS, DOW, SONSIE, BANKS, SHORT

And who is coming In?

You’re a nuffbag.

 

[Baltastan]

Anyone who is shit canning dow after that performance is just looking for an easy way out, far from our worst player today.

 

[Wrenny]

In: Lalor Balta
Out: Sonsie Bauer

B: Trainor Miller Broad
HB: Vlastuin Balta Brown
C: Banks Taranto Ralphsmith
HF: Campbell Green MRJ
F: Faull Lynch Lalor
Foll: Nankervis Hopper Ross
Int: Short Blight McIntosh Dow
Sub: Tresize

 

[Daka]

In: Lalor Balta
Out: Sonsie Bauer

B: Trainor Miller Broad
HB: Vlastuin Balta Brown
C: Banks Taranto Ralphsmith
HF: Campbell Green MRJ
F: Faull Lynch Lalor
Foll: Nankervis Hopper Ross
Int: Short Blight McIntosh Dow
Sub: Tresize

Is Lalor's injury managed load/hip injury or an actual injury?

 

[fleabitten]

I think some of you have massively unrealistic expectations of where we are at. That was a good performance today on the whole. Very competitive first half, then melted in the heat under extreme pressure from a much more experienced team that is looking to contend for flags.