Review R3: The Good, Bad and Ugly vs. North Melbourne

[Slippery Pete]

What’s happened with Sheezel this year.

Thought you said Cheezel for a minute there. Still having nightmares.

 

[Mutineer]

Where was he playing last year? Of half back wasn’t he?

Yep

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SNAPSHOT: “Arguably the best performed forward in this year’s draft crop, Sheezel has consistently impressed at all levels of football with his elite forward craft and goal sense.”

As an AFL Academy Squad member, Sheezel was already highly touted for his goalkicking nous and impact coming into the year. Though, he pushed himself into the top rung of prospects with consistent performances at the NAB League and Under 18 National Championships levels, finishing the year with 36 and eight goals in either competition respectively. Though not the most athletic prospect in the pool, Sheezel’s innate instincts inside attacking 50 have seen him find the goals, or set them up for teammates, through neat disposal and keen decision making, earning him comparison’s to former West Coast forward Mark LeCras.

 

[FR0GGY]

Thought you said Cheezel for a minute there. Still having nightmares.

I’m guessing you didn’t roll out of bed this morning.

 

[Scorpus]

What’s happened with Sheezel this year. Ranked 23rd, 23rd and 22nd in matches this year.

This is the problem you get when a team spends years only drafting midfielders

 

[FR0GGY]

This is the problem you get when a team spends years only drafting midfielders

Surely he’s the top of the pile though

 

[119others]

Problem is Suns have 2 202cm monster forwards, and King is very quick on the lead, not to mention the 195cm absolute brutish Jed Walter, we'll need to at least break even in the midfield to be a chance IMO and that will be no mean task with the 208cm Jarrod Witts with Rowell, Anderson, Miller at his feet as well as Flanders, Humphrey who usually have a run on ball at times.

Bucketload of talent and only going to get much better this year with 2 x first rounders inc Powers likely top 6-7 pick. And their 3 likely first round academy kids

Kane said this morning they will win at least 2 flags in the next 5 years and could win it this year. The one team that could cause us lots of deep September pain over coming years

 

[Scorpus]

Surely he’s the top of the pile though

It looks like they're trying to give a spread to a lot of players rather then focusing on who is best in the midfield

All of LDU, Powell, Phillips, Simpkin and Sheezel got CBAs - plus Parker who they recruited. Then on top of that, McKercher and O'Sullivan are also mids but playing elsewhere, and Wardlaw is injured.

There's quality there but also too many of the same types. Do they really need to play both Powell and Phillips? And Parker in there plus both of those guys?

 

[BRL121]

Just once I want him to protest over the loud speaker

“Nope, sorry. Not clear enough. Get better technology”

The main problem, also picked up by the commentators, is the confident lies that thay tell when justifying their decision.
It's worse this year. Normally, with crap footage, they would say that there was no definitive evidence and revert to the goal ump's decision. Now, their form of words is "looking at those angles (even with no angles involved) it is clear that the ball deviates (or is touched by the defender)", even with crap blurry footage where it is clearly a lie.

Saying something often enough makes it true.

 

[n4sir]

Two little things from yesterday .....

THE FUTURE - on display
Third quarter highlight - Curtin beats three NM players to gather ball, dribble kick to Thillthorpe who handballs to Draper - GOAL

That was the highlight of the day for me, especially as it happened right in front of where I was seated. Just brilliant commitment and effort by the boys... and man, doesn't Draper have elite speed!

The other was in the second quarter just after Draper came on, and he had a crucial hard ball get the outside of the centre square to get it to Peatling, who then continued the chain of play-ons until we ran in for an easy goal. But without that effort of Draper's it wouldn't have happened - both players were charging in hard and he knew he was going to get crunched, paid the price, but it resulted in a major score. Hopefully that one also makes the team review highlight package.

At the end of the game I was surprised about the 36 point margin, because it felt like a slog all day. There was just non-stop pressure from both teams, and while I wouldn't call it ugly, it just wasn't as free flowing as the first two weeks. We were never really threatened, but I never thought we would run away with it either. Clarkson and North Melbourne deserve a fair bit of credit for that - they've recruited well and are starting to gel as a group, and can't be thought of as easybeats anymore. They will keep teams honest this year, and will win quite a few games when teams aren't.

While it didn't seem that hot, the conditions did seem to play a role too - we were making a lot of interchanges early in the quarters, and by the end had players like Cumming, Dawson & Soligo cramping up on the ground, and everyone bent over gasping after the final siren. I haven't checked the stats, but I got the impression Fog was subsituted the least of our tall forwards and spent the most time out there (working his ass off doing it): between that and early hit he copped, you could tell he was sore, gassed and frustrated, especially in the last quarter. I'd keep Tex in the side for the trip to the Gold Coast, and rotate him and Fog a bit more to keep them both fresh, especially if it's humid.

Soligo BOG for me. Thillthorpe is a beast. Max as solid as ever. Rankine, Worrell, Hinge, Keays, Peatling all had stand out games. Laird was a little patchy very early, but worked his way into it to be in our best. ROB too, although for the smartest guy off the field to make some of the dumbest choices on it is still madenning! Tex wound back the clock for his best game of the year. Fog battled hard, and while not a lot went his way he still contributed mightily. ANB had a bit of a mixed bag, but it's still a million times better than Smurph or McNugget. Dawson wore the hard tag all day, Crouch also found it hard going but was OK.

Draper will be a star - hopefully this game was enough so he will start next week, and someone else not named Dan Curtin is the sub. Curtin's highlight reel is growing, and at the moment his "plug and play" role is suiting his versatilty, be it going to a wing when Cumming (I'm not sure he's fully fit) is rotated off, or into the forward line when one of our talls are rotated off.

As for the negatives from yesterday - first up, Milera was very poor all game. If he's still in the team to play the Suns, he has to get the message that a repeat of it is not acceptable and there are guys like Nank and Bond ready to step in. Keane is not the guy we want isolated as a lockdown defender, and again he looked lost and played badly when exposed in that situation - the end result wasn't quite as bad as the Amartey disaster, but Larkey is a great up and coming player, and still made him pay for it. Given the choice I'd rather have Butts in that role for Borlase, to free up Keane to share the intercept role with Worrell & Max.

Rachele's injury is in the ugly category. Hopefully it's 99% precaution and not too serious - at least we are showing a genuine duty of care, which should be the norm after the Petracca debacle last year. (Update - he has three fractured ribs, expected to miss 4-6 weeks).

Finally, have the rules changed so the Umps don't have to recall bounces outside the centre circle? It was a real amateur hour display from the maggots out there.

 

[Slippery Pete]

The main problem, also picked up by the commentators, is the confident lies that thay tell when justifying their decision.
It's worse this year. Normally, with crap footage, they would say that there was no definitive evidence and revert to the goal ump's decision. Now, their form of words is "looking at those angles (even with no angles involved) it is clear that the ball deviates (or is touched by the defender)", even with crap blurry footage where it is clearly a lie.

Saying something often enough makes it true.

I’m continually gobsmacked by this. You are spot on.

 

[StonesThrow]

I would rather live with human error than put up with the current state of the video umpire. It’s a f*cking embarrassment to the sport.

What about if we have both? Rely on the stupid umpire and have the shitty technology there doing nothing (aka Ben Keays goal).

 

[Captain Furious]

Good: Midfield depth, Dawson and Crouch have quiet ones, Soligo, Rankine and Peatling step up. Quality group. Will be severely tested this week.

Bad(ass): Tex and Laird, carried a forward line and midfield through an aggressive rebuild during the prime of their careers. Stuck it out and did the hard yards, now both can play with some freedom in roles that suit them better. Both made an error or two yesterday but were generally outstanding. Deserve some success.

Ugly: Larkey is a gun and kicking 4 on Keane is no big deal but he looks a bit lacking in confidence right now - has taken 1 mark total in the last two games. He’s our 5th best key back defensively so getting 4 touches and no marks while giving away his normal suite of free kicks and acting it up is concerning. Ideally we don’t play Borlase and Butts together, both do great jobs defensively but don’t offer much offence. But if Keane offers neither…he’ll get every chance to find form but definitely a watch.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Just regarding comments about whether ROB beat X or not. I thought ROB was serviceable - and I’m one of his biggest detractors.

But I also agree with Dunstall’s philosophy on ruckman. Do not invest huge capital in your ruck. Your money should be deployed in the midfield and forwards.

Look at what clubs do with their most talented 200cm + players - they play them forward, not in the ruck.

 

[Pugsley]

Ugly: Feel sorry for anyone who had to listen to BT

I yelled at the screen at him.and Riewoldt.

 

[Pugsley]

Didn’t they stop the game for the Daicos cramping?


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But that's different

 

[spenze]

Fog said immediately that it had hit the post. Like walking in cricket - that should be enough, no need for a formal review, get on with the game.

Nah, it was funny when Jenkins thought it hit the post but was over ruled in the Showdown

 

[ftmch]

The holding the ball against him was a total raffle though. Immediately preceded by several other rolls of the dice on tackles, and the worlds most random adjudication of a 15m kick.

It's like they flipped a coin 5 times in a row, came up with north every time and then went "well then! That deserves a goal".



However he was not great when he needed to tackle. Parker just threw him off and they got a goal from it. Can't be having that.

Yeah agreed - the htb was not on him at all (just an all round shit call)

 

[ftmch]

He was brilliant against North.

Felt he was underwhelming without being bad the first two games.

Round 3: 7 Marks, 6 score involvements, 8 intercepts, 512 Metres gained, 8 Rebound 50's.

Rounds 1&2 combined: 7 Marks, 8 score involvements, 9 intercepts, 463 metres gained, 5 rebound 50's.

Underwhelming (not good, not bad) is a good descriptor for his rd 1 game, but I felt he was great last week as well. Hit the contest really hard and made his presence felt. Very clean also.

He's turned into a really good pickup for us

 

[Slippery Pete]

Fog said immediately that it had hit the post. Like walking in cricket - that should be enough, no need for a formal review, get on with the game.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Nah, it was funny when Jenkins thought it hit the post but was over ruled in the Showdown

He was an idiot for admitting that too.

 

[Pugsley]

He was an idiot for admitting that too.

His grandma wouldn't have been happy.

 

[Bob Neil]

See attached Wheelo Player ratings from the game...always interesting to compare these to raw disposal numbers, coaches votes, media, etc. I think they're a pretty good indicator as to the 'real value' of a player in a game. By this measure it was Thilthorpe BOG followed by Simpkin, Peatling, Hinge, Keays and Rankine which I find it hard to argue with.

AFL Match Stats

AFL Match Stats

www.wheeloratings.com

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The main problem, also picked up by the commentators, is the confident lies that thay tell when justifying their decision.
It's worse this year. Normally, with crap footage, they would say that there was no definitive evidence and revert to the goal ump's decision. Now, their form of words is "looking at those angles (even with no angles involved) it is clear that the ball deviates (or is touched by the defender)", even with crap blurry footage where it is clearly a lie.

Saying something often enough makes it true.

"Oh, he must have some vision from different angles that we can't see."

 

[Crow-eater]

It looks like they're trying to give a spread to a lot of players rather then focusing on who is best in the midfield

All of LDU, Powell, Phillips, Simpkin and Sheezel got CBAs - plus Parker who they recruited. Then on top of that, McKercher and O'Sullivan are also mids but playing elsewhere, and Wardlaw is injured.

There's quality there but also too many of the same types. Do they really need to play both Powell and Phillips? And Parker in there plus both of those guys?

Other than Logan McDonald in 2020 that they overlooked, have there been any highly rated KPP to actually pick though? At the pointy end you kinda have to go best available.

 

[Scorpus]

Other than Logan McDonald in 2020 that they overlooked, have there been any highly rated KPP to actually pick though? At the pointy end you kinda have to go best available.

Should have orchestrated some trades.

Other than that they could have taken Dan Curtin or Nate Caddy instead of McKercher/Duursma

They'd look a lot more balanced with Logan McDonald and Dan Curtin instead of Will Phillips and one of the above