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[CrowBloke]

Except for TT

I was thinking same, except this is true:

Too good up forward

He is unbelievably good forward and will get better, which is scary good for us (though maybe not while we still have Nicks).
There's got to be a way to get RoB to ruck @ most CB's, then just stay out of the ****ing way and not block or collide with our players. In fact, I'd tell RoB to never be seen forward of centre, where Thilthorpe and Tex can share ruck duties. He could stay a kick behind the play to intercept mark any kicks coming out of our F50.
Wait.
He doesn't take contested marks, so we're screwed.
Apparently McAndrew is not good enough yet for AFL. Yep. We're screwed.

 

[Cromulant]

I’ve never seen Hogan kick a goal from outside the 50 on his opposite leg..

This is true

Haven't seen many do that.

 

[MrBarry]

None of them are better than Jesse Hogan, lets be honest that guy is a monster.

And their defence is much better than the one we faced last night.

Walker/RT/Fog are all as damaging as him.

 

[Cromulant]

Walker/RT/Fog are all as damaging as him.

All 3 are VERY good, but none are as good individually

 

[spenze]

All 3 are VERY good, but none are as good individually

Hogan signs your cap one time, once and this is the length you go to defend him?

 

[spenze]

To be fair. There are not many Rehns anymore who can ruck and play like a midfielder

To be fair, it is not the 80s anymore and rucks like Rob just aren't acceptable. Last night he went for a mark in a contest, missed it and walked forward, not looking back. Sad thing was, the ball was spilled ( and to be fair, there was no ****ing way Rob was getting a ****ing ball off the ground without a twenty minute head start) but his opponent was able to pick the ball up under no pressure because his opponent (Rob) wouldn't turn, the ****, around.

People can keep saying McAndrew or Strachan are not the answer but the simple fact is Rob isn't either and we need to stop using him as a crutch. Just stop playing the guy, he is a huge liability at AFL level.

 

[AFC979810]

That is absolute rubbish. Cumming has been the quiet achiever, rarely making mistakes, and with an elite penetrating kick that he troubles to direct to teammates. Without his kicking last night, we would have scored far fewer goals.

I can appreciate how you might miss this, since he is undemonstrative, but I suggest rewatching the game and keeping an eye on him.

How is what I said rubbish? The poster said that having Cumming / Dawson on the wing would mean we have two elite wingers.

I said Cumming wasn't elite. You then said it's rubbish and he is a quiet achiever. Didn't know quiet achievers could be considered elite.

Sure he did a few nice things. He is a beautiful kick and uses the ball well (which he should since the majority of his touches are uncontested possessions).

Look there is a long way to go with Cumming. It's just we gave a massive 6 year deal to a 'quiet achiever' who is 27 and his two best seasons were when he was played across half back (not the wing).

Have any of our players performed well in the wing role this year?

Cumming would be miles ahead of Sholl so far if we're comparing the main ones. Just doesn't seem like our gameplan uses them well

Miles ahead of Sholl so far? I don't think so. I think Cumming is much better defensively, but with ball in hand they have been almost identical

But your point about wingers not performing is really valid. We haven't had anyone dominate on a wing since Seedsman in 2021.

Which I guess makes it a very apt discussion point:

Seedsman in 2021 - 26 touches, 72.6% DE, 600 metres gained, 5.7 I50's, 2.8 R50's.

Cumming in 2025 - 14 touches, 73.6% DE, 266 metres gained, 1.8 I50's, 1.4 R50's.

The deeper question is why we are giving out massive 6 year contracts to lure players that play in positions that our gameplan doesn't value.

 

[huludicidal]

Out:
Peatling (susp), O’Brien, Sholl

In:
N Murray, McAndrew, Dowling

Sub:
Draper


Emg:
Butts, Ryan, Edwards


Notes:
1) If Murray doesn’t get up, Butts replaces him

2) There is no need to drop Keane or Worrell to get one of Butts or Murray into the side. We dropped Borlase and replaced him with Nankervis against a smaller and more nimble than average forward line. The combination of Nank and Dowling can take Sholl’s wing spot. We need an extra big back there who can actually defend.

3) Milera only survives because I thought we legitimately had 14-15 guys who played worse than him against Geelong.

4) I can’t believe I’m typing this because I am a huge fan, but Worrell should be pretty close to being dropped. Has been consistently atrocious for a month.

5) Crouch would want to actually turn up next week or he will find himself under the microscope.

6) Probably an unpopular opinion, but I don’t see a future at the club for Pedlar. His disposal is as bad as anyone I can recall, he is made of glass and his position has been taken by ANB.

7) Z Taylor must start in the 22.

8) If Murphy comes in for Peatling I’m just straight up not watching the game.

 

[AFC979810]

Outs: Peatling (Susp), Milera.

Ins: Butts, Pedlar

My team would look like this:

FB: Max Butts Worrell
HB: Cumming Keane Hinge
C: Dawson Soligo Nankervis
HF: ANB Fog Keays
FF: Pedlar, TT, Walker
FOL: Rob, Crouch, Rankine.

I/C: Laird, Draper, Curtin, Taylor
Sub: Sholl

Crouch, Rankine, Soligo, Taylor to be main 4 for CBA's. Cumming goes to his natural position as a rebounding defender. Pedlar takes the Rachele role. Taylor takes Peatlings spot in the middle.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Outs: Peatling (Susp), Milera.

Ins: Butts, Pedlar

My team would look like this:

FB: Max Butts Worrell
HB: Cumming Keane Hinge
C: Dawson Soligo Nankervis
HF: ANB Fog Keays
FF: Pedlar, TT, Walker
FOL: Rob, Crouch, Rankine.

I/C: Laird, Draper, Curtin, Taylor
Sub: Sholl

Crouch, Rankine, Soligo, Taylor to be main 4 for CBA's. Cumming goes to his natural position as a rebounding defender. Pedlar takes the Rachele role. Taylor takes Peatlings spot in the middle.

You’re not dropping ROB after 2 poor games?

 

[AFC979810]

You’re not dropping ROB after 2 poor games?

Not just yet. Didnt think he was that bad against Witts. Thought he easily beat Xerri in RD 3 and was good against weak opponents in round 1/2.

Had a shocker against Geelong, but wasn't alone.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Not just yet. Didnt think he was that bad against Witts. Thought he easily beat Xerri in RD 3 and was good against weak opponents in round 1/2.

Had a shocker against Geelong, but wasn't alone.

I thought Witts easily beat him. More disposals and hit outs.

ROB had 5 disposals against Gold Coast and we looked better when TT went in the ruck.

ROB and Xerri were lineball, he didn’t easily beat him, he broke even.

 

[adelaidecrows]

I thought Witts easily beat him. More disposals and hit outs.

ROB had 5 disposals against Gold Coast and we looked better when TT went in the ruck.

ROB and Xerri were lineball, he didn’t easily beat him, he broke even.

it could be well worth selecting Lachie Mac for a few games. id like to see some experimentation. allows us to hit finals with our best side.

 

[AFC979810]

I thought Witts easily beat him. More disposals and hit outs.

Disagree. Thought ROB got the better of him in the Ruck. Witts did get more disposals, but had little impact around the ground.

ROB had 5 disposals against Gold Coast and we looked better when TT went in the ruck.

Thats a good thing. All I want ROB to do is win/draw even in the ruck then touch the ball as little as possible.

ROB and Xerri were lineball, he didn’t easily beat him, he broke even.

Disagree here, but even still Xerri and Witts are two of the 3 best ruckman in the league (alongside Gawn). He did well against them in his matchups against them in week 3 & 4.

 

[1970crow]

Agree with your comments, he's just not impacting in the middle. 2 clearances is not good enough, moved to HB

Hold on a second, isn’t it Crouch’s job to win first possession and feed the guys like Dawson? He had 6 last week against the apparent best clearance group in the comp. Wonder what changed?

 

[George CantStandYa]

Disagree. Thought ROB got the better of him in the Ruck. Witts did get more disposals, but had little impact around the ground.




Thats a good thing. All I want ROB to do is win/draw even in the ruck then touch the ball as little as possible.




Disagree here, but even still Xerri and Witts are two of the 3 best ruckman in the league (alongside Gawn). He did well against them in his matchups against them in week 3 & 4.

ROB got the better of Witts in the ruck even with less hit outs?? Witt’s had little impact around the ground? Witt’s had 8 score involvements from 14 possessions, of which 8 were contested possessions. ROB had zero score involvements from his 5 possessions, 1 contested.

And the fact you’re happy with ROB only getting 5 possessions says it all doesn’t it? He’s that bad you don’t want him touching the ball meanwhile we’ve got ruckman around the league not only decent at hit outs but good around the ground.

Very low bar you’re setting for our lead ruck.

 

[1970crow]

Jesse Hogan is gonna kick 6+ goals

Apologies if this has been asked, which board are you a spec moderator on?

 

[1970crow]

I don't think Cumming has been anything close to elite on the Wing.

We gave him a massive 6 year deal and he has come in and averages 14 disposals and has not been damaging at all. He has done a few nice things, but has had very little impact so far.

He played his best footy as a rebounding defender with the Giants and he isn't performing well on the wing for us.

Get out Milera, move Nank up the ground and put Cumming at Half Back across from Hinge.

Outside of a handful of elite kicks the other night, he’s been pure meh. And if it wasn’t for Sholl being borderline on the other wing, should have been under pressure. I think he is tracking towards being a bust on the wing, but doubt he’ll end up down back as that would displace a Laird or Milera.

 

[AFC979810]

ROB got the better of Witts in the ruck even with less hit outs?? Witt’s had little impact around the ground? Witt’s had 8 score involvements from 14 possessions, of which 8 were contested possessions. ROB had zero score involvements from his 5 possessions, 1 contested.

Yeah definitely. I thought ROB's ruck work was really bad against Stanley and he 'won' the hitouts 38 - 24.

And the fact you’re happy with ROB only getting 5 possessions says it all doesn’t it?

He is a role player in our side. His role is to compete at the ruck contests which I think he has done well in 4/5 matchups.

He’s that bad you don’t want him touching the ball meanwhile we’ve got ruckman around the league not only decent at hit outs but good around the ground.

Very low bar you’re setting for our lead ruck.

They don't really matter.

 

[AFC979810]

Outside of a handful of elite kicks the other night, he’s been pure meh. And if it wasn’t for Sholl being borderline on the other wing, should have been under pressure. I think he is tracking towards being a bust on the wing, but doubt he’ll end up down back as that would displace a Laird or Milera.

Are we best friends now that we finally agree on something!

I love you 1970 crow.

 

[1970crow]

Are we best friends now that we finally agree on something!

I love you 1970 crow.

Yeh, I’m still drunk too.

 

[AFC979810]

Yeh, I’m still drunk too.

Bring it in big fella.

 

[1970crow]

Are we best friends now that we finally agree on something!

I love you 1970 crow.

And worth mentioning again, 95% of what goes on is unarguable, outside of loonies like Waynus, we all agree on those things, hence no discussion. We discuss the 5% that exist on the margins. You just get 95% of the 5% wrong, that’s why you think we don’t share common ground, when in fact, we agree on most things.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yeah definitely. I thought ROB's ruck work was really bad against Stanley and he 'won' the hitouts 38 - 24.



He is a role player in our side. His role is to compete at the ruck contests which I think he has done well in 4/5 matchups.



They don't really matter.

Reckon you need to watch the Gold Coast game again.

As for not mattering, would you prefer Witt’s 8 score involvements or ROB’s zero, keeping in mind we lost by 1 point.

That’s a low bar, ruck is more than a role player. See Witt’s 8 score involvements to zero for ROB.

 

[AFC979810]

Reckon you need to watch the Gold Coast game again.

As for not mattering, would you prefer Witt’s 8 score involvements or ROB’s zero, keeping in mind we lost by 1 point.

That’s a low bar, ruck is more than a role player. See Witt’s 8 score involvements to zero for ROB.

Score involvements mean jack shit IMO.

I would prefer to have Witts on our team, but Witts v ROB wasn't the difference.