Training Pre season training

[Verdun66]

Thank you to the posters putting up reports of the early training sessions. Really great to hear the perspective of those watchers as to how everyone is travelling.

I have been involved in coaching other sports, and of course been coached myself. In fact I am still being coached at golf.

One thing I notice in coaching these days is that there is encouragement to ‘push the envelope’ in terms of risk. To undergo a change in technique or mindset you are asked to overdo the change. To over-emphasise what you are doing. Experiment in your training in an effort to get better.

When I read that the skills are sloppy or someone isn’t quite getting the drill, I wonder if there is an element of this risk taking. Going wide and then seeking the corridor with riskier kicks for example. You have to try a few to see what works. Playing safe doesn’t seem to work in the modern game.

So I sit here and wonder if this is what might be going on. The perfect training session might be seen as great, but it could be just playing safe and slowly. Skills all neatly showcased. Playing quickly and creating attacking chaos seems to lead to more scoring opportunities. How do you train that?

Any thoughts?

 

[True Believer]

I'm thinking I might try and get along to the session this Friday - is it normally a serious session on a preseason Friday?

 

[King_Steele]

How I loved the G-Train! Possibly my favourite player of the modern era.

He is the reason I go for our great club. Mullet in 03 kicking goals v Roos I was hooked

 

[Remboy]

Thank you to the posters putting up reports of the early training sessions. Really great to hear the perspective of those watchers as to how everyone is travelling.

I have been involved in coaching other sports, and of course been coached myself. In fact I am still being coached at golf.

One thing I notice in coaching these days is that there is encouragement to ‘push the envelope’ in terms of risk. To undergo a change in technique or mindset you are asked to overdo the change. To over-emphasise what you are doing. Experiment in your training in an effort to get better.

When I read that the skills are sloppy or someone isn’t quite getting the drill, I wonder if there is an element of this risk taking. Going wide and then seeking the corridor with riskier kicks for example. You have to try a few to see what works. Playing safe doesn’t seem to work in the modern game.

So I sit here and wonder if this is what might be going on. The perfect training session might be seen as great, but it could be just playing safe and slowly. Skills all neatly showcased. Playing quickly and creating attacking chaos seems to create more scoring opportunities. How do you train that?

Any thoughts?

I remember when Aussie Jones started Stan Alves told him him to take the game and try to run around players. His logic was that you might get caught occasionally but that was how you’d learn what you could get away with.
It could be a similar mindset. Take the difficult option, try to hit the target in the corridor. It’s worth making the mistakes at training so you don’t make them in matches.

 

[The Cobra]

I remember when Aussie Jones started Stan Alves told him him to take the game and try to run around players. His logic was that you might get caught occasionally but that was how you’d learn what you could get away with.
It could be a similar mindset. Take the difficult option, try to hit the target in the corridor. It’s worth making the mistakes at training so you don’t make them in matches.

Nothing more true than if you can’t do it at training you sure as hell won’t see it on match day!

Hence I’m a big RTB fan - Training standards are miles ahead of the previous regime - of course all the opposition are improving as well so its incremental and you just got to keep driving excellence.

 

[Verdun66]

I remember when Aussie Jones started Stan Alves told him him to take the game and try to run around players. His logic was that you might get caught occasionally but that was how you’d learn what you could get away with.
It could be a similar mindset. Take the difficult option, try to hit the target in the corridor. It’s worth making the mistakes at training so you don’t make them in matches.

I seem to remember RTB saying he didn’t mind mistakes if he could see that the player was trying something difficult. Bonner comes to mind. He also said ( I think) that he didn’t want the mistake over and over.

 

[Neil Elvis Winmar]

Thank you to the posters putting up reports of the early training sessions. Really great to hear the perspective of those watchers as to how everyone is travelling.

I have been involved in coaching other sports, and of course been coached myself. In fact I am still being coached at golf.

One thing I notice in coaching these days is that there is encouragement to ‘push the envelope’ in terms of risk. To undergo a change in technique or mindset you are asked to overdo the change. To over-emphasise what you are doing. Experiment in your training in an effort to get better.

When I read that the skills are sloppy or someone isn’t quite getting the drill, I wonder if there is an element of this risk taking. Going wide and then seeking the corridor with riskier kicks for example. You have to try a few to see what works. Playing safe doesn’t seem to work in the modern game.

So I sit here and wonder if this is what might be going on. The perfect training session might be seen as great, but it could be just playing safe and slowly. Skills all neatly showcased. Playing quickly and creating attacking chaos seems to lead to more scoring opportunities. How do you train that?

Any thoughts?

100%

I overhead Ross and Bolton saying back yourself to take on the first tackler and free up the next person in the chain so we can improve our entries. He mentioned this too Poo and Garcia multiple times.

They also did a huge amount of focus on locking the ball in our forward half after the oppo gets possession. Ross was very vocal on this call players out on positioning or effort.

They are getting challenged on the areas of our game that let us down so it’s not going to be silky and perfect a lot of the time this time of year.

What I found impressive was the alignment and everyone’s willingness to try and fail and then have their teammates/coaches put an arm around them or offer vocal support.

We are super young and we can’t put too much expectation on Wilson, Poo, Garcia, Collard, Keelor, Hastie, Arie etc too early on as they are all still early on in a steep learning curve.



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[The Cobra]

100%

I overhead Ross and Bolton saying back yourself to take on the first tackler and free up the next person in the chain so we can improve our entries. He mentioned this too Poo and Garcia multiple times.

They also did a huge amount of focus on locking the ball in our forward half after the oppo gets possession. Ross was very vocal on this call players out on positioning or effort.

They are getting challenged on the areas of our game that let us down so it’s not going to be silky and perfect a lot of the time this time of year.

What I found impressive was the alignment and everyone’s willingness to try and fail and then have their teammates/coaches put an arm around them or offer vocal support.

We are super young and we can’t put too much expectation on Wilson, Poo, Garcia, Collard, Keelor, Hastie, Arie etc too early on as they are all still early on in a steep learning curve.



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Thank you - now I understand every time Pou gets the ball he runs at the first defender and takes him on every time - all makes sense!

 

[Neil Elvis Winmar]

Unfortunately Dougal has the athleticism & speed of a Mack Truck - last line of defence thanks!

Although serviceable when he played last year. He’s probably 1 hamstring or major injury from retiring. He will finish up at the end of 2025 along with Cordy. So Hammer playing back might be preparing him to take over from Dougal not Battle. I think Barrat is more the long term Battle replacement but for this year it might be a bit of horses for courses as to who the play based on the opposition.


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[jimmytigs]

For a while there i thought that G-train and Milney had some sort of psychic connection.

they must be good mates,they did a sportsmans night together in angeles city philippines,they were there the night terry hill the nrl guy passed away,milney is a regular in town apparently,dont think g train is

 

[ScrappyDo]

Ross singled out Hammer as a key defender after he did pretty well on Daniher (with their midfield running rampant).

He also mentioned him playing in defence the week before Max was ruled out for the season.

That's where all the Hammer in defence comes from. I don't mind it TBH.

The picture is still opaque. 2 clear forwards in Coops and Max, 2 clear defenders in Doogs and Wilkie.
Hammer can be either TBD
Keeler is a forward or Forward/Ruck TBC
Tauru can be either TBC
Barrat probably a defender, possibly forward TBC
Ari is TBC
Cordy is either but not best 22.

There's enough there to work with but there will be a reduced capacity irrespective.
Hammer playing in defence this year gives him games which is more important than position ATM. He can also chop out for Marshall.
That leaves the door open for Keeler and possibly Moose at a long shot.

Whatever it might be we won't know for a while since we're stuck waiting for a kid to step up.
I think it's a reasonable situation given where we're at.

 

[BrutThough]

Although serviceable when he played last year. He’s probably 1 hamstring or major injury from retiring. He will finish up at the end of 2025 along with Cordy. So Hammer playing back might be preparing him to take over from Dougal not Battle. I think Barrat is more the long term Battle replacement but for this year it might be a bit of horses for courses as to who the play based on the opposition.


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Dougal will only be 29 early next year. He's got more than 1 year left in him.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Thank you to the posters putting up reports of the early training sessions. Really great to hear the perspective of those watchers as to how everyone is travelling.

I have been involved in coaching other sports, and of course been coached myself. In fact I am still being coached at golf.

One thing I notice in coaching these days is that there is encouragement to ‘push the envelope’ in terms of risk. To undergo a change in technique or mindset you are asked to overdo the change. To over-emphasise what you are doing. Experiment in your training in an effort to get better.

When I read that the skills are sloppy or someone isn’t quite getting the drill, I wonder if there is an element of this risk taking. Going wide and then seeking the corridor with riskier kicks for example. You have to try a few to see what works. Playing safe doesn’t seem to work in the modern game.

So I sit here and wonder if this is what might be going on. The perfect training session might be seen as great, but it could be just playing safe and slowly. Skills all neatly showcased. Playing quickly and creating attacking chaos seems to lead to more scoring opportunities. How do you train that?

Any thoughts?

100%
Acclimatising the players to an expanded risk envelope has a cumulative effect, also creating calmness in the kitchen. It's all training the mind.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Although serviceable when he played last year. He’s probably 1 hamstring or major injury from retiring. He will finish up at the end of 2025 along with Cordy. So Hammer playing back might be preparing him to take over from Dougal not Battle. I think Barrat is more the long term Battle replacement but for this year it might be a bit of horses for courses as to who the play based on the opposition.


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Unless there's a ready replacement Doogs will play till he can't or is superseded. They aren't looking to another 5 years rebuilding.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

I’m thinking Maxie Hall could well be my next favourite player.

 

[King_Steele]

I’m thinking Maxie Hall could well be my next favourite player.

Judging by training reports he might be a round 1 smoky

 

[akaifu]

Judging by training reports he might be a round 1 smoky

Especially if Henry is underdone. Slots straight in at half forward. I'm excited to see what he could do with Henry's midfield time (if unavailable) at AFL level, I feel like his attributes would transition quite seamlessly

 

[Neil Elvis Winmar]

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Dougal will only be [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]] early next year. He's got more than year left in him.

It’s not his age that’s the issue, it’s his body that’s not holding up. Similar to Crouch that will be what dictates his time is up.


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[Neil Elvis Winmar]

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Unless there's a ready replacement Doogs will play till he can't or is superseded. They aren't looking to another [emoji6] years rebuilding.

It will be his body that’s decides when Doogs finishes unfortunately. He’s pretty banged up in the back, knee and Hammies.


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[SteeleSaints]

Thank you - now I understand every time Pou gets the ball he runs at the first defender and takes him on every time - all makes sense!

All the better midfielders do it, its how they draw in opposition which creates space for team mates. Its something I've been screaming to occur for sometime, as in the past we were stationary not moving and handballing to a team mate still under pressure. Movement creates space and makes the opposition commit to a player.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

For me its all about getting the game on our terms .... forcing the opposition to become reactive and taking them out of their comfort zone

A big part of that is scoreboard pressure .... in recent years we have been in games through great pressure only to fall away due to our terrible forward conversion or just general lack of scoring when we go forward

Also we need to learn how to build and hold onto a lead .... nothing irks me more than hearing a player say at the end of game .... we knew they were going to comeback hard at us ....... fk me .... if you know they are going to comeback hard then do something about it .... go back harder ..... we need to learn how to stop an opposition momentum swing dead in its tracks .... good sides find a way

 

[Sarcoidevo]

All the better midfielders do it, its how they draw in opposition which creates space for team mates. Its something I've been screaming to occur for sometime, as in the past we were stationary not moving and handballing to a team mate still under pressure. Movement creates space and makes the opposition commit to a player.

Gets them second guessing and become reactive to our movement

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

hmm, from the outside it appears to be rocket science but I'm gonna give it a shot..

caminiti plays back ifff

there are better KPF options ahead of the ball

he proves to be a better option behind the ball than other defenders

He's a forward first, but playing as a KPD (including third tall) is going to be better for his development than playing at sandy. I don't think it's equivalent to a young mid beng hung out to dry in the forward pocket

caminiti, keeler, barrat, tauru, even moose are all in the equation for 1 maybe 2 spots. If doogs has a mare to start the season it could be 3 spots. May the best giant win

 

[pebblesofsand]

Agree with this. Our forward line will be very top heavy with Sharman, King, Caminiti and Owens. To date Sharman has shown to be a more impressive forward than Caminiti. Caminiti looks more capable defensively and has the required size to play genuine key position defence. In addition, Keeler looks a more natural forward.

As for the new guys, they’ll need some time to develop but if all goes to plan it will be great to have some options and flexibility.

Camaniti leads Sharman in every relevant fwd half stat and people want to send him down back.

Goals, shots on goals, marks, marks i50, contested marks - Caminiti has the edge over Sharman. Plus a bigger body to help out King.

Sharman spot is 3rd tall in comp with Owen's.

 

[Saintbloke]

Camaniti leads Sharman in every relevant fwd half stat and people want to send him down back.

Goals, shots on goals, marks, marks i50, contested marks - Caminiti has the edge over Sharman. Plus a bigger body to help out King.

Sharman spot is 3rd tall in comp with Owen's.

Though Sharman has more footy smarts than Caminiti and Owens and rarely wastes a disposal.