List Mgmt. Oscar Allen Free Agency

[Lia]

Might well be pick 2 for Oscar, Richmond already have a win on us.

 

[flyinghi64]

Astute captaining by Oscar.
What a champion.
He knows what he is doing and it is going perfectly.






Taking the heat of Harley.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I don't have a problem with it. I think it is worth watching the press conference and listening to Woosha's perspective. The only mistake Oscar has made is that it went public. Unfortunately, nuffies in here don't understand that EVERY AFL player is affected by trades and free agency at some point.

I think that's being generous.
He has every right to hear contract offers from rival clubs. But meeting publicly with the head coach of an opposition club after round 3? That's just moronic. Let alone when you're the captain of a club.

Club is sticking by Oscar to safe face. Nothing more.

 

[Scotland]

Was Judd meeting oppo clubs in round 3?

And being g in damage control for the next 20 odd rounds?

No. He acted professionally.

Judd admitted that he made up his mind to leave WC in 2005.

You could not fault in his 2005-2007 performances.

 

[Obeanie1]

Judd admitted that he made up his mind to leave WC in 2005.

You could not fault in his 2005-2007 performances.

He may have made up his mind but when he advised the club he then went and toured 4 clubs and ensured a fair trade was the result.

None of that involved not so secret meetings with oppo coaches flying in that got leaked to and then played out in the media.

Judd acted like a professional footballer and how a club captian should.

 

[MaxHunt]

Good to see free agency is still working after all these years to help the struggling clubs

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Watched the press conference. Blerg. Can't see Oscar at the club next year.

 

[KERRPOW]

Listened to the whole interview.

the best bit was when a jouno told allen that chris fagan was keen to sit down and chat to him also.

woosha jumped in and said "if chris wants a coffee im happy to sit with him and have a chat"

 

[Dark Sharks]

We'll net you pick 3. You'll be thanking us.

No need to suck us off....

DON'T SPEAK FOR ME CAMPAIGNER!!!

 

[greatwhiteshark]

This is where you need to listen to Woosha. He's pretty much admitted that we do this as well without saying that we do this as well. Simmo mentioned that he had spoken to a club captain himself. It happens. We just don't usually see it.

Club captains are a bit different in that their place in clubs is usually more cemented however they're not immune to having to go through this process of renewing contracts. It just so happens that Oscar is captain of the club at a time where we have another top 10 forward in the comp with three very good KPF prospects coming through so it doesn't make sense for the club to give Oscar what he wants. So he looks at his options.

As Woosha has alluded to, the only thing Oscar is guilty of is being caught. It's sad and frustrating to you. It's business for everyone in AFL land.

As far as dealing with any fall out, Oscar's only obligation is to turn up and play good footy, which he isn't doing at the moment. I would like to think this whole saga has been educational for people because the bloke is entitled to try to get the best deal possible for himself.

No doubt all of that is true and yes all clubs do it. Unfortunately though Oscar did it for him to be caught and will now have to pay the price of the fans expecting him to perform at a high level and he won't get any free passes moving forward.
Yes the fans don't need to see everything, but if they do then you better be performing because just as we see on this board they will come after you.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I think that's being generous.
He has every right to hear contract offers from rival clubs. But meeting publicly with the head coach of an opposition club after round 3? That's just moronic. Let alone when you're the captain of a club.

Club is sticking by Oscar to safe face. Nothing more.

Correct, it's AFL Press conference 101. Tell the fans what you think they want to hear, of course it will all be rubbish but most will buy it.

 

[WCEswift]

The media person shut down the conference asap, Oscar is sorry he got caught out not that he met mitchell, **** him

 

[Bushhopper]

For what it’s worth, expect a presser tomorrow for OA to face the music.

Spot on mate

 

[Obeanie1]

This is where you need to listen to Woosha. He's pretty much admitted that we do this as well without saying that we do this as well. Simmo mentioned that he had spoken to a club captain himself. It happens. We just don't usually see it.

Club captains are a bit different in that their place in clubs is usually more cemented however they're not immune to having to go through this process of renewing contracts. It just so happens that Oscar is captain of the club at a time where we have another top 10 forward in the comp with three very good KPF prospects coming through so it doesn't make sense for the club to give Oscar what he wants. So he looks at his options.

As Woosha has alluded to, the only thing Oscar is guilty of is being caught. It's sad and frustrating to you. It's business for everyone in AFL land.

As far as dealing with any fall out, Oscar's only obligation is to turn up and play good footy, which he isn't doing at the moment. I would like to think this whole saga has been educational for people because the bloke is entitled to try to get the best deal possible for himself.

Really?

The club captain's only obligation is to turn up and play well?

So they don't need to.....you know.....lead by example on and off field? Aka be the captain?

Be the face of the club for sponsors and fans?

Sell the clubs bright prospects to sponsors, fans and players current and future?

If he just wanted to be a player sure.

But a club captain carries much more responsibility than just turning up and playing well. Much much more. THATS why they are the captain of the club.

 

[eagles rule]

I think he should make the decision himself to resign the captaincy. And the biggest reason isn't his meeting with Mitchell it is that he is a weak captain at a time when we need a really strong captain. His personality is not suited to it. He doesn't look like he even really wants to be Captain. Thats not his fault, leadership doesn't suit everybody. But if you were Allen and looked at how Baker goes about things and the impact he has on the other players and compared that to yourself the next move is pretty obvious - go to the coach and say you think Baker should be Captain instead.

Baker has no speaking presence or finesse he’s a good soldier but not Captain material ..

 

[Deepthroat]

Really?

The club captain's only obligation is to turn up and play well?

So they don't need to.....you know.....lead by example on and off field? Aka be the captain?

Be the face of the club for sponsors and fans?

Sell the clubs bright prospects to sponsors, fans and players current and future?

If he just wanted to be a player sure.

But a club captain carries much more responsibility than just turning up and playing well. Much much more. THATS why they are the captain of the club.

Agree completely.

Nuffies on here saying "it's just business" and "it's the new norm" don't appreciate the context of YOUR CAPTAIN shopping himself around.

Constantly making excuses for club missteps and not demanding better is exactly why the club is in the rock-bottom situation it currently faces.

If this were another club, we'd be laughing at them.

 

[Doashuey]

DON'T SPEAK FOR ME CAMPAIGNER!!!

Ok you can suck me off if you feel that strongly about it. But this is a once off kent.

 

[DorothyG]

This is where you need to listen to Woosha. He's pretty much admitted that we do this as well without saying that we do this as well. Simmo mentioned that he had spoken to a club captain himself. It happens. We just don't usually see it.

Club captains are a bit different in that their place in clubs is usually more cemented however they're not immune to having to go through this process of renewing contracts. It just so happens that Oscar is captain of the club at a time where we have another top 10 forward in the comp with three very good KPF prospects coming through so it doesn't make sense for the club to give Oscar what he wants. So he looks at his options.

As Woosha has alluded to, the only thing Oscar is guilty of is being caught. It's sad and frustrating to you. It's business for everyone in AFL land.

As far as dealing with any fall out, Oscar's only obligation is to turn up and play good footy, which he isn't doing at the moment. I would like to think this whole saga has been educational for people because the bloke is entitled to try to get the best deal possible for himself.

my ears are bleeding after listening to that
what a load of horse crap

Ah, the duality of Bigfooty, never change

 

[WCEswift]

3rd question of the presser is back or forward this week...

 

[The Dodger]

Poor jumper choice by Oscar and the club.

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Surprised it wasn't also 10 sizes too big for him

 

[ziad]

Judd admitted that he made up his mind to leave WC in 2005.

You could not fault in his 2005-2007 performances.

Judd was an example of professionalism. Oscar not so

 

[DorothyG]

And to be fair to Juddy, there were some pretty extreme off field circumstances to deal with. As for Allen, we are just a team at the moment

 

[Grahame]

Can't imagine any further negotiations with the Hawks will be as easy as Mitchell would like!

And remember they messed us around with the TB deal. The AFL is a small pond. People have long memories. What’s ‘clever’ in the short term might just bite you on the arse in the long term.

 

[Scotland]

I remember Judd talking about being at the club as a young player with Cousins and Kerr and I think Braun who was a fastidious trainer and they all drove each other to train hard etc.

Can't help but feel that environment is lacking now.

 

[Astro7]

So in your mind it's fine for a club captain to meeting an opposition coach in round 3 and for that meeting ends up in the public eye?

You dont see the hypocrisy in talking to clubs and directly with an opposition coach about leaving whilst currently holding the captaincy and selling the future of the club?

If you don't get that then maybe you need some growing up.

A random player not in the clubs leadership group fine. Go for it. No issues. They aren't standing in front of the camera selling the club every day they go to work.

Club captain? Just not on. If you do it you do it through your manager and make sure it never gets out.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. He's perfectly within his rights to do that.
The only problem was it got leaked, went public and then went into spin cycle with footy media and histrionic fans. Cringeworthy watching him have to apologise like a schoolboy next to the headmaster.
Storm in a teacup. I just want to watch football not stupid media-inflated melodrama and theatre.