Club Focus North Melbourne 2024

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[banzai]

I think it’s ballsy from North.
Don’t get me wrong, I love this trade as a Richmond supporter. Pick 25 odd next year and 28 this year I’d take for a top ten pick in any draft year.

But North have to back themselves in.
If they are bottom 4 again next year then it makes it much harder to retain LDU. Some rapid improvement required. And I think they are a good chance to do so if it all clicks and they have a great run with injury,

North are certainly ready to move up, but since we went to a 23 game season, even 9 wins looks pretty certain to still be bottom 4. 10 wins will be 14th or 15th. I don't see how that could be considered a bad season. if LDU leaves after a 9 win season that finishes 15th, then he was always leaving anyway. They've won 2,3,3 the last 3 seasons. A jump to even 7-8 wins has to be considered a decent year.

 

[the big lebowski]

North are certainly ready to move up, but since we went to a 23 game season, even 9 wins looks pretty certain to still be bottom 4. 10 wins will be 14th or 15th. I don't see how that could be considered a bad season. if LDU leaves after a 9 win season that finishes 15th, then he was always leaving anyway. They've won 2,3,3 the last 3 seasons. A jump to even 7-8 wins has to be considered a decent year.

For sure. It will probably be music to your ears but we are all about increasing wins (and being in games more often), not so much ladder position

 

[Chip Scab1]

Not sure how you would think its a ' Weird' take

The reach is not the point of my post was , It was more about trading a potential pick #4- #5 for a KPP that was expected by 99% of media and draft watchers to be selected after the other 2 players. Did North get this rating correct ?
Richmond certainly reached for Faull i totally agree and the comparison to Shannahan & Armstrong will also be made their
But your wrong regarding Lalor as he was always going #1 at Richmond as we considered the other 5-6 mids similar

I'll happily back the dudes that brought us Xerri with Pick 74 and Larkey with 73. Whilst having a bit of practice, they seem to pick some good ones late. You, however, have to hope and cross every appendage it was as good a draft as those relying on it for an income said it was. We are in the better position (and bloody well should be), whether Matt makes it or not. Obviously we hope, but he could be just keeping the position warmish until Aiden arrives.

 

[THE_GUN]

I'll happily back the dudes that brought us Xerri with Pick 74 and Larkey with 73. Whilst having a bit of practice, they seem to pick some good ones late. You, however, have to hope and cross every appendage it was as good a draft as those relying on it for an income said it was. We are in the better position (and bloody well should be), whether Matt makes it or not. Obviously we hope, but he could be just keeping the position warmish until Aiden arrives.

Talking about late picks it might be wise to have a good look at the players that played in our 3 flags and see where players like Astbury , Grimes , Castagna , Butler , Baker , Bolton , Balta , Lambert , Graham , Short etc were selected

Richmond this year have effectively 7 1st rounders and a kid selected at a pick in the 50's that was touted to be a 2nd rounder in a deep draft that has not turned 18 yet.
We will also get 2 guns next year bringing that tally to 9 and hopefully a Kellaway late.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Talking about late picks it might be wise to have a good look at the players that played in our 3 flags and see where players like Astbury , Grimes , Castagna , Butler , Baker , Bolton , Balta , Lambert , Graham , Short etc were selected

Richmond this year have effectively 7 1st rounders and a kid selected at a pick in the 50's that was touted to be a 2nd rounder in a deep draft that has not turned 18 yet.
We will also get 2 guns next year bringing that tally to 9 and hopefully a Kellaway late.

You're in the North Melbourne thread, perhaps your dreamcasts will have a better reception on your board!

Those players you mentioned are premiership players, mainly because you also drafted Dusty Martin, possible a Top 10 player to ever play the game IMO. A champion who made a massive difference in your 2 flags in 37 years (3 if you count the one won in Queensland). I literally don't know about other teams, not their lists, not their potential, nothing. I know about 5 of your premiership players. I barely watch my team, the rest of the competition and sport is dead to me, you're a nice man though and I hope your team is back in contention by 2032/2033, I think that's a more realistic timeframe.

 

[Wild Bill]

Talking about late picks it might be wise to have a good look at the players that played in our 3 flags and see where players like Astbury , Grimes , Castagna , Butler , Baker , Bolton , Balta , Lambert , Graham , Short etc were selected

Richmond this year have effectively 7 1st rounders and a kid selected at a pick in the 50's that was touted to be a 2nd rounder in a deep draft that has not turned 18 yet.
We will also get 2 guns next year bringing that tally to 9 and hopefully a Kellaway late.

Every premiership winner has players taken in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds. Tigers are no different to every past winner.

Just look at last year - Harris 61, Answorth 55, Payne 54, Lester 28, Cameron rookie, Fort 65, Neale 58, Morris 31.

We also just took 10 1st rounders over the last 3 years is some of the greatest drafts in AFL history.

The Tigers - after having 3 of their best 5 players walk out need as many picks as they can get.

 

[madjoe]

keen to see how payne goes this pre season he honestly looked like a c grade ammo player after being picked up all the while lord looked best 22 in a top 8 team

 

[perplexed]

keen to see how payne goes this pre season he honestly looked like a c grade ammo player after being picked up all the while lord looked best 22 in a top 8 team

Give the kid a chance. He was a mile off AFL fitness when picked up. He was doing a carpentry apprenticeship and trying to fit in training after work.

 

[Dinkers]

keen to see how payne goes this pre season he honestly looked like a c grade ammo player after being picked up all the while lord looked best 22 in a top 8 team

Some at North wanted us to take Lord, Payne isn't training as yet to the required standards.

 

[Vindicater]

Some big questions coming up this season you would think.

Who is the main priority? LDU?

 

[Jeremias]

Some big questions coming up this season you would think.

Who is the main priority? LDU?

Definitely. Don’t think they’d be too worried about any of the other OOC players.

Next priority after LDU would surely be looking at extending the likes of Wardlaw, McKercher who are OOC in 2026.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Some big questions coming up this season you would think.

Who is the main priority? LDU?

Finishing outside/above the bottom 4 is #1.

LDU is a long distant #2. If he doesn't start hitting targets I50 and/or kicking some goals, then I'm not keen on signing him for an extended period of time at all.

I would go as high as $1.4m, any higher and we should really let him go after matching it. Get 3R1s and some R2's (probably) and fill the positions of need instead.

 

[THE_GUN]

Finishing outside/above the bottom 4 is #1.

LDU is a long distant #2. If he doesn't start hitting targets I50 and/or kicking some goals, then I'm not keen on signing him for an extended period of time at all.

I would go as high as $1.4m, any higher and we should really let him go after matching it.

3 x 1st rounders and some 2nd rounder

NO CHANCE

 

[Chip Scab1]

3 x 1st rounders and some 2nd rounder

NO CHANCE

Ok, let's say the team who wants LDU finishes 6th.

12,30,2026 R1(15), 2027R1(16)?

For LDU + NMFC 2025 R3(46), 2026 R3(50)

Yeah I reckon that's what it will need to be.

 

[harper2bastinac]

Finishing outside/above the bottom 4 is #1.

LDU is a long distant #2. If he doesn't start hitting targets I50 and/or kicking some goals, then I'm not keen on signing him for an extended period of time at all.

I would go as high as $1.4m, any higher and we should really let him go after matching it. Get 3R1s and some R2's (probably) and fill the positions of need instead.

no1 priority probably solves the no2 priority if the club manage to start winning again

 

[THE_GUN]

Ok, let's say the team who wants LDU finishes 6th.

12,30,2026 R1(15), 2027R1(16)?

For LDU + NMFC 2025 R3(46), 2026 R3(50)

Yeah I reckon that's what it will need to be.

Your dreamin
Not sure where you are getting your numbers above from but if the team is Collingwood or Geelong then you will most likely only get their 1st and maybe F1 but thats nowhere near a top 5/6 pick as free agency compo

Have a look at the jeromy cameron trade
13, 15 and 20) and a future fourth-round selection.

LDU is no Jeromy Cameron

 

[tiger_tough]

How's FOS been training?

 

[the big lebowski]

How's FOS been training?

Very well.

Playing half forward and half back.

Class for days. Has also shown plenty of toughness.

But has been taken a back by the strength of afl players compared to him apparently.

Running has been a stand out feature

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Your dreamin
Not sure where you are getting your numbers above from but if the team is Collingwood or Geelong then you will most likely only get their 1st and maybe F1 but thats nowhere near a top 5/6 pick as free agency compo

Have a look at the jeromy cameron trade
13, 15 and 20) and a future fourth-round selection.

LDU is no Jeromy Cameron

You should be well versed on recent trades...The Cameron trade is a distant memory, and it's obvious that the value of establish players has significantly increased since that period.

If Daniel Rioli netted you guys pick 6 & 23 and Shai Bolton netted you 10, 11 & 18. Then LDU is worth considerably more than that.

 

[THE_GUN]

You should be well versed on recent trades...The Cameron trade is a distant memory, and it's obvious that the value of establish players has significantly increased since that period.

If Daniel Rioli netted you guys pick 6 & 23 and Shai Bolton netted you 10, 11 & 18. Then LDU is worth considerably more than that.

You seem to have lost a sense of reality and only hoping these are the standard levels for a trade

* Rioli & Bolton were both heavily contracted players and were locked away
LDU is a free agent and uncontracted

• There is no way any team will cough up ridiculous amount thats being discussed
• Dealing with GC where prices get inflated by 50% is really not a great example , If any other team Rioli would have been a pick #12-#15
• Bolton for 10,11,18 is correct but you have conveniently excluded that Bolton had pick #14 in his back pocket going to freo.

But if you were to use the Bolton (contracted for 4 more years as an example) to compare to a free agent LDU as the benchmark what would you rather a pick #2-#5 or 2 1st rounders in a heavily compromised draft with the 2 picks becoming #14 - #20

 

[Chip Scab1]

You seem to have lost a sense of reality and only hoping these are the standard levels for a trade

* Rioli & Bolton were both heavily contracted players and were locked away
LDU is a free agent and uncontracted

• There is no way any team will cough up ridiculous amount thats being discussed
• Dealing with GC where prices get inflated by 50% is really not a great example , If any other team Rioli would have been a pick #12-#15
• Bolton for 10,11,18 is correct but you have conveniently excluded that Bolton had pick #14 in his back pocket going to freo.

But if you were to use the Bolton (contracted for 4 more years as an example) to compare to a free agent LDU as the benchmark what would you rather a pick #2-#5 or 2 1st rounders in a heavily compromised draft with the 2 picks becoming #14 - #20

You (Rich) got 14 back in an equally compromised draft.

Given midfielders tend to go early, I wouldn't budge. Take the many picks and pick the eyes out of positions of need.

I still think you're underselling LDU, he got what, 18 votes in a dog poo team, he's likely a decent chance at winning the Charlie in a decent to good team. Bolton, for how he is (not was) wouldn't be valued nearly as highly.

 

[briztoon]

You (Rich) got 14 back in an equally compromised draft.

Given midfielders tend to go early, I wouldn't budge. Take the many picks and pick the eyes out of positions of need.

I still think you're underselling LDU, he got what, 18 votes in a dog poo team, he's likely a decent chance at winning the Charlie in a decent to good team. Bolton, for how he is (not was) wouldn't be valued nearly as highly.

14 was sent to Freo.

Bolton essentially cost picks 10 & 11.

Richmond already held 14 from the Baker trade to West Coast, and sent it to Freo in exchange for pick 18.

 

[rye]

Ok, let's say the team who wants LDU finishes 6th.

12,30,2026 R1(15), 2027R1(16)?

For LDU + NMFC 2025 R3(46), 2026 R3(50)

Yeah I reckon that's what it will need to be.

3 first round picks and a second rounder for an injury prone midfielder who has never made the all australian squad and has 1 b&f to his name?

You'd be lucky to get what fremantle got for Neale. pick around 4-8, and an early second for out of contract ldu.

 

[Chip Scab1]

3 first round picks and a second rounder for an injury prone midfielder who has never made the all australian squad and has 1 b&f to his name?

You'd be lucky to get what fremantle got for Neale. pick around 4-8, and an early second for out of contract ldu.

Injury prone? Thanks Johnny Gastev, the only midfielder who you could say that about on our books is probably Wardlaw.

Calling LDU injury prone is akin to calling your flags illegitimate due to it not being a fair playing field. Now, I don't care enough to label you anything, I kinda didn't mind you inflicting some more pain on Neck and his band of brothers (frauds, really).

But I'm not sure you can call pick 9-13 less Academy and NGA nonsense the same as 3x 2-6 for example. Obviously he's not worth the latter. However the former, I dunno, no reason and plenty of logic suggest we could match and demand something in that realm. Whether he's worth it, doesn't matter to us so much as that would be around the price at a guess, I'd say.

 

[Sphynx]

3 first round picks and a second rounder for an injury prone midfielder who has never made the all australian squad and has 1 b&f to his name?

You'd be lucky to get what fremantle got for Neale. pick around 4-8, and an early second for out of contract ldu.

Yet similarly rated to Warner, Butters, Anderson and Serong over the last 2 seasons. Who I imagine you would have a different response in value to.

AA gurneys mean SFA when playing in a bottom side.

Given he's reportedly receiving the largest free agent offers in the history of the game, it's fair to say every other club disagrees with your assessment.