Club Focus North Melbourne 2024

[Ticky009]

Spreadsheet created by Lore and Taylor, using data from footywire and AFL Tables. Version above maintained by giantroo.

Spoiler: footywire version

Data from footywire. To check the draft order see the thread here.

Footywire says: "While we make every effort to keep up to date with player contracts, it is likely that our data may at times be out of date, incomplete or inaccurate. If you find any player contracts that need updating, please let us know using our brand new contract submission form."

 

[pupstar]

Quoting an ESPN article that gave North's draft a F rating.

No they just forgot the OS to the F.

 

[pupstar]

I personally dont think there is a lot wrong with this trade provided Matt W becomes a good player

F1 was never going to get a pick inside #15 and #23 +F2 is a good deal for both teams in this draft
But i would be thinking that if North had offered #2 +F1 for #6 + #20 in trade week this might have been done

For Richmond we will finish last and have #1 and if by luck the North F1 is a top 5 pick then thats a great result for Richmond and enables us to get 2 more top rated mids like Sharp & Rodriguez to add to Lalor , Hotton , Smillie

Everything you say sounds pretty right the only problem i think would have been if we offered no2 and future 1st we would not have got FOS who we really wanted regardless of all the rumors about us wanting Tauru.

 

[pupstar]

No, it’s not semantics to suggest it likely won’t be pick 19.

I’m supportive of the trade, but there’s no need to avoid telling the truth when trying to support it.

Yes you are right it won't be pick 19 on paper but it still will be the 19 best player on paper available to all clubs besides all the academy etc.

 

[LB2Snake]

Which is fine, but if we hit the ground running and Whitlock develops into a star will you be back in here with equal vigor?

We won’t hear dick out of the TigTokers…….other than “yeah but you got priority picks” or some garbage. Could care less, we had to do something this next couple of years. Been torturous.
Hated the trade at the time, kinda get it now. We will see

 

[LB2Snake]

I personally dont think there is a lot wrong with this trade provided Matt W becomes a good player

F1 was never going to get a pick inside #15 and #23 +F2 is a good deal for both teams in this draft
But i would be thinking that if North had offered #2 +F1 for #6 + #20 in trade week this might have been done

For Richmond we will finish last and have #1 and if by luck the North F1 is a top 5 pick then thats a great result for Richmond and enables us to get 2 more top rated mids like Sharp & Rodriguez to add to Lalor , Hotton , Smillie

If we had’ve offered 2 and F1 for 6+20 you think it might have been done??? Blair would’ve chewed the phone up in desperation.
Insano world THE_GUN.

One player has kept me happy. FOS will be ridiculous.

 

[Jeremias]

Yes you are right it won't be pick 19 on paper but it still will be the 19 best player on paper available to all clubs besides all the academy etc.

Maybe not. Priority picks, free agency compensation can push it back.

And whilst I think they’re just about certainties, it’s not impossible Richmond don’t finish last.

Point being, there’s a lot to play out. We’re not yet at the stage we can be certain of anything regarding that future pick.

 

[LB2Snake]

Maybe not. Priority picks, free agency compensation can push it back.

And whilst I think they’re just about certainties, it’s not impossible Richmond don’t finish last.

Point being, there’s a lot to play out. We’re not yet at the stage we can be certain of anything regarding that future pick.

Can’t remember and can’t be bothered looking, but there wasn’t much difference in 18th -16th

 

[4tune8]

Didn't North get 3 x end of 1st round selections as an assistance package last year? One to be used last year and 2 for this year? With a small rider that the 2024 picks could be lost if North improved their ladder position substantially?

Would be interesting to hear a synopsis on what was done with those 2024 picks, could have been very handy in this draft and firstly saved having to use the F1 to get back in at 27 but more importantly those picks would have given the flexibility to have traded to a position where their identified targets could have been secured.

I might be a little off with the exact numbers, but picks 2-21-22-25-62 (excluding the Daniel trade) would have been an excellent hand to deal with the positional targets that were obviously identified.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Didn't North get 3 x end of 1st round selections as an assistance package last year? One to be used last year and 2 for this year? With a small rider that the 2024 picks could be lost if North improved their ladder position substantially?

Would be interesting to hear a synopsis on what was done with those 2024 picks, could have been very handy in this draft and firstly saved having to use the F1 to get back in at 27 but more importantly those picks would have given the flexibility to have traded to a position where their identified targets could have been secured.

I might be a little off with the exact numbers, but picks 2-21-22-25-62 (excluding the Daniel trade) would have been an excellent hand to deal with the positional targets that were obviously identified.

in hindsight we would have been better holding them

but we didn't want to risk shooting up the ladder and losing 2 end of firsts

 

[4tune8]

in hindsight we would have been better holding them

but we didn't want to risk shooting up the ladder and losing 2 end of firsts

I'm sure that Rawlings and Co. knew that this draft was strong and deep, the smart move would've been trading those 2 picks this year into other draft capital ensuring that they were then isolated from any claw back from the AFL.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I'm sure that Rawlings and Co. knew that this draft was strong and deep, the smart move would've been trading those 2 picks this year into other draft capital ensuring that they were then isolated from any claw back from the AFL.

from memory we couldn't do that but i would have to go back and check

i thought it was use it this draft (last year) or risk losing it in 2025

 

[Dinkers]

So North head into season 2025 and a critical time, we need to show improvement.
The issue will be 22 players < 20 games. Over half the list. We did well bringing in further senior experience.

Also rather interesting we felt it to be better for us to trade out our F1 ( 2-6) for Whitlock & Richmond's F2, mostly likely scenario pick 19 or 20 before any bidding. I suppose that could mean more midfielders are expected to dominate the early rounds of next years draft. Not something we require.
Sheezel, LDU, Simpkin, McKercher, O'Sullivan, Wardlaw & then the bit players.

No doubt a good deal for the Tigers, but nor the end of the world for North.

 

[THE_GUN]

The interesting part of this trade for me is after paying such a hefty price for picks #27
North decided that M.Whitlock was the KPP they rated highest with Shannahan , J.Whitlock still on the board and rated higher than Matt by most media and also public.

Would hate to be a North supporter if they get that wrong

 

[Makeshift Park]

The interesting part of this trade for me is after paying such a hefty price for picks #27
North decided that M.Whitlock was the KPP they rated highest with Shannahan , J.Whitlock still on the board and rated higher than Matt by most media and also public.

Would hate to be a North supporter if they get that wrong

I assume we rated Tauru higher but it'll be fascinating to one day know how North rated him against Armstrong, Trainor and Faull.

Really looking forward to following Mitlock's progression this year.

 

[Sphynx]

The interesting part of this trade for me is after paying such a hefty price for picks #27
North decided that M.Whitlock was the KPP they rated highest with Shannahan , J.Whitlock still on the board and rated higher than Matt by most media and also public.

Would hate to be a North supporter if they get that wrong

I’m sure we will be able to console ourselves.

 

[the big lebowski]

I was willing to do f1 for Shanahan

North obviously rate Matlock over shanahan, so they must think he is very talented.

I think back to Sam Durdin who was obviously a failed pick but the fact that Matlock had produced best on ground performances at chb and chf, coupled with his abnormal athleticism for such a tall guy makes me optimistic.

The fact we got an f2 for the tigers makes my initial f1 for shanahan deal even more appealing.

 

[THE_GUN]

I’m sure we will be able to console ourselves.

I hope so but will be painful watching the other 2 boys that were rated higher dominate knowing you could have selected them. But what surprised me was North went for Matt over Jack
Hope you have not picked Ben over Harry

 

[Wild Bill]

The interesting part of this trade for me is after paying such a hefty price for picks #27
North decided that M.Whitlock was the KPP they rated highest with Shannahan , J.Whitlock still on the board and rated higher than Matt by most media and also public.

Would hate to be a North supporter if they get that wrong

Well hopefully the boys follow the girls and we end up swapping pick 18 for 19 and therefore M Whitlock was free.

Everyone had Max rated higher than Ben King. You have to trust your list manger.

 

[Wild Bill]

I hope so but will be painful watching the other 2 boys that were rated higher dominate knowing you could have selected them. But what surprised me was North went for Matt over Jack
Hope you have not picked Ben over Harry

Bizarre way to look at it - its like saying it will be painful for the Tigers to watch if FOS is much better than Lalor - knowing that could have selected him - or trade down for him.

You're a glass half empty poster.

 

[perplexed]

The interesting part of this trade for me is after paying such a hefty price for picks #27
North decided that M.Whitlock was the KPP they rated highest with Shannahan , J.Whitlock still on the board and rated higher than Matt by most media and also public.

Would hate to be a North supporter if they get that wrong

This is a weird take on this trade. Those guys are all fairly speculative picks, especially the Whitlocks who will take years to develop. The risk for North isn't really choosing the right player, it is using our F1 to get him. If we don't improve significantly, the trade will be a shocker. However, selecting Matt with Pick 27 was roughly where most ranked him, you guys had much bigger reaches with Faull and Lalor.

 

[THE_GUN]

This is a weird take on this trade. Those guys are all fairly speculative picks, especially the Whitlocks who will take years to develop. The risk for North isn't really choosing the right player, it is using our F1 to get him. If we don't improve significantly, the trade will be a shocker. However, selecting Matt with Pick 27 was roughly where most ranked him, you guys had much bigger reaches with Faull and Lalor.

Not sure how you would think its a ' Weird' take

The reach is not the point of my post was , It was more about trading a potential pick #4- #5 for a KPP that was expected by 99% of media and draft watchers to be selected after the other 2 players. Did North get this rating correct ?
Richmond certainly reached for Faull i totally agree and the comparison to Shannahan & Armstrong will also be made their
But your wrong regarding Lalor as he was always going #1 at Richmond as we considered the other 5-6 mids similar

 

[perplexed]

Not sure how you would think its a ' Weird' take

The reach is not the point of my post was , It was more about trading a potential pick #4- #5 for a KPP that was expected by 99% of media and draft watchers to be selected after the other 2 players. Did North get this rating correct ?
Richmond certainly reached for Faull i totally agree and the comparison to Shannahan & Armstrong will also be made their
But your wrong regarding Lalor as he was always going #1 at Richmond as we considered the other 5-6 mids similar

Different teams supposedly had different brothers ranked higher and both are so raw that how well they are developed is probably more important than which one we picked.

If we finish bottom four again this trade is really a shocker regardless of how well Matt goes. We basically started with the pick we used on him then traded it out for Caleb Daniel. I think of this trade more as our F1 for Daniel + your F2. Yes, a lot would have to go right for this one to end up looking good.

 

[banzai]

Different teams supposedly had different brothers ranked higher and both are so raw that how well they are developed is probably more important than which one we picked.

If we finish bottom four again this trade is really a shocker regardless of how well Matt goes. We basically started with the pick we used on him then traded it out for Caleb Daniel. I think of this trade more as our F1 for Daniel + your F2. Yes, a lot would have to go right for this one to end up looking good.

If he ends up being a very good player, it doesnt really matter how low you finish.

Bottom 4 will be tough to get out of this year, Melbourne were 5th last this season at 11 wins 12 losses. Surely 8-10 wins would be a huge result for North, that might still be bottom 4 though. You also have quite a tough draw somehow.

 

[perplexed]

If he ends up being a very good player, it doesnt really matter how low you finish.

Oh, we will claim it as a win. But we really didn't need to do any trading to pick him, just not trade out our second rounder.

Bottom 4 will be tough to get out of this year, Melbourne were 5th last this season at 11 wins 12 losses. Surely 8-10 wins would be a huge result for North, that might still be bottom 4 though. You also have quite a tough draw somehow.

I'm more optimistic than most. I think our list finally has a bit of depth and our better players are moving towards their prime years. I expect us to finish mid table and not have any of those diabolical losses.

 

[Rich01]

Oh, we will claim it as a win. But we really didn't need to do any trading to pick him, just not trade out our second rounder.

I'm more optimistic than most. I think our list finally has a bit of depth and our better players are moving towards their prime years. I expect us to finish mid table and not have any of those diabolical losses.

I think it’s ballsy from North.
Don’t get me wrong, I love this trade as a Richmond supporter. Pick 25 odd next year and 28 this year I’d take for a top ten pick in any draft year.

But North have to back themselves in.
If they are bottom 4 again next year then it makes it much harder to retain LDU. Some rapid improvement required. And I think they are a good chance to do so if it all clicks and they have a great run with injury,