Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2023

[chinggis77]

I actually think this year will be WC's worst. Have to remember that all their old guys already aren't playing and are just taking up a list spot whereas next year they will have replaced a few of them with either draftees, mature agers or free agents. Surely they pick up guys like Sharp, AhChee, Matheison (free agent also), Crouch who are miles better than most of their list and better than their pensioners who can't even get on the field.

 

[Wobbly Punt]

I actually think this year will be WC's worst. Have to remember that all their old guys already aren't playing and are just taking up a list spot whereas next year they will have replaced a few of them with either draftees, mature agers or free agents. Surely they pick up guys like Sharp, AhChee, Matheison (free agent also), Crouch who are miles better than most of their list and better than their pensioners who can't even get on the field.

Lets just hope noone out there is stupid enough to give them decent picks or players for the carcasses of NikFat, Diveling, McPudding, Yeoverweight etc.

Dumber things have happened.

 

[chinggis77]

Amazing how a dope like this can fall so far.

Especially with his sister being the best woman's footballer in the world.

Must be s**t being the worst sports person in the family.

Backdated to when he was arrested in 2021, which means he walks free now? Has spent the last 2 years in jail.

He and Sam were pretty close. Really puts into context why Judd ran away, the amount of drug addled tools at West Coast during that period is incredible.

 

[Belnakor]

Amazing how a dope like this can fall so far.

Especially with his sister being the best woman's footballer in the world.

Must be s**t being the worst sports person in the family.

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree with Daniel

 

[Ge3ks]

Apparently being a Greg is not ideal if you are an Eagles player. This useless, but slightly amusing, tidbit from the Eagles board;

'Greg Clark has now had the longest ever wait for his first WCE win - 16 losses and counting.

The most WCE games without a win by a non-current player is Greg Harding

Greg Harding

Age

48

Ht

188cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.9

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.9

3star

No current season stats available

D

14.4

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.0

3star

with 9 losses.

They’re the only two Greg’s we’ve ever had. So West Coast Eagles named Greg are currently 0 wins from 25 games.'

 

[greatgatsby]

So they won't be recruiting this guy? Shame, he's talented and could help out in the ruck.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Apparently being a Greg is not ideal if you are an Eagles player. This useless, but slightly amusing, tidbit from the Eagles board;

'Greg Clark has now had the longest ever wait for his first WCE win - 16 losses and counting.

The most WCE games without a win by a non-current player is Greg Harding with 9 losses.

They’re the only two Greg’s we’ve ever had. So West Coast Eagles named Greg are currently 0 wins from 25 games.'

The song from the great TISM said it all really. Crank it up...

 

[kp junior]

On Ginbey. Would like to know what position his old coach believes he should being playing in.

Former coach says Eagles are using top draftee Ginbey wrong

Reuben Ginbey’s former mentor says West Coast are playing their first-round draftee out of position - and risk hindering the development of their most valuable young asset.

thewest.com.au

Half back apparently


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[Ge3ks]

So they won't be recruiting this guy? Shame, he's talented and could help out in the ruck.

They could use the digusting brothers in HR. Mass sackings via Zoom meeting. Done and done.

 

[masai tu]

The logical thing to do is sacrifice Nisbett as it doesn't impact the cap. Somehow however I imagine he would be running the numbers against this...

Good old Teflon is a noted purveyor of horses heads.

 

[Nothing]

The song from the great TISM said it all really. Crank it up...

Love the contemporary cultural reference.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Love the contemporary cultural reference.

My duderino, when you are as old as I am, anything after Charlie Chaplin or Groucho Marx is contemporary.

Also while not strictly AFL discussion, RIP Tina. She had a big rugboie lerrrrgie following, but also had quite an AFL presence too during her various visits.
From back in the day when known carcinogenic smoking products shamelessly promoted sports...





I still remember watching the singing on stage with Senna like it was yesterday, I don't think anyone in the crowd expected to see him come out on stage, much less have that interaction with her, and her know so much about him.

Senna died less than a year after that second video. Amazing how Tina brought so much spontaneous joy to so many different types of sports, especially after such an awfully horrific earlier part of her career, subject to Ike's abuse and exploitation.

 

[DQ 4EVER]

My duderino, when you are as old as I am, anything after Charlie Chaplin or Groucho Marx is contemporary.

Also while not strictly AFL discussion, RIP Tina. She had a big rugboie lerrrrgie following, but also had quite an AFL presence too during her various visits.
From back in the day when known carcinogenic smoking products shamelessly promoted sports...

showed the much younger than me Mrs, River Deep Mountain High Tina live & she commented that she saw why Beyonce listed Tina as her greatest inspiration.
Not sure of all facts, but Tina was a legend!

 

[Madas]

Why should the charity-loving handout queens be getting a priority pick?

All I have heard from them for the last nearly 30 years is all about how amazingly well-run they are and how the "povo" and leper clubs should accept the cost of their ineptitude.

You need a spoon or two, Weavils, to scoop up a priority pick.

100% spot on
If they recieve a PP it will be a travesty of justice.

Luckily the VFL hates their guts for the whinging , cheating , entitled bunch of spoon fed flogs that they are .
They ain’t getting nothin !

 

[King Huskii]

100% spot on
If they recieve a PP it will be a travesty of injustice.

Luckily the VFL hates their guts for the whinging , cheating , entitled bunch of spoon fed flogs that they are .
They ain’t getting nothin !

Can only blame poor list management

They are cooked

 

[Wilksyy]

Amazing how a dope like this can fall so far.

Especially with his sister being the best woman's footballer in the world.

Must be s**t being the worst sports person in the family.

Oof isn't he a schizophrenic?

And nah, there's brother Levi who couldn't make East Freo colts.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

The WAFL thing is a particularly high-toned stink in the generally putrid aroma of the joint and completely redolent of the hubris of which we speak. No colts side, no development pathway, just some eager beaver ammos trundling around, for God knows what reason, with the hacks, the harmed and the half-formed. No system, no real clues going in, just this strongly-held belief that all they shat would be gold. "I must be right. I'm rich!"

If any of them are being weirded out by the glee with which their decline is being met, they should have considered their behaviour on the way up.

No denying our shambolic entire cluster fck. But the WAFC has hell to answer for given the amount of money they regularly bleed out of both our clubs the Football system in Western Australia is an absolute mess.

 

[mightymouse75]

No denying our shambolic entire cluster fck. But the WAFC has hell to answer for given the amount of money they regularly bleed out of both our clubs the Football system in Western Australia is an absolute mess.

You can blame the AFL for that.
Wafc can only bleed the
2 AFL teams to survive..

 

[Tonga Bob]

Anyone have access to this article?

 

[Monsterdarlz]

You can blame the AFL for that.
Wafc can only bleed the
2 AFL teams to survive..

The money could be better utilised and western Australian colts system is broken but I do agree AFL wastes a lot of money especially with GCS, GWS, North, STK

 

[Alfonz]

Backdated to when he was arrested in 2021, which means he walks free now? Has spent the last 2 years in jail.

He and Sam were pretty close. Really puts into context why Judd ran away, the amount of drug addled tools at West Coast during that period is incredible.

I have said it many times, but Judd never left because of the drugs. He was very good friends with Kerr (one of the worst offenders), and when Kerr saw the $$$ that Judd was getting, he was actually going to follow him to Carlton, but WC came through with a monster contract. It was simply family plus money for Judd, plus the final straw was he didn't like how WC were managing his groin injury. My source is impeccable and I was also told Judd to Carlton was a done deal long before it was ever mentioned in media, who initially ran with Collingwood.

 

[Taylor]

I have said it many times, but Judd never left because of the drugs. He was very good friends with Kerr (one of the worst offenders), and when Kerr saw the $$$ that Judd was getting, he was actually going to follow him to Carlton, but WC came through with a monster contract. It was simply family plus money for Judd, plus the final straw was he didn't like how WC were managing his groin injury. My source is impeccable and I was also told Judd to Carlton was a done deal long before it was ever mentioned in media, who initially ran with Collingwood.

Chris was offered $300,000 a year to be the environmental spokesperson for a cardboard company owned by the billionaires on the board of the club. All outside of the salary cap.

That's pretty compelling!

 

[Taylor]

100% spot on
If they recieve a PP it will be a travesty of justice.

Luckily the VFL hates their guts for the whinging , cheating , entitled bunch of spoon fed flogs that they are .
They ain’t getting nothin !

WC last played finals in 2020.
Freo last played finals (prior to last year) in 2015. No priority picks by 2022.

WC have until 2028 until they can get a PP on that standard, with no factoring in that they won a flag in 2018.

 

[greatgatsby]

Anyone have access to this article?

Usually prefer to provide Eliza's pieces on Freo but since this is a request ... (couldn't bring myself to leave the photos in).

‘With us or against us’: Why West Coast Eagles will pick stability over revolution​

A unique mix of club history, WAFC connections and financial interests inform West Coast’s resistance to change, writes MARK DUFFIELD.


4 min read
May 26, 2023 - 8:00AM

In order to understand where West Coast is at, it is helpful to remind yourself of what they grew out of.
They were established for entry into an expanded VFL competition in 1987 as a company, not a club.

They were allowed entry only because their $4 million licence fee helped save several VFL clubs who were technically insolvent. And they were not universally loved in their home state either because they replaced the WAFL as the premier football product in WA.
The much loved local competition had previously enjoyed the spotlight. It was quickly put in the shadows.
They were given a reduced squad to pick from, subjected to a ludicrous travel schedule and asked to pick up the travel bills of Victorian clubs who faced the inconvenience of having to fly to Perth once a year to play them.
Locally no WAFL club would allow them to use their home ground to train at so they trained where they could, often at makeshift suburban venues.

Indian Pacific Ltd, the company behind the Eagles, lost $13 million in three seasons. WA football teetered on the brink of total financial collapse. A West Australian Football Commission was established by the state government to save the code in WA and took over a majority share in the Eagles.
These rough beginnings have made the Eagles a unique beast. The WA Football Commision now owns 100 per cent of the licence but the men who helped establish the club as a company still feel a strong sense of ownership.
Plus, the onerous conditions the old VFL saddled them with in the early years and the attacks they were subjected to from their own home state encouraged a “you’re either with us or against us” attitude.
Out of that attitude and several strong playing lists grew a club that now has a membership of more than 100,000, net assets of more than $100 million, more premierships (four) since 1987 than any club other than Hawthorn (seven) and Geelong (also four) and a $60 million training base, $36 million of which they funded themselves.

West Coast will back themselves in the face of all odds and against the weight of public opinion. In theory there will come a time when they can or should no longer do it – either because of the damage to the club’s brand or the potential damage to coach Adam Simpson’s brand.
But in practise it will take longer than at most clubs to get to that point because they are insulated from the financial imperatives that drive other clubs to change.
They will still make money this year. Most of their members will sign up again for fear of being shut-out of Optus Stadium. And even if some don’t sign up there are thousands of Eagles supporters paying to be on a waiting list, hankering for the opportunity to get a seat who will take the place of those who walk away.
West Coast – as far as we can tell – continue to believe that the single major cause of the club’s current crisis is an unprecedented and ongoing injury epidemic which, in turn, has mainly been caused by contact injuries which are a matter of bad luck, not bad management.
The Eagles do not believe in revolution. Their record over the last 30 years has them confident they are a lot more likely to be right than wrong and, applying the “with us or against us” rule, if you strongly disagree with them you are therefore against them and out to get them.

They are also fiercely determined. People close to Simpson say he remains absolutely committed to see this through – even though some of these people believe that for Simpson’s own good and for the sake of his coaching future he probably should step away now.
CEO Trevor Nisbett has a contract that takes him through to the end of 2024 and in the wake of the 116 point loss to Hawthorn on Sunday chairman Paul Fitzpatrick declared him “in place” for the medium term – which in football terminology means at least for this year and probably well into next year.
Even if there is a need for change, it is worth remembering what the mechanism for change is and how that mechanism works in the WA football system.
The board of the Eagles can implement change – but that board is ratified by the WA Football Commission who in turn benefit from the profits the Eagles make. And West Coast in turn have an influence on who gets on the WA Football Commission.
It is a fact that both AFL clubs in WA are acutely aware of and are constantly ensuring they are represented on the WAFC board. And, knowing how volatile the AFL industry can be, they seek stability, not change.

Fitzpatrick for example was seen as a “steady as we go” appointment ahead of fellow board members like business high flyer Elizabeth Gaines and former State Treasurer Ben Wyatt.
The WAFC, who in theory can generate or push for change, is reluctant to interfere and is acutely aware of the money the Eagles generate.
Last year, in a two win season with two home crowds affected by Covid-19 restrictions, the Eagles handed over a $2.7 million royalty to the WAFC.
It is a symbiotic relationship, both politically and financially. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Former West Coast chairman Murray McHenry, who helped bring CEO Nisbett to power at the club at the end of 1998, was the chairman of the WAFC from 2015 to 2020 when he was replaced by former WA chief justice Wayne Martin who is part of McHenry’s circle of friends.

 

[FreoRicci]

Amusing also is Greg Clark, Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

30

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

in that group.
Clark is 26, Kelly is 28. There’s no midfield depth at all other then Ginbey. Kelly only has 3-5 years left, and he doesn’t seem like he’s interested in being the leader or player to put the team on his back. He’s just getting paid, comfortably at home inWA. He ll get 25+ disposals and be consistent without ever being elite.
Yeo, Shuey, Kelly, Sheed, Gaff are all over 27-32. Good luck to them, going to get worse before it steadies.
At least with Brayshaw, Cerra, Serong there was Mundy, Fyfe. Natural progression