In fairness, he is only 20 and has over a decade to go.
Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?
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I rated his defensive work and intercepting as absolute elite. I also rated Murphys work similar. The back line was outstanding. You could easily flip it, just my own bias of their on field impact
His first two years have been exceptional and far beyond anything of jack graham. There is no doubt what daicos has achieved in two years into an AFL professional career is freakish, but he has a long way to go.
I think the fair answer is yes he can get there and his career to date is amazing for a 20yo, but we won’t be able to give any real answer at all to such a question until another decades time.
It’s a very silly question to answer with any definity now, but for an ambitious optimistic collingwood fan casting his crystal ball, it probably isn’t that far fetched, and I don’t dismiss or begrudge it.
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Will never be the GOAT it isn't his role to be tough, physical at the contest or tackling.
Last paragraph, not far fetched that neutral fans believe he won't achieve those heights
Hogan had a brilliant first year, then struggled due to a number of reasons, on and off field
Lewis Taylor won a rising star and the accolades came think and fast
And I could list many more players on both sides of the ledger
Nicki has achieved nothing in his career that sets up apart from many others
You are right though, fairly arrogant, to not only roll out this thread but to defend it with contradictory facts, with each player mentioned, that has actually achieved something in the game
And, you have a guy like Sheezel that eclipsed Nicki's first year and was a year younger
Nicki is a supremely talented kid, but no where near at GOAT level projections
Nothing that sets him apart from others?? I don’t agree with that. He was averaging 31 touches a game in his second season and was in track to win the brownlow in his second season. In the professional AFL landscape since the game went full time pro that is unheard of.
I think when you project any second year afl player as going through m to be GOAT it has an incredibly large element of laughability to it for neutrals as of cause it’s far fetched and low odds for literally anyone in that spot.. people would have told you the same thing about Leigh matthews and Garry ablett senior their second seasons also. It’s just always an outrageous claim no matter who at that early point.
For an optimistic mad pie fan?? I can see the overt enthusiasm, but I can also see the laughter from oppo also.
It’s just a huge statement for any 20yo
Sheezel eclipsed his disposal average as a first year player and while only 2 games into his second year, he is already averaging more
While, being a full year younger in-season
Seen this a number of times, but people are missing some vital evidence. He polled in 11 of 20 games, so no guarantees he would win the Brownlow if he was on the park
We will also see if he can maintain last year's output in attracting votes. I'd lean slightly in the yes column, but I don't rate the Brownlow as high as other awards or achievements
I'd say the majority of people would agree
Agree again, so perhaps we should just enjoy Nicki's development
Many Pie supporters would be laughing
Agreed
Back to my original question. Does winning a flag place you in GOAT conversations? Absolutely not, nor is nearly winning a brownlow
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Who the f is Nathan Murphy?
How about the guy you let go to Sydney? He drove the wagon.
Tough as a rusted 6 inch nail.
To answer your last question: no and no.
You can argue he wouldn’t have won the brownlow but you can also argue he was red hot fav to win it ( he was literally leading the poll when he got injured) so it is very fair to say he was close to winning it.
I get that it is hyperbole and I just think as I said previously hyperbole for any second year player. But put yourself in the shoes of some fanatical die hard optimistic pie fans. If one of your second year mids was about to win a brownlow before being struck by injury, you would probably be pretty excited also. I can see where fadge is getting his excitement from.
Tbh I think any second year player subject to this discussions and scrutiny is a bit unfair in the media. And let me tell you… the players do follow the media… I have been inside the north Melbourne footy club and literally seen the players come into the room for a coffee, pick up the herald sun and flip to the sports section and a few of them screaming profanities…
What guy to Sydney?? I support geelong
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Adams.
I apologise cat man.
Now please send an email to your nut job coach and send Stewart to the forward line so my fantasy team scores better.
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Is he playing full time midfield? A bit more half back or wing I reckon. He played there against us last year on Anzac Day and absolutely sliced us to ribbons. I walked away from that game believing the hype.
His strengths seem to be running, vision and disposal, set him up to take max advantage of them.
His strengths seem to be running, vision and disposal, set him up to take max advantage of them.
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So what individual awards do you rate higher than the Brownlow?
The Coaches Award, that he was also leading comfortably before he went down with injury?
The AFLPA MVP, the award he came a narrow runner-up in (and it is reasonable to think many players would have flipped their votes in favour of Bontempelli late as a result of a full season compared to an individual season)?
Club Best and Fairest in a flag year? He came a narrow runner-up, despite missing 4 games. For comparison, in the year Fyfe won the Vriwnlow despite missing 4 games, he finished 4th in his club's Best and Fairest (behind Sandilands, Mundy and Hill).
What more could have Daicos have done in 2023 to enable the all knowing Arr0w to rate him?
Exactly
That's why some expecting him to be going and laying crunching tackles at stoppages is odd. He's hurt factor to the opposition is when getting free at the contest.
I would suggest the he is probably coached to do just that.
Fadge you really have an unhealthy fixation with Nicki nearly winning awards and seeking validation of why that makes him a talented player and in a GOAT conversation
At no stage have I stated that I don't rate him, but the facts are he doesn't sit above some other young players currently in the game
Some of his strengths are astounding, but so are some of his weaknesses
Hopefully, Fly repositions him back to HB, where his is better suited for himself and the team
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OK, so what more could he have done in 2023 to enable him to be 'rated above other young players currently in the game' in the eyes of the all-knowing Arr0w?
I see you baulked the question about which individual awards you rate higher than the Brownlow, which is understandable given Daicos would have taken out every one of them had he not had his home and away season cut short with injury...
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0/3 happened
News flash, players get injured. If you want to align "nearly" winning awards as justification, go right ahead, but there was never any guarantees upon his return
Hopefully Nicki remains healthy and continues to play in the middle, then we will all see if he can maintain his output to greatness
So far, he is no where near the level of his first 3 games as a HBF in 2023, nor will he maintain his much publized vote average over that period, which has been used as evidence as to why he would have won the brownlow of any other award
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Incorrect.
The 'facts' are that he IS rated THE BEST young player in the game, and undisputedly in the best handful of players in the game.
If you're in any doubt, check out the various lists of Top 50 players shared by the various media outlets leading into the 2024 season.
They all had Bont and Daicos in the top 2 (in either order).
This was on the back of him undisputedly performing as one of the best two players in the game (with Bont), in only his second season.
Unless you can share alternate 'facts'?
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Where does Robbo have him? Thats the only measure I trust.
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Fudgey 2 weeks ago you were telling us that Daicos was the clear best player in the game in 2023... Now you're conceding that Bontempelli was either as good if not better. Get your story straight...
PS - Bontempelli was better.
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To Arr0w's question about Sheezel having a better first year than Daicos....
I didn't see enough North Melbourne games to have an informed opinion on this.
What is undisputable is that Sheezel had a great season, awarded his Club Best and Fairest in his first season.
From what I saw, he seemed to play a similar role to Daicos in his first season, and was a very good ball user and decision maker.
But Sheezel does seem 'safer' and 'less creative' than Daicos with ball in hand, though that is what sets Daicos apart from most other players in the competition.
Sheezel also won his B&F in a poor team, whereas Daicos was playing in a team who narrowly missed out on a Grand Final birth in his first season.
However, this thread was started on the back of Daicos' second season, so let's see if Sheezel can reach similar heights in 2024 that were reached by Daicos in 2023.
To Arr0w - feel free to share why you believe Sheezel's first season was clearly superior to that of Daicos, on the assumption you saw enough of both of them play to arrive at an informed opinion.
I didn't see enough North Melbourne games to have an informed opinion on this.
What is undisputable is that Sheezel had a great season, awarded his Club Best and Fairest in his first season.
From what I saw, he seemed to play a similar role to Daicos in his first season, and was a very good ball user and decision maker.
But Sheezel does seem 'safer' and 'less creative' than Daicos with ball in hand, though that is what sets Daicos apart from most other players in the competition.
Sheezel also won his B&F in a poor team, whereas Daicos was playing in a team who narrowly missed out on a Grand Final birth in his first season.
However, this thread was started on the back of Daicos' second season, so let's see if Sheezel can reach similar heights in 2024 that were reached by Daicos in 2023.
To Arr0w - feel free to share why you believe Sheezel's first season was clearly superior to that of Daicos, on the assumption you saw enough of both of them play to arrive at an informed opinion.
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As per my assessment, Daicos was clearly the best player in the game in 2023, and I've shared the rationale for that assessment.
Though I do understand why others would have had Bont ahead of him - the fact he missed fewer games and had a greater leadership role in his team.
It's not fact, it's opinion
Media? Point in case
Had, not have and still an opinion
I'm still waiting for facts
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