Moved Thread Neutral fans: Hawkins or Riewoldt?

Neutral fans: Who’s the better player over the course of their 16 seasons

  • Tom Hawkins

    Votes: 238 69.8%
  • Jack Riewoldt

    Votes: 103 30.2%

  • Total voters
    341

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Hawkins. Seems to get better every year. His assists and ability to dominate the ruck in the F50 sets him apart in my opinion.

Jack has been great though.
 
Idk if I’m allowed to comment on this thread cause I wouldn’t be considered neutral. But Jack beats him in all areas apart from AA and score assists even if it’s just marginally. 3 Coleman’s to 1 is pretty telling. Jacks prime also helped win more flags than Hawkins. Amazingly Hawkins prime has been the last 2-3 years and the cats haven’t delivered. Jack also started at a worse off club and played a big role in turning it around, Hawkins didn’t he actually came into a dynasty side in his first year. Riewoldt was also the only full forward in the 2017 flag and 2018. That is more impressive than anything Hawkins has done.
 
Yeah, Junktime Jack kicked 5 while having zero influence on the game.

Tom Hawkins won a Norm Smith because he won the game for Geelong.

Its actually impressive to kick that many goals yet not actually help the team win.

Jesus Hairy, I thought we made a pretty good tag team against cats supporters. Don’t do this to me now
 

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Always fun how the thread is directed at neutral fans but Richmond posters swarm the thread anyway with their misinformation and disagree reacts. So funny and predictable.

Almost as good as the thread about Essendon that turned out to actually be about Richmond. Somehow.

I only commented cause of the swarm of cats supporters posting on the first page of the thread. People hate Richmond because we have had success recently compared to the cats, tall poppy syndrome skews the “neutral” fans opinions to go for Hawkins and also Jack is not a very likeable player, if he didn’t play for Richmond I’d hate him, his face would give me the shits. Nothing is unbiased on here. In the end Jack will have a more decorated career and in generations to come people will just look at his awards in the record books and say he is better. That’s good enough for me.
 
I only commented cause of the swarm of cats supporters posting on the first page of the thread. People hate Richmond because we have had success recently compared to the cats, tall poppy syndrome skews the “neutral” fans opinions to go for Hawkins and also Jack is not a very likeable player, if he didn’t play for Richmond I’d hate him, his face would give me the shits. Nothing is unbiased on here. In the end Jack will have a more decorated career and in generations to come people will just look at his awards in the record books and say he is better. That’s good enough for me.

Swarm of cats supporters posting on the first page? Maybe check again. Removing the OP and another post reminding folks that it's "for neutrals only", tigers are winning the count comfortably (10-6). Good try though.
 
I only commented cause of the swarm of cats supporters posting on the first page of the thread. People hate Richmond because we have had success recently compared to the cats, tall poppy syndrome skews the “neutral” fans opinions to go for Hawkins and also Jack is not a very likeable player, if he didn’t play for Richmond I’d hate him, his face would give me the shits. Nothing is unbiased on here. In the end Jack will have a more decorated career and in generations to come people will just look at his awards in the record books and say he is better. That’s good enough for me.

Gary Ablett Snr has less Premierships than Jack.

People without a brain might simply look at the record books and declare Jack is better than Nick too.
 
Gary Ablett Snr has less Premierships than Jack.

People without a brain might simply look at the record books and declare Jack is better than Nick too.

Not in premierships, I’m just talking individual awards. Coleman’s are the equivalent to the Brownlow for forwards. It’s 3 to 1. I think the most ever is 4 Coleman’s. Which is what Buddy has, GAS also has 3. That’s how elite Jack is, he is almost as good as these guys. Jack is also like 15th in all time goals kicked. People who say Hawkins is miles better really have no idea. He is either equal or worse. Hawkins is no doubt better now which again skews the “neutral” fans opinions. It really isn’t a contest otherwise.

Also Nick isn’t a FF so you can’t really compare them. Just like you can’t say Jack is better than Wayne Carey cause he has kicked more goals than him. Carey wasn’t a FF either.
 
Swarm of cats supporters posting on the first page? Maybe check again. Removing the OP and another post reminding folks that it's "for neutrals only", tigers are winning the count comfortably (10-6). Good try though.

Bro the thread was made by a cats supporter and STP was the first unbiased supporter to comment
 
Not in premierships, I’m just talking individual awards. Coleman’s are the equivalent to the Brownlow for forwards. It’s 3 to 1. I think the most ever is 4 Coleman’s. Which is what Buddy has, GAS also has 3. That’s how elite Jack is, he is almost as good as these guys. Jack is also like 15th in all time goals kicked. People who say Hawkins is miles better really have no idea. He is either equal or worse. Hawkins is no doubt better now which again skews the “neutral” fans opinions. It really isn’t a contest otherwise.

A Coleman isn't analogous to a Brownlow when measuring a forward's value.

Hawkins has a few less goals, but averages more Goal Assists. In Jack's early days he kicked more goals than he does today, but was a less valuable team player.

None of the above are close to Buddy, Carey or GAS as actual players.

Wayne Carey has 0 Coleman Medals but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who argues Carey isn't a better forward than Hawkins or either Reiwoldt that isn't a one-eyed supporter.

I think it's fair to argue Jack Reiwoldt and Hawkins are similar; they average similar score involvements (Reiwoldt a few more goals himself, Hawkins a few more assists) and marks i50. I'd put Nick ahead of both, personally. But none on the same planet as Buddy of forwards this era.

If you think having a similar number of Colemans as Buddy or GAS, and many more than Carey, makes Jack 'almost' as good as any of them, then I think you're very, very wrong.
 

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