McCarthy goes home

[mpal6]

GWS made an absolute meal out of this.

Not sure how. Cam can still retire, go back home and play in WAFL. sorted.

He just wants the best of both worlds.. "sign me up on a contract extension so I have job security in the early stages of my career". Later when there is a good offer on table, "trade me so I can go home and take the better contract". The weight loss and anxiety issues are sad to see but this is Cam and his manager's own making.

They can still sort this though, retire and leave.

 

[purplerunsdeep]

Fremantle's embarrassing trade history has played a role here. They got burnt so many times in the early years by other AFL clubs they expect the new kids in the playground to fold like a cheap suit just as they did for so many years. The offer was not even close to true value and the supporters are to simpleminded to realise it.

This literally has no basis. We offered a fair trade for cam - potentially overs, just as we did for Harley.

It became a face-saving exercise for GWS. No doubt our reading history is flakey but your generalising making your statement ill informed and embarrassing.

Somehow freo have been made the villain here - we did what we could. The blame should be aimed at Colin > GWS > cam

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

because if you back out of a contract you can start work somewhere else the next day

Bullshit. There are non-compete clauses in contracts all the time in business.
Ever heard of the term "gardening leave"

 

[Tigerland]

Freo posters have been claiming he was over there last break on the piss with his mates. Not sure he should be drinking with his alleged mental health issues.

It does seem strange that Cam or his manager wasn't talking about needing a break from the game around trade time.

The whole story reflects pretty badly on him but the player has to have some benefit of the doubt as we don't know the full story.

As for his manager well..., no benefit of the doubt for him. Managers like him and others continue to acts in ways that make them impossible to trust and believe.

 

[Colonial]

This literally has no basis. We offered a fair trade for cam - potentially overs, just as we did for Harley.

It became a face-saving exercise for GWS. No doubt our reading history is flakey but your generalising making your statement ill informed and embarrassing.

Somehow freo have been made the villain here - we did what we could. The blame should be aimed at Colin > GWS > cam

And this doesnt hapoen if freo dont put an offer to him early 2015.
Then cant get a trade done. Tsk tsk

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Well GWS and their hard line has turned to shit. Blind Freddy could see he wasn't happy there and this would happen. I notice in their presser they are concerned for his welfare .Where was the concern 5 months ago. Stupid decision to force him to stay. Gws should have accepted a deal.

Was a rubbish deal.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Don't know about homesick.
I bet say if Collingwood offered him $800k next season he'd suddenly think Melbourne would be very soothing for the soul.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

You have no idea what Freo offered, or what he is dealing with.

It is obviously pretty serious if he has decided to go home. (Could be depression)

By all reports GWS did not consider trading him, and now they have egg on there face.

Neither do you.
Could be leprosy, could be lupus.

 

[Yeti]

And this doesnt hapoen if freo dont put an offer to him early 2015.
Then cant get a trade done. Tsk tsk

Really? I can't find any evidence that that is true.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...y/news-story/e0110bdf0798a978123f665dd4a4db8f

Cam McCarthy’s excellent run of form has caught the eye of rival clubs, with the Greater Western Sydney goalkicker now in demand.

Fremantle is believed to be the most interested in the pony-tailed forward, who has shot to prominence in his second season with a stunning 28.9 from 11 games.

McCarthy is contracted at the Giants until the end of 2017, but that has not deterred the Dockers, who along with Michael Apeness, think he can fill the void when Matthew Pavlich retires.

Fremantle have cooled on wayward Gold Coast big man Charlie Dixon in recent weeks and is hopeful it can organise a trade for McCarthy, 20.

At least two other Melbourne clubs have also made inquiries.

Went through a lot of pre-September articles but can't find any evidence that Fremantle offered a contract back in the May-July period. if you have a read of that article Fremantle are also linked to Aaron Black (contracted) and Jesse Hogan. As they have been with every KPF for the last 10 years.

 

[Ben Johnson]

Not sure how. Cam can still retire, go back home and play in WAFL. sorted.

He just wants the best of both worlds.. "sign me up on a contract extension so I have job security in the early stages of my career". Later when there is a good offer on table, "trade me so I can go home and take the better contract". The weight loss and anxiety issues are sad to see but this is Cam and his manager's own making.

They can still sort this though, retire and leave.

I don't think you know what a contract is.

Are you Cam??????

 

[Colonial]

Really? I can't find any evidence that that is true.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...y/news-story/e0110bdf0798a978123f665dd4a4db8f




Went through a lot of pre-September articles but can't find any evidence that Fremantle offered a contract back in the May-July period. if you have a read of that article Fremantle are also linked to Aaron Black (contracted) and Jesse Hogan. As they have been with every KPF for the last 10 years.

Jay Clarke tweeted it a while a go.

 

[Yeti]

Jay Clarke tweeted it a while a go.

Ok, just did a quick search, the only tweets about McCarthy from him regarding a contract is as follows:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">$700,000 a year from Freo for McCarthy? No wonder he&#39;s leaving. Would struggle to get half that at GWS.</p>&mdash; Jay Clark (@ClarkyHeraldSun) <a href="">September 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Which was in September, not early 2015. I wonder if this was in fact true (which I doubt as he is the only person who has used this number).

I can see a few scenarios as to how this number was thrown out:
A) It was in fact true
B) Jay Clarke made it up with no basis
C) Colin Young put it out there to pressure GWS to give him a pay rise due to his first half of 2015. GWS Baulk and he threatens to take him to Fremantle.
D) The offer was made after McCarthy and his management approach Fremantle saying they want out, can their demands be met (I still doubt the figure).

The point I am trying to make is that both GWS and Fremantle fans on here are slinging poo at each other and a lot of posters seem to have limited facts. Neither club is to blame for the current situation, they are only looking out for their own club's best interest.

Which club wouldn't have gone after McCarthy if his agent approached them?

Which Club wouldn't baulk at the trade if they had him contracted for another 2 years.

 

[mpal6]

I don't think you know what a contract is.

Are you Cam??????

Huh? That post does not make any sense. I don't think you understand the context of my post. You sure sound like Colin Young. Go back and read the post again before targeting the poster.

If McCarthy retires tomorrow and leaves, GWS can't stop it. If homesickness is at such serious level, he should make this choice and look after his well being first. Just can't play AFL anymore until whatever period needs to lapse, so he can't do a Mal Michael.

 

[Ben Johnson]

Huh? That post does not make any sense. I don't think you understand the context of my post. You sure sound like Colin Young. Go back and read the post again before targeting the poster.

If McCarthy retires tomorrow and leaves, GWS can't stop it. If homesickness is at such serious level, he should make this choice and look after his well being first. Just can't play AFL anymore until whatever period needs to lapse, so he can't do a Mal Michael.

No. We can stop him playing ANY football for this year, and next.

That's how contracts work.

 

[HairyO]

i would go as far as to say ANY other club in the AFL would trade out a player who didn't want to be there. Sure they will negiotate and give them a carrot to stay (ie: money, gametime etc) but forcing people to stay is something out of the early 90s. Free Agency is here, the way contracts work in society is different and forcing people to stay isn't going to fly.

Hawthorn really wanted Jed Anderson for 2017 after a couple of players retire. He really wanted to play football in 2016.

North Melbourne made a sweet deal and everyone is happy.

Its that easy. It really is.

Freo were fiddling around trying to get McCarthy and Bennell and were playing games. Because of it they had to beg Pav to stay another year because they were left without a key forward.

If Freo really wanted McCarthy they would have got the deal done. It would have been too good for GWS to refuse - despite them saying they wouldnt trade.

Just like Brisbane and Aish. Just like GWS and Treloar. Both were wanted by their clubs but ultimately traded because the deals were sweet enough.

The 2 clown clubs of the trade period were St Kilda and Freo. Possibly Richmond who didnt get anyone, but clearly were not 100% invested in getting players.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

No. We can stop him playing ANY football for this year, and next.

That's how contracts work.

He can play amo's - just can't play footy and get paid unless released. I'd love GWS to enforce this. Would lay dollars to donuts Cam would suddenly feel heaps better after a 2-3 month stand off and would book a sulky plane ticket back to Sydney...

 

[MickyG]

The media widely reported at the time that Freo only went at McCarthy half-cocked. If Carlisle was worth essentially pick 5, Cam was (is) worth a lot more than an end of 1st round pick and early 2nd rounder.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-09/dockers-to-offer-two-firstround-picks-for-giant-mccarthy

says the Dockers were offering 1st round for two years. Was his manager dreaming or was that the real offer? Probably BS. If it was the real offer then it is worth 1,067 points times two equals 2,134 points over two years which is between picks 3 and 4 in any one year. That's what I thought was a fair offer. When GWS have Cameron and Patton I don't get their obsession with keeping McCathy. With GWS having multiple high quality kids in their Academy over the next few years they need the points so trading was sensible to me.

 

[HowieD]

No. We can stop him playing ANY football for this year, and next.

That's how contracts work.

I hope GWS do. Then no player on that list who has -any- sense in their head would ever sign a contract of more than two years with the club.

 

[Ben Johnson]

He can play amo's - just can't play footy and get paid unless released. I'd love GWS to enforce this. Would lay dollars to donuts can felt heaps better after a 2-3 month stand off and would book a sulky plane ticket back to Sydney...

If he can play amos, why don't AFL players play with their mates in local leagues on the weekend?

 

[Ben Johnson]

I hope GWS do. Then no player on that list who has -any- sense in their head would ever sign a contract of more than two years with the club.

Players that buy in and want to stay will more than happily sign.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Now we get him for nothing.Well played Freo.

By the time 2018 comes around after his contract has expired and him being home with his Buddies,Yep can see him being in peak condition.Least he will be your whole fwd line:

 

[Slax]

All I can say to the GWS fans who said keeping him was the right thing for the club, such on it.

As a Lions fan who saw what happened at our place I said the best thing to do is let him go and screw Freo for as much as you can. The club tried to play hardball and it has blown up in their face massively. Now have a key player who will do nothing and his value has just gone down on the trade table.

 

[Ben Johnson]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-09/dockers-to-offer-two-firstround-picks-for-giant-mccarthy

says the Dockers were offering 1st round for two years. Was his manager dreaming or was that the real offer? Probably BS. If it was the real offer then it is worth 1,067 points times two equals 2,134 points over two years which is between picks 3 and 4 in any one year. That's what I thought was a fair offer. When GWS have Cameron and Patton I don't get their obsession with keeping McCathy. With GWS having multiple high quality kids in their Academy over the next few years they need the points so trading was sensible to me.

But it wasn't pick 3 or 4 in any one year.
It was two years worth of points that tallied up to that figure.

 

[Suma Magic]

It's just so hard to see how Freo were ever going to afford him at the trade table.

Hopefully they didn't give him false hope in that regard.

 

[Giant Strides]

Ok, just did a quick search, the only tweets about McCarthy from him regarding a contract is as follows:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">$700,000 a year from Freo for McCarthy? No wonder he&#39;s leaving. Would struggle to get half that at GWS.</p>&mdash; Jay Clark (@ClarkyHeraldSun) <a href="">September 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Which was in September, not early 2015.

The point I am trying to make is that both GWS and Fremantle fans on here are slinging poo at each other and a lot of posters seem to have limited facts. Neither club is to blame for the current situation, they are only looking out for their own club's best interest.

Which club wouldn't have gone after McCarthy if his agent approached them?

Which Club wouldn't baulk at the trade if they had him contracted for another 2 years.

Yeti I agree with much of what you've said in your last two posts. From the GWS fans' perspective, the June story about Freo being interested in Cam is suspiciously close to when his homesickness issues are alleged to have arisen to give a belief that June was the timeframe in which either Freo contacted Colin Young about Cam or Young went to Freo. You're right in that nothing can be proven.

But then the majority of what has been discussed across the many threads on this topic is primarily based on speculation and interpretations of statements by the various involved parties. As if those with vested interests wouldn't spin their statements to suit their interests. But I can't disagree with General Giant's view that if Freo weren't compliant in seeking to gain McCarthy (but who could really blame them?) then this issue would not have arisen. But I don't think too many people (except a few self-congratulatory posters in these forums) really thought the situation would reach the point it has.

Agree that there's a lot of rubbish being tossed up and both GWS and Freo were doing what they thought best for their club - after all, the game is a commercial one these days. And mostly those alleging GWS has treated Cam poorly and just as some chattel, wouldn't actually know what GWS did or did not do for Cam.