List Mgmt. List Management Discussion for 2022

[Ned Ryerson]

Follow the draft and its quality first before making that claim.

We are rebuilding and you have to have a certain number of players on your list. BB likely won’t go around again, I can’t see us re-signing Howe or Hartigan. If Brockman departs that’s 4 gone already. Even during our premiership years during ‘shallow drafts’ we used picks in the 50s and 60s. If we have 2 picks in our 50s we’ll be using them - particularly if we don’t get any other first or second round picks in the door.

 

[HedgeFund]

Mitchell to the Tiges makes a hell of a lot of sense.

Fills a glaring need in their list.

What does Mitchell do that Prestia doesn’t?

 

[Simon Crawshay]

What does Mitchell do that Prestia doesn’t?

At the very least he would be insurance for the Tiges.

When Prestia goes down (and he has history with injuries) they don't really have another contested ball winner in their team.

 

[burner1]

What does Mitchell do that Prestia doesn’t?

Is fit for 22 matches a year. Cotchin will retire and Edwards is 33.

 

[HedgeFund]

Is fit for 22 matches a year. Cotchin will retire and Edwards is 33.

They’d just give more midfield time to Jack Ross, Liam Baker, Jack Graham, Shai Bolton and Daniel Rioli.

Why waste time picking up Mitchell when you’ve got blokes of that quality already in the 22?

 

[Jazzfan]

Despite a relatively long list none really seem critical to our future.

Morris/Ramsden/Blanck - contracted for next year

Possible retirees: BB, shiels

Will get extended: Morrison

May move on: Brockman, Gunston, wingard, howe?

Calls to be made: Phillips, downie, Seamus, Jeka, callow, Saunders (a lot prob saved by apparent lack of depth in draft)

The 2020 draft is shaping up as a bit of a waste unfortunately.

Downie and Seamus might get another year, but equally wouldn't shock if they are delisted. Maybe a second chance as a rookie.

If Brockman actually leaves, we will get nothing of value in return sadly.

Far too early to call on DGB right now. But it would only be blind optimism suggesting as fact that he is going to be elite. Reality is from what we have seen, at both AFL and VFL level, it could go either way.

I've said it plenty, but DGB just has to hit for us. With the lack of quality picks we have had, and how hard it is to find a gun key back, we just can't miss here...

 

[Simon Crawshay]

They’d just give more midfield time to Jack Ross, Liam Baker, Jack Graham, Shai Bolton and Daniel Rioli.

Why waste time picking up Mitchell when you’ve got blokes of that quality already in the 22?

Because if you are contending right now like the tiges are I would argue that Mitchell is still currently better than any in that list at playing his specific role as an inside accumulator.

And every team needs a player to fill this role.

 

[fairdinks]

It is going to be a difficult time with list management. We may shed a lot of players depending on what free agents and draft depth there are. I can see us trying to balance that 22 to 26 yr old bracket with free agents or late trades. Proven depth if you like.

My outs would be Sheils, Howe and Hartigan as delisted free agents. Brock as a late trade out, Downie, Mitchell and maybe Saunders delisted.

I feel one of Callow or Jeka will not get a contract. I am not sure either are up to it but id keep Callow simply as tall backup as he offers more endeavour. Jeka may have the talent but he is showing the same traits he did in his draft year which is why he went so late (lack of effort). That's 8....

I have a feeling Gunstan will play one more as will Big Boy. No idea where Chad will be but i think he stays on a reduced rate. I hope JOM and TOM stay.

Our seniors then become Gunstan, Bruest, Chad and McEvoy. That is fine in my books as the load shifts to the younger players.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Problem I don’t see Callow or Jeka making it. Callow is very limited and for all the talent Jeka has, he just doesn’t want it anywhere near bad enough. Gives no effort while out there.

Serong looks good so far but will need to put on size to even stand a chance at the top level.

A big problem with our list is that we just don’t have anywhere near enough great younger players coming through.

I think we are doing ok if the talles, which take longe,r like Reeves, Kosi and Blanck all come on.

19 - Ward
20 - Newcombe, MacDonald, Bulter and Brockman
21 - Day, Kosi and Blanck
22 - Moore
23 - CJ, Lewis, Scrimmers, Worps, Reeves

 

[Simon Crawshay]

I think we are doing ok if the talles, which take longe,r like Reeves, Kosi and Blanck all come on.

19 - Ward
20 - Newcombe, MacDonald, Bulter and Brockman
21 - Day, Kosi and Blanck
22 - Moore
23 - CJ, Lewis, Scrimmers, Worps, Reeves

18 to 23 cohort looks okay. Still early days for some players but overall pretty good.

If we did the same break down for the 23 to 28 and 28 to 33 cohort though it would make for pretty depressing reading I think.

That’s my worry, we are putting so much pressure on the 18 to 23 year olds to lead the club forward with bugger all support from the more senior age brackets and that strategy has a history of blowing up badly.

 

[theiaofseed]

I think we are doing ok if the talles, which take longe,r like Reeves, Kosi and Blanck all come on.

19 - Ward, Ramsden
20 - Newcombe, MacDonald, Bulter, DBG and Brockman
21 - Day, Kosi and Blanck
22 - Moore
23 - CJ, Lewis, Scrimmers, Worps, Reeves, Morrison, Nash, Lynch

Breust, Gunston, Mitchell, O'Merea the only players from the weekends game that wont be playing in 6 years. Do people really think our list doesn;t have enough young talent?

 

[H00t]

Breust, Gunston, Mitchell, O'Merea the only players from the weekends game that wont be playing in 6 years. Do people really think our list doesn;t have enough young talent?

We have a young list comparatively to other teams. Problem is for me that we don’t have enough quality young players. A lot of our younger players haven’t shown enough to say they will make it.

And most of the ones that will haven’t really shown enough to suggest they will spearhead a premiership assault, at least in my eyes. We are still missing mids and some forwards.

 

[H00t]

I think we are doing ok if the talles, which take longe,r like Reeves, Kosi and Blanck all come on.

19 - Ward
20 - Newcombe, MacDonald, Bulter and Brockman
21 - Day, Kosi and Blanck
22 - Moore
23 - CJ, Lewis, Scrimmers, Worps, Reeves

We definitely need them all to come on. Still need the third forward to partner Lewis and Kosi.

Reeves will help our mids but we still need to find some top liners there. I like our young guys. We just need more.

 

[theiaofseed]

We have a young list comparatively to other teams. Problem is for me that we don’t have enough quality young players. A lot of our younger players haven’t shown enough to say they will make it.

And most of the ones that will haven’t really shown enough to suggest they will spearhead a premiership assault, at least in my eyes. We are still missing mids and some forwards.

Ward, Newcombe, MacDonald, Day, Kosi, Moore, CJ, Lewis, Scrimmers, Worps and Reeves have all to me shown they will not only make it but be big pieces in our next finals campaign

 

[KermitJagger]

We are rebuilding and you have to have a certain number of players on your list. BB likely won’t go around again, I can’t see us re-signing Howe or Hartigan. If Brockman departs that’s 4 gone already. Even during our premiership years during ‘shallow drafts’ we used picks in the 50s and 60s. If we have 2 picks in our 50s we’ll be using them - particularly if we don’t get any other first or second round picks in the door.

Reckon Big Boy goes round again for sure, feel the young rucks need him as does our midfield. If he wasn't planning to he likely would have retired when he hurt his neck.

Whether he's there for the next premiership or not doesn't matter - he's such a steadying influence on the ground.

Reckon we lose Howe and Hartigan, Shiels almost a certainty of retiring or moving on given his removal from the side at multiple times through this year. For my money Morris is gone too.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Reckon Big Boy goes round again for sure, feel the young rucks need him as does our midfield. If he wasn't planning to he likely would have retired when he hurt his neck.

Whether he's there for the next premiership or not doesn't matter - he's such a steadying influence on the ground.

Reckon we lose Howe and Hartigan, Shiels almost a certainty of retiring or moving on given his removal from the side at multiple times through this year. For my money Morris is gone too.

I think Reeves is capable now to be our go-to ruckman with Lynch as backup. That Geelong game prior to him being injured we were playing exceptionally good footy and Reeves was killing it - then he did his shoulder and we had to scramble to a win. Another pre-season and the confidence of this season has me fairly comfortable with Reeves being able to keep the ruck position. A 33 year old McEvoy who has taken a fair bit of damage over the journey isn't something I am comfortable with. Even if he plays down back or up forward that is taking opportunities from younger blokes.

 

[KermitJagger]

I think Reeves is capable now to be our go-to ruckman with Lynch as backup. That Geelong game prior to him being injured we were playing exceptionally good footy and Reeves was killing it - then he did his shoulder and we had to scramble to a win. Another pre-season and the confidence of this season has me fairly comfortable with Reeves being able to keep the ruck position. A 33 year old McEvoy who has taken a fair bit of damage over the journey isn't something I am comfortable with. Even if he plays down back or up forward that is taking opportunities from younger blokes.

Players are able to develop in the seconds. Besides, having McEvoy on the list doesn't mean McEvoy being automatically locked in - if performances demand it he won't be taking opportunities from anyone younger particularly if they're playing better football than he is.

McEvoy can still play a really important role in the team, down the line option and on field leader. Pairing Reeves with McEvoy is only going to make Reeves a better ruck in a shorter time frame. He's more important now than ever given the age of every other ruck on the list, and Lynch's ongoing concussion issues.

 

[Baz_hawk]

I think we give the talls in Jeka and Callow one more year each. Talls generally are slower to develop and both have earned senior call ups so they are doing some things right. But more than this, we need back-up talls if we lose Kosi or Lewis to injury. Bringing in another raw forward doesn't solve a problem like this.

Priority needs to be midfield and a small forward for mine. Defensively we have the personnel but we lack the upfield defensive support to shelter them from being bombarded.

That's my 2c.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Players are able to develop in the seconds. Besides, having McEvoy on the list doesn't mean McEvoy being automatically locked in - if performances demand it he won't be taking opportunities from anyone younger particularly if they're playing better football than he is.

McEvoy can still play a really important role in the team, down the line option and on field leader. Pairing Reeves with McEvoy is only going to make Reeves a better ruck in a shorter time frame. He's more important now than ever given the age of every other ruck on the list, and Lynch's ongoing concussion issues.

You could be right. And I am not anti-Big Boy - just have to wonder how his body is holding up. Also have to wonder if Ramsden's mid-season drafting was more about an insurance policy ruck-wise for next year moreso than this year knowing that McEvoy has told people internally this will be his final season.

 

[Delisted]

The 2020 draft is shaping up as a bit of a waste unfortunately.

Downie and Seamus might get another year, but equally wouldn't shock if they are delisted. Maybe a second chance as a rookie.

If Brockman actually leaves, we will get nothing of value in return sadly.

Far too early to call on DGB right now. But it would only be blind optimism suggesting as fact that he is going to be elite. Reality is from what we have seen, at both AFL and VFL level, it could go either way.

I've said it plenty, but DGB just has to hit for us. With the lack of quality picks we have had, and how hard it is to find a gun key back, we just can't miss here...

He really does need to hit and I’m really hoping he does. In saying that when was the last time a top 6 pick on a KPD actually made it?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

He really does need to hit and I’m really hoping he does. In saying that when was the last time a top 6 pick on a KPD actually made it?

Darcy Moore was pick 9 and Jake Lever was pick 14. Weitering took time but was pick 1. May was a priority zone selection for Gold Coast so hard to say what he would have been picked at otherwise.

 

[Jazzfan]

Breust, Gunston, Mitchell, O'Merea the only players from the weekends game that wont be playing in 6 years. Do people really think our list doesn;t have enough young talent?

To contend? Without question.

We need to keep drafting.

 

[HedgeFund]

Breust, Gunston, Mitchell, O'Merea the only players from the weekends game that wont be playing in 6 years. Do people really think our list doesn;t have enough young talent?

Well that’s 18 out of 22 players in a team currently on a 9 out of 10 losing streak.

So I’d be one saying we could do with more talent, young or otherwise.

 

[Beandip]

I'm comforted by Morrison's performance on the weekend in a wet slog - I always thought he was neat and capable building into a handy depth player; but if this becomes more the norm than the exception, it's a blunt reminder that people's expectations are shortening, i.e. wanting immediate best-22 from 18yos.... this never used to be the case, always expect an apprenticeship and then build until funnily enough 23-24

 

[HedgeFund]

He really does need to hit and I’m really hoping he does. In saying that when was the last time a top 6 pick on a KPD actually made it?

Weitering and (in the fullness time hopefully) P. McCartin, though he was a forward when recruited.

Doughnuts since 2015 though.

Recruiters have shied away from picking KPDs with first round picks. Makes sense when you look at how long it takes for them to develop.