List Mgmt. List Management 2024-25

[Holden Hillbilly]

10 players that we could trade for:
Leek Aleer is 194cm from Centrals

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[Us against the rest]

Why? He was easily top 3 that year and we finished top 2. You could only really argue that Oliver had a better year. Definitely not Bont, not as consistent as the other two.

What he did in other years is completely irrelevant.

Wines is a good player but I don't think I would put him in the same class as some other winners, like Lachie Neale, Nat Fyfe, Dustin Martin, Patrick Dangerfield, Gary Ablett, Chris Judd, Nathan Buckley, Adam Goodes, Jimmy Bartel, just to name a handful.

 

[Us against the rest]

This discussion always confuses me.

Nobody who watched his 2021 season could argue he didn't deserve to win the Brownlow, it felt like he was best on ground every week.

If the accusation is that he as a player and his career in general don't live up to other Brownlow medalists then cool ... but how exactly is that supposed to be a criticism? Oh among the likes of Dustin Martin, Patrick Dangerfield, Nat Fyfe, Gary Ablett, Chris Judd, etc, he's one of the worst. I mean, yeah, lol?

Agree as far as an individual year, Ollie was great the year he won it but as an over all career I think he was just a solid player.

 

[Wargreymon90]

Wines is a good player but I don't think I would put him in the same class as some other winners, like Lachie Neale, Nat Fyfe, Dustin Martin, Patrick Dangerfield, Gary Ablett, Chris Judd, Nathan Buckley, Adam Goodes, Jimmy Bartel, just to name a handful.

Yeah cool. I’d agree. Not relevant at all though. Especially considering many of those players weren’t even playing in 2021.

Who was better that year? Oliver is the only one your could reasonable argue was better.

 

[El_Scorcho]

The Brownlow isn't a "best player over several seasons" award. It's for the best midfielder of the year. Plenty of good not great players have won it. Tom Mitchell, Adam Cooney, Matt Priddis etc.

But Wines did it with 36 votes. He was brilliant that year, standing up in every game.

 

[Andre]

Where are our talls? We get a couple of injuries and we're playing a half-cooked Soldo as a key forward.

I like Berry and Moraes, they are good players but we keep drafting flanker after flanker.

Now we have our new structureless game plan and we don't have the hardness to play it.

Part of this is the cowardice and inability to admit any wrong choices by the current lot at the club. Flankers are safe picks, they don't win or lose games off their own boot often and unless McEntee level 'shouldn't be on a list', will generally look like the list team picked an at least serviceable player.

KPP's / rucks though, that's risky. You're going to get a lot of busts, in amongst the few good ones. Smart clubs understand this means you keep picking them, even if your list already has plenty, because not all are going to even reach serviceable level. Their list management teams have enough belief and knowledge to take the misses, as part of the journey to getting the drafting hits. Port though, sees the risk and grabs just enough to have some, but never enough to ride out the many busts you get with KPP's and rucks, to get enough quality ones.

Combine not drafting enough KPP's/rucks to begin with, with poor development and refusal to play them and here we are in KPP purgatory.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The Brownlow isn't a "best player over several seasons" award. It's for the best midfielder of the year. Plenty of good not great players have won it. Tom Mitchell, Adam Cooney, Matt Priddis etc.

But Wines did it with 36 votes. He was brilliant that year, standing up in every game.

Wines is also comfortably better than Priddis and Cooney across his career.

Some people listen to their Crowie mates too much.

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[Macca19]

The Brownlow isn't the Hall of Fame. Wines season was truly phenomenal. Better than Grays 14. Better than Tredreas 04. Better than Wanganeens 03. He was almost our best player in every game he played that year.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I said it a few years ago that we should have let Wines go and recruited Matt Crouch for a bag of chips, people laughed at me and look at what has happened now. Crouch wins the ball on the inside and delivers cleanly to the other mids, Wines constantly makes silly turnovers at crucial moments, usually the weak link in our plays through the middle

Crouch still ****ing sucks lol

 

[Andre]

The Brownlow isn't the Hall of Fame. Wines season was truly phenomenal. Better than Grays 14. Better than Tredreas 04. Better than Wanganeens 03. He was almost our best player in every game he played that year.

He deserved the Brownlow, but better than Tredrea 04 is a stretch. There's playing great games, then there's putting the teams on the shoulders and dragging everyone with you when needed. It's a hard to define thing, but anyone who watched Tredrea at his peak (inc. 2004) would say there are games where it was his presence as much as the touches that won us games. Ollie was great in his Brownlow year, but he wasn't a 'drag your side with you' player, that brought those around him into the game like Tredrea was.

 

[klem22]

Wines is a good player but I don't think I would put him in the same class as some other winners, like Lachie Neale, Nat Fyfe, Dustin Martin, Patrick Dangerfield, Gary Ablett, Chris Judd, Nathan Buckley, Adam Goodes, Jimmy Bartel, just to name a handful.

At best wines is an average player, our obsession with mediocrity is sickening.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

KPP's / rucks though, that's risky. You're going to get a lot of busts, in amongst the few good ones. Smart clubs understand this means you keep picking them, even if your list already has plenty, because not all are going to even reach serviceable level. Their list management teams have enough belief and knowledge to take the misses, as part of the journey to getting the drafting hits. Port though, sees the risk and grabs just enough to have some, but never enough to ride out the many busts you get with KPP's and rucks, to get enough quality ones.

Do they?

Brisbane - Oscar McInerney, drafted by Brisbane. Darcy Fort traded in.
Collingwood - Darcy Cameron traded in from Sydney
Geelong - Rhys Stanley traded in, Mark Blicavs drafted
Melbourne - Max Gawn, drafted.
Richmond - Toby Nankervis traded in.
Richmond - Toby Nankervis traded in.
West Coast - Nathan Vardy traded in. Scott Lycett drafted.
Richmond - Toby Nankervis traded in.
Western Bulldogs - Jordan Roughead drafted/Tom Boyd traded in.
Hawthorn - David Hale, traded in
Hawthorn - David Hale, traded in
Hawthorn - Max Bailey, drafted
Sydney - Shane Mumford, traded in
Geelong - Brad Ottens, traded in
Collingwood - Darren Jolly, traded in
Geelong - Brad Ottens, traded in, Mark Blake traded in
Hawthorn - Robbie Campbell and Brent Renouf, drafted
Geelong - Brad Ottens, traded in and Steven King drafted

There's a lot of traded in there.

 

[rignanv]

Turns 29 this year though. If we are to rebuild he's wasting the end of his career coming here.

I don't think we have to rebuild though. We've still got a gun midfield so I think with a new coach that changes the attitude around the place, a better game plan and some strengthening in areas around the ground we can improve pretty quickly.

 

[Interstater]

Team based on their tallest backman in their most recent named side:

Bulldogs - Liam Jones - 199cm, Rory Lobb - 207cm

Collingwood - Frampton - 201cm, Moore - 203cm

Essendon - Ben McKay - 202cm, Zach Reid - 202cm
Carlton - Jacob Weitering - 195cm, Lewis Young - 202cm
Gold Coast - Will Powell - 188cm, Mac Andrew - 202cm

Freo - Alex Pierce - 201cm, Draper - 197cm

Brisbane - Payne - 196cm, Andrews - 200cm
West Coast - Harry Edwards - 200cm, McGovern - 197cm

St Kilda - Callum Wilke - 191cm, Keeler - 198cm
Richmond - Jacob Blight - 196cm, Miller - 198cm
GWS - Sam Taylor - 198cm, Himmelberg - 195cm
Geelong - O'Sullivan - 198cm, Blicavs - 198cm

Port - Aliir AAliir - 194cm, Esava - 197cm
Melbourne - Petty - 197cm, McDonald - 195cm
Hawthorn - Barrass - 197cm, Weddle - 191cm

Sydney - Hamling - 194cm, Blakey - 196cm

Adelaide - Keane - 194cm, Worrell - 195cm
North - Corr - 195cm, Comben - 195cm

 

[TeeKray]

At best wines is an average player, our obsession with mediocrity is sickening.

Average players don't win Brownlows. Willem Drew is an average player. Wines is multiple levels above that.

 

[Addy23]

10 players that we could trade for:
Leek Aleer is 194cm from Centrals

Tackle The Headline: 10 AFL players on the fringes at their clubs… and why rivals could soon circle

On the outer… and on the market? 10 luckless AFL players your club could get cheaply

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Not just Leek in that list that I'd take, Busslinger, Hayes, Hustwaite, Robertson are people I'd consider too. Quite big on Alex Davies too

 

[Scodges]

Maybe he saw that with the current coach and admin he wasn't going anywhere, we see the failings in the last decade so I'm sure players that want to play in grand finals can too and know it won't happen at our club because of the way it is run ATM, their target is to make finals, a pass mark apparently.

Don’t talk shit, he ain’t winning nothing at the Bombers. He left to be close to family is all.


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[Ford Fairlane]

Do they?

Brisbane - Oscar McInerney, drafted by Brisbane. Darcy Fort traded in.
Collingwood - Darcy Cameron traded in from Sydney
Geelong - Rhys Stanley traded in, Mark Blicavs drafted
Melbourne - Max Gawn, drafted.
Richmond - Toby Nankervis traded in.
Richmond - Toby Nankervis traded in.
West Coast - Nathan Vardy traded in. Scott Lycett drafted.
Richmond - Toby Nankervis traded in.
Western Bulldogs - Jordan Roughead drafted/Tom Boyd traded in.
Hawthorn - David Hale, traded in
Hawthorn - David Hale, traded in
Hawthorn - Max Bailey, drafted
Sydney - Shane Mumford, traded in
Geelong - Brad Ottens, traded in
Collingwood - Darren Jolly, traded in
Geelong - Brad Ottens, traded in, Mark Blake traded in
Hawthorn - Robbie Campbell and Brent Renouf, drafted
Geelong - Brad Ottens, traded in and Steven King drafted

There's a lot of traded in there.

Throw in a few Academy gifts too, especially for the Qld and NSW clubs. Eric Hipwood, Harris Andrews and Jack Payne at Brisbane alone are standouts.

And father-sons like Darcy Moore at Collingwood.

 

[wayb2912]

Crouch still ****ing sucks lol

Not as much as Wines, he also wins the ball but doesn't do stupid team deflating turnovers

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[Us against the rest]

Don’t talk shit, he ain’t winning nothing at the Bombers. He left to be close to family is all.


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It's not so much about his destination but more about escaping from Port, Imo Victoria was his aim no matter what club.

If you think Port are going to win anything in the next few years your kidding yourself, we will be hard pressed to keep Butters and Bergman as it is.

Also just for the record I never said he was going to win anything but was more about why he left Port, obviously he couldn't see the future or the results he wanted under Ken And Koch.

 

[Long live PAFC]

So the suggestion is we should have gotten Crouch because he is better than wines over his career but is cheaper?

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

Well it was getting difficult to see Duursma's future at Port. Felt like he had almost reached his ceiling and it didn't help that he kept getting injured and when he did returned, he was poor and was clearly not 100% fit. He was probably the most consistent one out of him, Rozee and Butters during their first year together.

Having said that, Jase has already overtaken him and Moraes could very well overtake Duursma soon.

 

[Long live PAFC]

None of us will ever know the exact circumstances but it seemed the Duursma family went from in love with port to breaking up over about 6 months.

Xavier seemed to love footy, port and Hinkley, then had a crap year and was off. Don’t blame him or any player - have to do what’s right for you.

It did seem like we bulked him up to get him into the centre square and our game plan didn’t rely on wingers, then recurrent injuries and he seemed to lose his confidence and lost his way. I do wonder if we supported him from a mental health and mental resilience point of view well enough.

Anyway, hope he goes well (outside of playing Port).

 

[Scodges]

It's not so much about his destination but more about escaping from Port, Imo Victoria was his aim no matter what club.

If you think Port are going to win anything in the next few years your kidding yourself, we will be hard pressed to keep Butters and Bergman as it is.

Also just for the record I never said he was going to win anything but was more about why he left Port, obviously he couldn't see the future or the results he wanted under Ken And Koch.

And he chose Essendon, do you even read what you write ? He left us very much in a premiership window. The guy is really close to his family, which is fine… that is all. Clubs lose players every day, get over it.


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[Us against the rest]

And he chose Essendon, do you even read what you write ? He left us very much in a premiership window. The guy is really close to his family, which is fine… that is all. Clubs lose players every day, get over it.


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I don't really give a a shit, I just put the question out there, does anyone know why he left, if you bothered to read it, I was wondering if it had anything to do with Hinkley or the club itself.
As far as him ending up at Essendrug has **** all to do with it.