League Cup League Cup 2023/24 (Winners: Liverpool)

[Zidane98]

Of course we get screwed with the draw again, always get a big team away in the League Cup.

Will be a good game. Both sides will be rotating after long Europa group stage campaigns.


It's only the semi finals where teams play generally field first XIs.

 

[Zidane98]

I see Arteta decides to bring Saka/Martinello/Odergaard on when Arsenal were 3-0 down with 25 mins left.

I don't see the point in this. Unlikely to pull it back to 3-3 and risking injury to star forwards.

 

[RossFC]

That Kudus goal was brilliant. Great touch to put himself at the right angle for the shot.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Higher win % than Klopp though at the same stage don’t forget, he’s doing a great job.

Won a trophy in his first season. Two cup finals.
The problems at United are far above the manager position. As shown by Moyes, LVG, Jose, Ole and now ETH.

I think the carry on over Ten Haag's ability is a little disingenuous to the really critical issues at Old Trafford

 

[hawkman]

Did Mason Mount play?

He attended the game

 

[chef]

Did Mason Mount play?

He must be wishing his dad was a Pool diehard and not a United one.

 

[Sozabarus]

Won a trophy in his first season. Two cup finals.
The problems at United are far above the manager position. As shown by Moyes, LVG, Jose, Ole and now ETH.

I think the carry on over Ten Haag's ability is a little disingenuous to the really critical issues at Old Trafford

As shown by other average or past their best managers?

Of course the problems run deeper than the manager but that doesn’t mean he should get a free ride. He has no personality, no motivation skills, his man management looks appalling and it’s becoming clear he has either no tactical nous or the courage of his convictions to stick to his philosophy.

I’m not saying sack him because honestly I don’t know where they go to next, but it’s definitely fair to say Ten Hag is not an elite manager.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

As shown by other average or past their best managers?

Of course the problems run deeper than the manager but that doesn’t mean he should get a free ride. He has no personality, no motivation skills, his man management looks appalling and it’s becoming clear he has either no tactical nous or the courage of his convictions to stick to his philosophy.

I’m not saying sack him because honestly I don’t know where they go to next, but it’s definitely fair to say Ten Hag is not an elite manager.

All that is perfectly fair and reasonable. He does seem to be a step below elite managers, and when watching Utd they lack a clear style.

But if using Klopp to have a pop at ETH then it is only fair to mention that both reached two finals in their first season in England. Klopp lost both, ETH won the League cup.

Klopp's first trophy at Liverpool was approaching 200 games in. ETH is currently at 77 and has 1 trophy.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Art stop talking sense, more United are shit and ETH is shit please.

 

[Zidane98]

He must be wishing his dad was a Pool diehard and not a United one.

We would have gone for Szoboszlai regardless. Just better all round in every way and on 120k / week too unlike Mount who wanted double that plus more.

Mount only had HG going for him. The only other serious interest was from Bayern at 40m odd who promptly backed out.

Whoever negotiated Mount's transfer & contract needs to be sacked at Utd.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

We would have gone for Szoboszlai regardless. Just better all round in every way and on 120k / week too unlike Mount who wanted double that plus more.

Mount only had HG going for him. The only other serious interest was from Bayern at 40m odd who promptly backed out.

Whoever negotiated Mount's transfer & contract needs to be sacked at Utd.

Szoboszlai is better than Mount but I think Mount would be doing really well if he was at Liverpool, there’s a good player there, but he walked into a shower of shit at Old Trafford so no wonder he looks like it.

 

[chef]

Szoboszlai is better than Mount but I think Mount would be doing really well if he was at Liverpool, there’s a good player there, but he walked into a shower of s**t at Old Trafford so no wonder he looks like it.

Yep, Klopp would get the best out of Mount and use him correctly.

 

[hawkman]

Yep, Klopp would get the best out of Mount and use him correctly.

He isn't a miracle worker

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

He isn't a miracle worker

He’s pretty good, he did rebuild Liverpools entire midfield in a few months to challenge again.

 

[hawkman]

He’s pretty good, he did rebuild Liverpools entire midfield in a few months to challenge again.

They bought good players something Mount hasn't been for a couple of years

 

[jod23]

Did Mason Mount play?

He did play.... horribly.

 

[jod23]

Won a trophy in his first season. Two cup finals.
The problems at United are far above the manager position. As shown by Moyes, LVG, Jose, Ole and now ETH.

I think the carry on over Ten Haag's ability is a little disingenuous to the really critical issues at Old Trafford

You say that but even with everything going on at United, I cant see a Klopp or a Pep going there and not vastly improving the fortunes of United. There are levels IMO and ETH just isnt up to it.

 

[jod23]

All that is perfectly fair and reasonable. He does seem to be a step below elite managers, and when watching Utd they lack a clear style.

But if using Klopp to have a pop at ETH then it is only fair to mention that both reached two finals in their first season in England. Klopp lost both, ETH won the League cup.

Klopp's first trophy at Liverpool was approaching 200 games in. ETH is currently at 77 and has 1 trophy.

And that's all well and good but context is needed, United run to the League Cup final went through Aston Villa at Old Trafford, then Burnley at Old Trafford, then Charlton at you guessed it, Old Trafford, then they beat Nottingham Forest over two legs in the semi before Newcastle in the final.

That's pretty easy.

Klopp faced Manchester City in the League Cup final, big difference. Then Sevilla who own the Europa League in the final.

But it's more than that, you could see almost from the first game that we had a style, a clear plan, a way forward. Then all it took was time and getting the right players in to maximise the system. Very, very early on you could tell we were onto something with Klopp.

But 77 games in with ETH, even with a trophy in the cabinet, it just looks all lost at sea. United are a mess. A far cry from where Liverpool were at 77 games under Klopp.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Yawn Jod

 

[Bradesmaen]

Yawn Jod

Didn't you know, Klopp = greatest manager in history. Had to do the hard yards to win his 1 premier league title in 8 years.

 

[chef]

Sounds like Nkunku will get 20 minutes. Finally.

 

[jod23]

West Ham tomorrow. Hope we actually take it seriously, although I hear all the time from the squad that they want to go after everything so hopefully we put out a strong side and continue on. West Ham playing well though, will be tough.

 

[moomba]

Caicedo should have been off there.

 

[moomba]

Defensive disaster class by Chelsea on that goal.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Defensive disaster class by Chelsea on that goal.

At least it wasn't Disasi...