Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)

[CatToTheFuture]

Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.

What if Cerra turns into a bust?

 

[apuchar]

There is literally no evidence of this. It's just hyperbole and is completely based on word vomit from Sam Edmund.

Yes we may be interested in 19, but that also doesn't change the fact that you guys got both 19 and 22 in on the proviso that it was for your own list management decisions, and not just to satisfy us in a trade for Clark.

That's actually from your staff, rather than from Edmund - who can barely tie his shoes in the morning.

If true, fine. My first impression was that you were going to try and negotiate for 19 instead of accepting 22. That's fine as long as you then accept 22 if you don't meet our requirements for a pick 19 swap. Assuming you had said 22 would get the deal done in the first place. The media rarely say negative things about Vic clubs and they have no love for Freo, so I don't know why the would say you agreed to 22.

 

[year of the cat]

It's the same as the Cameron trade last year. If the buying club has it, the selling club is going to want it.

Which we duly handed over.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Eh, pretty sure this is just Geelong waiting to see if they can wriggle anything else out on top of 22 by Friday. They have nothing to lose just waiting, it'll get done

 

[apuchar]

There’s been no confirmation of that. You had 19 before 22 so it doesn’t even make sense from a chronological point of view. We asked for 19 when you’d received it with the Brodie trade. And then you embarked on a further trade later on. Furthermore at the outset we initially said that it would take a late first round pick to get a deal done.

When we got the puck is irrelevant. We probably asked if 22 was enough, you say yes and we get on with all our business, not just your trade. We weren't gonna hang around and miss out on the Brodie deal.

 

[apuchar]

Eh, pretty sure this is just Geelong waiting to see if they can wriggle anything else out on top of 22 by Friday. They have nothing to lose just waiting, it'll get done

Bell said he was happy for other pick swaps, so they may be working through that.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Bell said he was happy for other pick swaps, so they may be working through that.

I really hope not

 

[geelong_crazy26]

They're going to go all out war over a 3 selection difference? I don't think so

I think that goes both ways?

 

[apuchar]

I really hope not

I thought 22 was ample, but he did say he was prepared to do it.

 

[BigCat1]

When we got the puck is irrelevant. We probably asked if 22 was enough, you say yes and we get on with all our business, not just your trade. We weren't gonna hang around and miss out on the Brodie deal.

If you believe that Freo asked Geelong if pick #24 was enough and they said yes then reneged after you did the deal then you probably believe in pink unicorns as well.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Its more than a 3 selection difference in reality though.

Maybe, I mean you can auction of a bit better but no guarantees a Dev Robertson slides

 

[apuchar]

If you believe that Freo asked Geelong if pick #24 was enough and they said yes then reneged after you did the deal then you probably believe in pink unicorns as well.

Ralph just said 19 or 22 + Carlton 3rd. Don't care about the rest

 

[STPer18]

If you believe that Freo asked Geelong if pick #24 was enough and they said yes then reneged after you did the deal then you probably believe in pink unicorns as well.

It's as if three-way trades aren't a thing according to some of our Fremantle experts.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I really hope not

It's a possibility. With limited views of this draft it's likely that a Dev Robertson slides to that pick, but on the other side of the same coin will anyone even know? And if they're not sure, how much do they stump up? If your choices are 19 or 22+41 then I don't think that's super different in value

 

[BigCat1]

Sounds like a Wells has revealed his cards

Pick 19 (21) or 22 (24) + Carl’s future 3rd rounder.

If it’s not that John Ralph said it is very simple. He’ll stay a cat. Either way I don’t think we care one bit.

Over to you “feathers”

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Ralph just said 19 or 22 + Carlton 3rd. Don't care about the rest

Seems then the problem would be list spots. That's how we'd know that there really wasn't some kind of agreement reneged on, because we couldn't even use Carltons 3rd so we wouldn't have agreed to it in the first place

 

[apuchar]

19 is first pick in the second round so it is more valuable. Do 22 and future third. We throw future picks away for less.

 

[STPer18]

Sounds like a Wells has revealed his cards

Pick 19 (21) or 22 (24) + Carl’s 3rd rounder.

If it’s not that John Ralph said it is very simple. He’ll stay a cat. Either way I don’t think we care one bit.

Over to you “feathers”

 

[BigCat1]

Seems then the problem would be list spots. That's how we'd know that there really wasn't some kind of agreement reneged on, because we couldn't even use Carltons 3rd so we wouldn't have agreed to it in the first place

It’s a future 3rd

 

[poshman]

There seem to be a lot of people from both sides in the 'hope we walk away' camp. That is where I sit. I can't see the value in a guy who could barely get a game in the last 2 seasons. Bloody hope we walk away and unlike the Hogan disaster we don't turn back.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It’s a future 3rd

Ah ok. Well those are both fine then. Who cares

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Seems then the problem would be list spots. That's how we'd know that there really wasn't some kind of agreement reneged on, because we couldn't even use Carltons 3rd so we wouldn't have agreed to it in the first place

Its carltons future 3rd which they own from the cerra trade so doesnt affect our list spots.
The issue is we would like to move a pick from this year into next for example ideally probably wanted to swap 34 for freos F2 (but they no longer have it) as it saves us a list spot but i suppose we could do that deal with a 3rd club.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Its carltons future 3rd which they own from the cerra trade so doesnt affect our list spots.
The issue is we would like to move a pick from this year into next for example ideally probably wanted to swap 34 for freos F2 (but they no longer have it) as it saves us a list spot but i suppose we could do that deal with a 3rd club.

Yeah it's still one in one out on the trade in front of us so that's our problem to solve I guess.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

Thought I'd chuck the Clark trade into the HPN Trade Calculator to see what they reckon a fair trade would look like. Comes out something like this:


Obviously with Clark contracted you'd need something in Geelong's favour, but 19 or 22 + F3 is just absurd.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Or... Freo have tabled pick 22 because they and Clark and his management were told that's what would get the trade done. In the meantime, we've gone about our business and aquired pick 19 and Wells has shifted the goal posts requesting that pick, all while Clark has himself started moving his stuff back to Perth and put his car on a train back to WA.

The deadline gets closer, Clark and his management publicly come out speaking out against Geelong and they either accept 22 or keep a disgruntled player on their list another 12 months, who Scarlett ruined and has also walked from the club.

Good work

If they said pick 22 will get it done i am sure it will, if they didnt then they probably will ask for 19 as its a slightly better pick.

will have to see which way it goes, not alot mentioned except geelong has clearly asked for pick 19 on the AFL website earlier, all i am going off.

Geelong will be very happy to have him return as pick 19-21 after the bids etc is not a very good pick anyway.

you could potentially get him for a third rounder next year so its probably best to wait it out if they see the 3 pick difference as substantial

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Thought I'd chuck the Clark trade into the HPN Trade Calculator to see what they reckon a fair trade would look like. Comes out something like this:
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Obviously with Clark contracted you'd need something in Geelong's favour, but 19 or 22 + F3 is just absurd.

What are the units this calculator uses? Similar to the ones that rated Mason Cox elite this year from champion data?