How much is Rowell worth with no draft?

[Pomsta]

Wolves have signed a kid in the Premier League who is only 18 years old but has scored goals in the lower age groups for his country and played (and scored) for Porto in the Portugese league so has played well against men. Has an absolute ton of potential which you have to pay for. Wolves paid 40m euro.

The question is: If there was no draft and Rowell was to go to the club who offered him the most money under the salary cap, how much would you be willing to pay for a player with no senior games and no goals?

 

[Altum Volantes]

If Rowell somehow got granted some kind of magic free agency I would say someone out there would probably pay him $900k-$1m a season right now.

The hype alone + marketing potential would be worth it.

...but alas Richmond/Hawthorn/Collingwood will have to wait a couple of years before throwing crazy money at him.

 

[RudyBlue]

See Tom Boyd deal.

Interesting side thread: how much would the best players be paid if there was no salary cap?

 

[La Dispute]

You can pretty reliably pick the cashed up clubs at any given time, by looking at clubs circling topline OOC players.

Carlton, St Kilda, North etc would offer minimum 700k, which would blow out to 1 mil to land Rowell IMO.

See Tom Boyd deal.

Interesting side thread: how much would the best players be paid if there was no salary cap?

Hard to guess the outgoings because we'd have no idea of the scale of spending, but like The Premier League there would be some serious outlier contracts.

Carlton would pay Cripps millions, Freo would pay Fyfe millions - Josh Kelly or Bont might be the highest paid players in the league.

Who knows?

 

[kozi]

The North offer alone would break modern records.

 

[HairyO]

I hope we would wait for 15 or 20 games before making even a modest offer.

 

[PhatBoy]

I hope we would wait for 15 or 20 games before making even a modest offer.

this.

if there’s one thing I hate more than anything else in sport, it is hype.
He made a good, strong, but relatively unremarkable debut.

he came back into a compromised competition, where teams had a lot more to worry about than scouting a rookie who is playing in a team full of kids with potential.

now those three games that followed - don’t get me wrong, as a first year player there is literally nothing more he could have done to impress.

but it is a month of footy.
I’d be disgusted if my team offloaded other players and threw the house at anyone based on that much footy.

 

[JG22]

The recent warning would be Jacob Hopper, had over 30 in his first game and you thought he would be remarkable. Good player but hasn't reached the heights you had to believe after that incredible debut.

In saying that, you have to take risks, at least 1 million

 

[Happy Mastenator]

this.

if there’s one thing I hate more than anything else in sport, it is hype.
He made a good, strong, but relatively unremarkable debut.

he came back into a compromised competition, where teams had a lot more to worry about than scouting a rookie who is playing in a team full of kids with potential.

now those three games that followed - don’t get me wrong, as a first year player there is literally nothing more he could have done to impress.

but it is a month of footy.
I’d be disgusted if my team offloaded other players and threw the house at anyone based on that much footy.

If you mean unremarkable in the sense he got voted best on ground by the coaches in 3 of his 4 completed games and is a good chance to have 9 Brownlow votes from those games, then yes, unremarkable

 

[HairyO]

If you mean unremarkable in the sense he got voted best on ground by the coaches in 3 of his 4 completed games and is a good chance to have 9 Brownlow votes from those games, then yes, unremarkable

It was a bizarre start to the season. And his game against Port was the only game where GCS had an opponent.

 

[PhatBoy]

If you mean unremarkable in the sense he got voted best on ground by the coaches in 3 of his 4 completed games and is a good chance to have 9 Brownlow votes from those games, then yes, unremarkable

I’m sorry was his debut match actually four matches?

As said, his debut was certainly decent but unremarkable before he turned it on in his next three games.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I’m sorry was his debut match actually four matches?

As said, his debut was certainly decent but unremarkable before he turned it on in his next three games.

Fair call. Re-read your post and realised the reference was to the first game and you praised the subsequent games.

 

[Belnakor]

See Tom Boyd deal.

Interesting side thread: how much would the best players be paid if there was no salary cap?

I don't think it would be THAT much more. WCE clear around $5m a year profit at the top end, so assume they pay their top guys another 500k each and overall list quality for another 2-3 top line players would make a huge difference. They wouldn't need to pay a player $3-4M a year because the market wouldn't be that competitive, since a significant amount of clubs barely pay their salary cap.

 

[RudyBlue]

I don't think it would be THAT much more. WCE clear around $5m a year profit at the top end, so assume they pay their top guys another 500k each and overall list quality for another 2-3 top line players would make a huge difference. They wouldn't need to pay a player $3-4M a year because the market wouldn't be that competitive, since a significant amount of clubs barely pay their salary cap.

What about corporate involvement?

 

[Sherrinator]

The North offer alone would break modern records.

Haha and he’d still go to Richmond

 

[earlsta]

Nevermind the draft, he’s probably be one of the most sought after assistant coaches in the league right now.

 

[juss]

There's no chance I'd be throwing a million a season at a 19 year old 5 gamer. That's not smart cap management based on the output. You're paying out already on hope he becomes Chris Judd, long way to go.

 

[Syd Swan]

I think most of the answers have been based on what he has done to date.

I read the questions as if he has not played senior AFL yet how much would you offer.

To me based on that I would say around $300000.00 per year for maybe 3 years. Then if he proves his worth maybe review the contract midway through year 2.

It would probably be something like what Sydney did with Tom Mitchell.

 

[HairyO]

I think most of the answers have been based on what he has done to date.

I read the questions as if he has not played senior AFL yet how much would you offer.

To me based on that I would say around $300000.00 per year for maybe 3 years. Then if he proves his worth maybe review the contract midway through year 2.

It would probably be something like what Sydney did with Tom Mitchell.

Mitchell was offered big money then the next contract was a big pay cut. So I dont think its comparable.

No sensible club would pay him big now. They would wait and see. GCS love to extend early with their draftees. Has he had an offer?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

If Rowell doesn’t win the Rising based on what he has done compared to the rest of the field it will be a travesty. He sits on 30 coach’s votes and no other eligible player has approached what he has done despite him playing just 4 full games, three of which he completely dominated.

I am not sure what Rowell would be worth if there were no restrictions, but it would definitely be more than any player his age in the AFL era.

Last year we saw four really good candidates for the Rising Star, Bailey Smith, Rozee, Walsh and Stack, any of whom could have won the award in most seasons.

This year we have Rowell who would win it in every year since its inception and no other candidate with a strong enough season to win it in just about any other year. Serong seems to be a short priced favourite and while he looks a really nice player, he has put together a season that would equate to about the average of the 4th inside mid in most teams. Rowell in his 4 full games put himself on the level of the best mid in each team. Amazing performance.

 

[Rockstar6]

If Rowell doesn’t win the Rising based on what he has done compared to the rest of the field it will be a travesty. He sits on 30 coach’s votes and no other eligible player has approached what he has done despite him playing just 4 full games, three of which he completely dominated.

I am not sure what Rowell would be worth if there were no restrictions, but it would definitely be more than any player his age in the AFL era.

Last year we saw four really good candidates for the Rising Star, Bailey Smith, Rozee, Walsh and Stack, any of whom could have won the award in most seasons.

This year we have Rowell who would win it in every year since its inception and no other candidate with a strong enough season to win it in just about any other year. Serong seems to be a short priced favourite and while he looks a really nice player, he has put together a season that would equate to about the average of the 4th inside mid in most teams. Rowell in his 4 full games put himself on the level of the best mid in each team. Amazing performance.

Yeah nah. It would be a travesty if anyone won an individual award whether it be a rising star award, B&F or anything you can name after 4 games even if they were 3 exceptionally good ones.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Yeah nah. It would be a travesty if anyone won an individual award whether it be a rising star award, B&F or anything you can name after 4 games even if they were 3 exceptionally good ones.

Nonsense. If you establish yourself as the best performed player in the field in one game 10 games or 4 games you are still the best. I don’t think any other Rising candidate has a BOG performance at all, between about 75 of them. Rowell is one man out and he has 3.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Have no idea about Rowell's stats - but watching him play - I wouldn't trade him for pick 1. I'd be wanting the first 3 picks and then i'd probably still say no

He's the best credentialed draft pick I can remember since Selwood/Judd.

Perhaps O'meara as well.

 

[PhatBoy]

Nonsense. If you establish yourself as the best performed player in the field in one game 10 games or 4 games you are still the best. I don’t think any other Rising candidate has a BOG performance at all, between about 75 of them. Rowell is one man out and he has 3.

Ok so hypothetically say a cricketer plays a debut series at the start of a calendar year for Australia and hits 2 centuries and a 50 in his 2nd, 3rd and 4th tests, gets hurt and doesn't play for the rest of the year. Finishes with an average of 80 or something. Another kid debuts for England, plays 15 tests for the year, hits, say, 3 centuries, 5 50s, and scores 1200 runs for the calendar year, averages 55 over a big sample size.

Who do you give the award to

 

[HairyO]

Ok so hypothetically say a cricketer plays a debut series at the start of a calendar year for Australia and hits 2 centuries and a 50 in his 2nd, 3rd and 4th tests, gets hurt and doesn't play for the rest of the year. Finishes with an average of 80 or something. Another kid debuts for England, plays 15 tests for the year, hits, say, 3 centuries, 5 50s, and scores 1200 runs for the calendar year, averages 55 over a big sample size.

Who do you give the award to

Exactly. Imagine if awards were handed out for the best performance just against one team who were terrible. Or 3 maybe.

We simply have no idea how good a player he will be against actual opponents. Next year we will find out. And he may win next year.