How bad is Essendon? Jeeeeeez

[Stevi_Tigers]

Oh i dunno, looked in ripping nick in 2012...

They looked more juicy than a pro wrestler with a needle in his arse

 

[Yoda_]

I've heard this about many aspects of Essendon's current plight, which is probably why it's hard to pinpoint what exactly Essendon need to do to get better.

Other examples include:

- Dylan Shiel is the least of their problems
- McGrath over Taranto is the least of their problems
- Jake Stringer is the least of their problems
- Daniher's likely departure is the least of the problems
- Captain Heppell is the least of their problems
- Darcy Parish is the least of their problems
- Aaron Francis is the least of their problems
- Adrian Dodoro is the least of their problems

Undoubtably Smith isn't a major problem, but he's symptomatic of bigger problems at the club - namely how many smaller players they've recruited who haven't progressed beyond being B-graders.

As I’ve continually stated in various threads which so many seem to avoid addressing, ask Essendon supporters what our beef with the club is rather than trying to attack our success or the least of our worries (most of which are just that, the least of our worries)


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[agro]

Had our 1st and 2nd rnd picks removed which cost us getting Botempli in the draft
Were barred from playing finals after qualifying
Copped the biggest fine ever in the history of the game

Yeah but the AFL looked after us

You were rewarded with pick one for the year your player penalties finally kicked in.

 

[Yoda_]

This is so spot on,

Its the constant ability to overrate their own. If everything was chugging along so well, why haven't they won a final in 5,847 days ?

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[Yoda_]

You were rewarded with pick one for the year your player penalties finally kicked in.

LIts kinda funny we almost didn’t finish last despite having the amount of played we did out for the year.

AfFL would have been kicking there lips at the thought of us finishing 17th


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[Yoda_]

Was a light penalty for a club-wide systematic doping regime implemented by the senior coach.

It’s sad the masses never understood the inner details of the drugs saga. 7 clubs were apparently doing it.

We were too stupid to self report in hope of getting off or a lesser penalty


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[La Dispute]

As I’ve continually stated in various threads which so many seem to avoid addressing, ask Essendon supporters what our beef with the club is rather than trying to attack our success or the least of our worries (most of which are just that, the least of our worries)


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I don’t think Essendon supporters can separate how these issues are inter-related.

McGrath is a perfect example of this. Great player, good young leader but literally the last type of player Essendon needed when they took him at number one.

For a few years he develops on a half back flank, and this year he finally gets his chance in the midfield which consequentially results in other players output dropping, or not getting their chance until later in the season. It’s like shuffling the deck chairs in the Titanic.

The Dylan Shiel trade wasn’t going to solve any of their issues either. It’s like Dodoro thought ‘good player, best available’ but didn’t envisage how adding another small mid was going to push out other guys who should be developing there like Parish or McGrath. There’s nothing strategic about their list management at all - it’s all throwing darts and hoping somehow one will eventually lift them into contention. In reality it’s a cyclical papering over the cracks.

 

[Moody Blue]

Essendon played the way everyone feels in Victoria. Just over it. Over the AFL and this hub rubbish...

 

[Red Black and Blue]

So you've made finals? Spare me.

2010 - 14th
2011- 8th
2012 - 11th
2013 - 9th (ASADA) really should have been 7th
2014 - 7th
2015 - 15th
2016 - 18th
2017 - 7th
2018 - 11th
2019 - 8th
2020 - 11th

Looks like a case of your club overachieving and trying mini-rebuilds without ever actually going for a full bottoming out. Players like Shiel, Stringer, Smith are not players you build a club around.

Sure, but not winning a final for 16 years is worse than finishing bottom 2 for a few. The AFL needs to sort out their draft compensation to stop teams having to tank to be able to move upwards.

 

[Yoda_]

I don’t think Essendon supporters can separate how these issues are inter-related.

McGrath is a perfect example of this. Great player, good young leader but literally the last type of player Essendon needed when they took him at number one.

For a few years he develops on a half back flank, and this year he finally gets his chance in the midfield which consequentially results in other players output dropping, or not getting their chance until later in the season. It’s like shuffling the deck chairs in the Titanic.

The Dylan Shiel trade wasn’t going to solve any of their issues either. It’s like Dodoro thought ‘good player, best available’ but didn’t envisage how adding another small mid was going to push out other guys who should be developing there like Parish or McGrath. There’s nothing strategic about their list management at all - it’s all throwing darts and hoping somehow one will eventually lift them into contention. In reality it’s a cyclical papering over the cracks.

You e attempted to use two examples of issues that are not even problematic with Adrian.

I am so ready to give up


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[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

It’s sad the masses never understood the inner details of the drugs saga. 7 clubs were apparently doing it.

Funny how people forget this.

Remember when we beat Carlton? they were so pissed off that they sent spies to see what Essendon were up and when ASADA asked Carlton for the supposed "tape" as evidence they couldn't give it lols

My arse Carlton were trying to bust Essendon,Carlton wanted to know what gear Essendon were on for them selves

 

[Moody Blue]

Sure, but not winning a final for 16 years is worse than finishing bottom 2 for a few. The AFL needs to sort out their draft compensation to stop teams having to tank to be able to move upwards.

Hasn't exactly worked for Carlton. Into year 8 of a 3 year rebuild. Essendon has not done any better with the draft. Geelong scored the jackpot when they rorted the father son rule. Hawthorn picked up some gold thanks to Richmond and others passing on selections which they snapped up. They just kept topping up. It has finally gone pear shaped for them, but it took 15 years. Sydney were never allowed to tank until they screwed the AFL with Buddy, then Gillon went after them big time. All bar W/Coast's 2018 flag were tainted with allegations of drug use.

 

[BF Tiger]

It’s sad the masses never understood the inner details of the drugs saga. 7 clubs were apparently doing it.

We were too stupid to self report in hope of getting off or a lesser penalty


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You'd have evidence of that... or is it just "someone in the know" told you?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Hasn't exactly worked for Carlton. Into year 8 of a 3 year rebuild. Essendon has not done any better with the draft. Geelong scored the jackpot when they rorted the father son rule. Hawthorn picked up some gold thanks to Richmond and others passing on selections which they snapped up. They just kept topping up. It has finally gone pear shaped for them, but it took 15 years. Sydney were never allowed to tank until they screwed the AFL with Buddy, then Gillon went after them big time. All bar W/Coast's 2018 flag were tainted with allegations of drug use.

You guys and Melbourne are the poster children for losing culture being bad, yet no one talks about how West Coast, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Richmond have won flags off the back of it. It doesn’t guarantee success but you need Tom Hawkins, Gary Ablett, Dangerfield luck otherwise.

 

[Sector 7G]

Funny how people forget this.

Remember when we beat Carlton? they were so pissed off that they sent spies to see what Essendon were up and when ASADA asked Carlton for the supposed "tape" as evidence they couldn't give it lols

My arse Carlton were trying to bust Essendon,Carlton wanted to know what gear Essendon were on for them selves

And when Carlton found out that it was super dodgy they passed on it. How did Essendon go the second time they played Carlton once the drugs had worn off?

 

[Sector 7G]

Had our 1st and 2nd rnd picks removed which cost us getting Botempli in the draft
Were barred from playing finals after qualifying
Copped the biggest fine ever in the history of the game

Yeah but the AFL looked after us

How did it cost Essendon the Bont when he was taken at 4 and you finished 9th?

 

[Moody Blue]

You guys and Melbourne are the poster children for losing culture being bad, yet no one talks about how West Coast, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Richmond have won flags off the back of it. It doesn’t guarantee success but you need Tom Hawkins, Gary Ablett, Dangerfield luck otherwise.

No doubt in my mind that when Balme returned to Richmond things fell into place. Geez who would begrudge them after all of the crap they endured for 30 years. Balme had to put up with Malthouse's crap for so many years. Carlton's biggest mistake was sacking Ratten. He was developing something, but they panicked and hired that shit Malthouse who split the club and eveyone played for themselves. Don't be surprised if you see Lyon coaching the Blues next year...
Hawkins, Abblett X 2, Scarlett, all father son...

 

[Philth]

Not really sure its only we need a couple of players. To me its a colllective thing. There is no team work, there is no willingness to compete if it doesn't go their way. Its mental imo.

Well then that's a good thing. It can be fixed.
Look at Richmond 2016 vs 2017.
Complete change in approach, mentally, from coach and leaders and look where we are.
Your list is pretty good.
And to those saying getting Shiel was a mistake is laughable. He's a gun. Can't have too many.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

How did it cost Essendon the Bont when he was taken at 4 and you finished 9th?

Talk was it was going to be our first rounder and Crameri for Doggies first. Instead of a second.

 

[EasternTiger]

Essendon get off to a decent start and then capitulate in the second half of the season.

We've been watching them do this for well over a decade now. It happens year after year.

One particular season they started 8-1 and somehow still managed to miss finals.

Failure is now a part of their DNA. When the going gets tough they stop working.

Their supporters enable this by allowing them to use the 'injury' excuse. They also grossly overate their list, which means they are eternally optimistic about the preseason and their teams potential, and expect their hugely talented squad to make up for it the following year.

It's a vicious cycle of pre-season delusion, late season disappointment, and then the inevitable onset of irrational optimism.

 

[WN123]

Geelong has already played 3 games in 9 days (def Nth by 33, StK by 59 and Port by 60) ... so I'm not sure that was much of a factor.

Followed by a 9 day break. Then one game then another 9 day break before playing a team that had played 7 games in 31 days. That’s six consecutive 5 day breaks then arriving at the ground an hour before the game after three and a half hours on a bus. Dont want to gloss over our cracks but it’s no surprise that they were flat.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Matthew Lloyd slams bombers
Does Lloyd go out of his way to criticise Essendon or he is just genuinely pi$$ed at how they are travelling?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Matthew Lloyd slams bombers
Does Lloyd go out of his way to criticise Essendon or he is just genuinely pi$$ed at how they are travelling?

No he's genuinely pissed.

What he's saying is basically how Essendon fans feel he's had enough of the mediocrity.

 

[ApplecrossWC]

You guys should lay off the bombers. They have provided some fantastic memories.

 

[Amazing Racer]

It is the same rubbish each year. I was originally going to point all the blame to the coaching (Rutten isn't the answer) but the players laughing at the huddle did it for me. Can't put up with that garbage.

The same garbage each year expecting a different result.