Opinion Has this Carlton list already peaked?

Has this Carlton list already peaked?

  • Yes

    Votes: 244 78.0%
  • No

    Votes: 69 22.0%

  • Total voters
    313

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I’m not going to do the obnoxious move of quoting my own posts in this thread and save the Carlton supporters who tried to retort the embarrassment, but this current situation was predictable.

From the lack of modern thinking on the game plan and year after year of the same issues under Voss (rebound and spread), to the lack of balance in the list, to the craziness of the picks move for Jagga Smith, not contending this year, the midfield issues once/if Cripps is past his peak, down to the detail of the regret over the Kennedy trade. It was all there to be seen if you were looking at it with a cool head.

Now the really interesting and very difficult call is what to do with TDK. Some points to Grundy as a watch out, but I think TDK is closer to Gawn in terms of structural importance than he was to Grundy back when he signed his contract. An 10-11m contract is a tough pill to swalllow for the club if they’re not sure they can contend early, plus when a team is on the back foot the player managers go for the jugular on the negotiations because the trade off for success isn’t there anymore. If TDK is still keen on staying I probably would sign him if the return would ‘only’ be something like 2 x first rounders because he’s that good, but if someone like St Kilda offers even more it becomes a harder call to make. If he goes you may as well see who else would move to help rebuild the list (eg McKay to a team in need of a KPF even if it won’t be his peak value, even down to Cripps if he’s had enough and would go back to WA for his twilight years, all options on the table).

So in answer to the original question, yes, in its current iteration, the list is past its peak, and there isn’t a clear pathway to rebuilding it on the run to extend its window so it might be time for a proper reset.
 

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You 'hope'.

What about the uber talented Carlton list, who want for nothing after building and rebuilding for more than two decades?

Remember, this is what that thread is about.
As I've said before, think the Blues will be just fine. Many key indicators are looking good, we're just butchering the ball going inside 50 ATM and not converting when we do get shots on goal.

Defensively we're in good shape and the midfield has been performing well thus far.

Either way much better set up for the future than the Pies.
 
As I've said before, think the Blues will be just fine. Many key indicators are looking good, we're just butchering the ball going inside 50 ATM and not converting when we do get shots on goal.

Defensively we're in good shape and the midfield has been performing well thus far.

Either way much better set up for the future than the Pies.
Ah yes... 'the future'.
 

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Yes, that thing the Pies mortgaged last trade period when they doubled down on an already incredibly old list.
Perryman is not even 12 months older than TDK and Cerra

Houston is younger than Charlie Curnow.

We brought in quality 26-27 players who have plenty of football in the tank.

You actually need to ensure we have quality senior leaders when the likes of Pendles, Sidey and Howe retire.
 
Perryman is not even 12 months older than TDK and Cerra

Houston is younger than Charlie Curnow.

We brought in quality 26-27 players who have plenty of football in the tank.

You actually need to ensure we have quality senior leaders when the likes of Pendles, Sidey and Howe retire.
Who are ur kids outside of Nicky again? The cupboard is bare
 
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From the lack of modern thinking on the game plan and year after year of the same issues under Voss (rebound and spread), to the lack of balance in the list, to the craziness of the picks move for Jagga Smith, not contending this year, the midfield issues once/if Cripps is past his peak, down to the detail of the regret over the Kennedy trade. It was all there to be seen if you were looking at it with a cool head.

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Can someone expand on the bolded for me please? Why was it crazy to give away a pick in the mid teens and 2nd and 3rd round to get pick 3? Granted I'm not a list manager but would have thought it was a bold and somewhat inspired move.
 
Perryman is not even 12 months older than TDK and Cerra

Houston is younger than Charlie Curnow.

We brought in quality 26-27 players who have plenty of football in the tank.

You actually need to ensure we have quality senior leaders when the likes of Pendles, Sidey and Howe retire.
Shhhh.

You know it's all about having a young list with potential ahead of proven, experienced performers who actually consistently get the job done....
 
Can someone expand on the bolded for me please? Why was it crazy to give away a pick in the mid teens and 2nd and 3rd round to get pick 3? Granted I'm not a list manager but would have thought it was a bold and somewhat inspired move.
It was a great move, if they're not interested in immediately improving their list at a time when their top 6 players - a top 6 whom Carlton are more reliant on than any other team in the competition are reliant on their top 6 - are in the absolute prime of their careers.
 
It was a great move, if they're not interested in immediately improving their list at a time when their top 6 players - a top 6 whom Carlton are more reliant on than any other team in the competition are reliant on their top 6 - are in the absolute prime of their careers.
Once again, statements with 0 evidence to support them.

By what measures do Carlton rely on their top 6 more than anyone else in the comp?
 
Interesting move from Voss to bring in three kids for a game against an arch rival that's expected to pull over 80k.

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Reckon someone's finally had a not so subtle word to him, it ain't working mate change it up and play some kids. Couldn't go much worse lol

Cooper Lord getting dropped in the first place was mind boggling, was far from our worst. Moir looks like he has some tricks from the admittedly very small sample size, could thrive in that big crowd environment.

Even if he doesn't tonight, gotta start getting some games into these guys and see if we can unearth some actual league standard players, agree with the selections - well, except for Boyd getting dropped, another utterly mind boggling decision. One of the best kicks at the club and can actually play in defense, nah why would we need that :drunk:
 
Reckon someone's finally had a not so subtle word to him, it ain't working mate change it up and play some kids. Couldn't go much worse lol

Cooper Lord getting dropped in the first place was mind boggling, was far from our worst. Moir looks like he has some tricks from the admittedly very small sample size, could thrive in that big crowd environment.

Even if he doesn't tonight, gotta start getting some games into these guys, agree with the selections - well, except for Boyd getting dropped, another utterly mind boggling decision. One of the best kicks at the club and can actually play in defense, nah why would we need that :drunk:
Lord should have been playing anyway.
 
It was a great move, if they're not interested in immediately improving their list at a time when their top 6 players - a top 6 whom Carlton are more reliant on than any other team in the competition are reliant on their top 6 - are in the absolute prime of their careers.

There is zero wrong with being top heavy. Richmond won 3 flags with a team made up mainly of role players. The game plan was beautiful and even our stars were selfless and played "team first" 100% of the time.

For mine, it's Carlton's game plan that's the biggest problem and not the list.
 
There is zero wrong with being top heavy. Richmond won 3 flags with a team made up mainly of role players. The game plan was beautiful and even our stars were selfless and played "team first" 100% of the time.

For mine, it's Carlton's game plan that's the biggest problem and not the list.
List could certainly do with some tinkering at this stgae
 

Opinion Has this Carlton list already peaked?


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