GWS are going to win the premiership

[Ichabod Noodle]

A state league size contingent?

What kind of crowds does the Sanfl get these days?

Well according to the SANFL site last weekend Adelaide (fielding 21 listed players) beat South in front of 9,029 people to book a spot n the prelim while Woodville West Torrens beat Sturt in front of (maybe the same) 9,029 people to book a spot in the Grand Final.

Crowds earlier in the fluctuated between 1 and about 3.5 thousand with a couple of outliers up around the 5/6 k

 

[Blue1980]

As apposed to those permanently creating these threads every 2 mins. Trolling in the main board.

Defensive nah just enjoy the melts down south. Give us something to do while we have a bye.

Whose expecting 5 flags?

How's this a troll?

It's a legitimate question. Obviously it could end up being zero or 10

 

[JoondalupJ]

I know I'm jumping the gun a bit, but after seeing GWS absolutely demolish the Swans - the best team in the comp - I think they are flag favourites, personally. This is just one game, but forget lack of finals experience, they are the real deal, and they seem there to also just have fun, from now on they've got nothing to lose. The Swans were actually trying their heart out, the pressure was intense, but the Giants just busted it right open.

Geelong didn't play their best, and even though Hawthorn played one of their best games all year, they couldn't beat them, even if it went right to the line. The Crows thrashed North, but that says nothing, nobody seriously thought the Roos were a chance. The winner of the Swans vs Crows match will be pretty battered, and I expect Geelong will probably beat them in the Prelim. If GWS play the way they did today, I expect them to absolutely smash the winner of Hawks vs Dogs. I haven't seen such aggressive, attacking, exciting football in a final for awhile. As we know the Swans still like to play defensive football creating a lot of stoppages, but the Giants' style of play just busted that wide open. GWS will do what Hawthorn did but much better, finding space and run behind the defensive line, with more speed, getting it in very quick on the rebound.

Sportsbet has them as slightly behind Geelong to win the flag, but I expect a Geelong vs GWS final, which actually could be quite interesting. The Cat's fans reaction to Stevie J should be worth it alone. Many the fears about the juggernaut the AFL has created are justified...

Yes GWS or as they should be known now the AFL Giants, may well win the flag , after what they did to Sydney, although Sydney hate ANZ Stadium and they looked bamboozled to me, but if GWS do win the flag it'll be courtesy of the AFL and their rampaging to grow a league of 18 "unfittable" clubs, too fast to much advantage given at the expense of the competition itself , which is no longer an even level playing field it is in fact a joke. We have two divisions.

GWS doing great but why manufacture something so strong that it is right up there and hasn't paid its dues , to footy , its just been bought.

Sorry again no offense to the Giant team, personally , or the coaches , but it and GC17 were bad deals for the whole AFL and the clubs!

Now if your an Eagle and you scored a play off in 1991 then 2 flags after that and another playoff and flag, thats fine , you are a football state.

And the players that took you to your success' had paid their dues to your WAFL and to the Vic clubs they played for, GWS is just a manufactured monster! So I hope to Christ they don't win the Flag!!!

 

[Blue1980]

Yes GWS or as they should be known now the AFL Giants, may well win the flag , after what they did to Sydney, although Sydney hate ANZ Stadium and they looked bamboozled to me, but if GWS do win the flag it'll be courtesy of the AFL and their rampaging to grow a league of 18 "unfittable" clubs, too fast to much advantage given at the expense of the competition itself , which is no longer an even level playing field it is in fact a joke. We have two divisions.

GWS doing great but why manufacture something so strong that it is right up there and hasn't paid its dues , to footy , its just been bought.

Sorry again no offense to the Giant team, personally , or the coaches , but it and GC17 were bad deals for the whole AFL and the clubs!

Now if your an Eagle and you scored a play off in 1991 then 2 flags after that and another playoff and flag, thats fine , you are a football state.

And the players that took you to your success' had paid their dues to your WAFL and to the Vic clubs they played for, GWS is just a manufactured monster! So I hope to Christ they don't win the Flag!!!

It's been said before Gold Coast got the same advantages and stuffed up, at least so far.

GWS may of had a leg up but still have had to do the right things.

The only way they stuff up now is if they rest on the laurels and believe all this dynasty talk will just happen without effort.

 

[Gigantor]

So the Suns are about to lose their 2nd best player - to the team on the verge of winning a record four consecutive premierships.

But dogs, dees and saints supporters are only worried about a club which has played one finals game in its history.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Sorry again no offense to the Giant team,

And yet everything you ever post about my club is offensive. Don't think a little throw-away like this lets you off the hook

 

[aCunningPlan]

How's this a troll?

It's a legitimate question. Obviously it could end up being zero or 10

What a nothing comment.

 

[Simmofreo]

To be fair, the crowd of 60,000 didn't phase GWS on Saturday. Someone trundled out a statistic that GWS were something like 0-5 when the attendance was over a certain number.

*GWS players look at crowd surrounding them*
'Crowd too big!'
*Players flop like wet socks*

That myth was always going to get busted sooner or later.

And to be fair as well I would love to know the actual stats of what the GWS numbers were in the crowd last Saturday.

I was in the GWS section and it looked fantastic. I'm tipping over 15k probably all in a big section. When a goal was kicked the noise and atmosphere was great.

 

[Simmofreo]

Fair enough, but I disagree on the 'plenty of orange' point. That crowd was about 40,000 Swans and 20,000 Giants (the Giants' entire supporter base).

I think less than 20k but as a giants member this is a fantastic number.

Remember the biggest home crowd this year at spotless (excluding Derby) was 15k with a large number of hawthorn supporters.

So 20k in orange in the one stadium is a GIANT step in the right direction sorry

 

[Simmofreo]

To me it looked like a state-league-sized contingent. They filled a bay either side of the cheer squad, but that's about it. When GWS scored a goal, the cheer was pathetically quiet, considering this was their historic glorious hard-fought-for finals victory.

Absolute rubbish. You clearly were not there. I have videos on my phone that show what you are saying is absolute crap

 

[Simmofreo]

So the Suns are about to lose their 2nd best player - to the team on the verge of winning a record four consecutive premierships.

But dogs, dees and saints supporters are only worried about a club which has played one finals game in its history.

Yes I agree

I mentioned this is the Freo board

Everyone is worried about the expansion clubs but everytime Hawks lose a player another Star requests to go there.

Brad Hill wants to leave but JOM wants to come in.

Hawthorn are the biggest destination club by far and will never go down the ladder in my opinion. Especially with free agency. That is a threat to equality.

Just ask fre supporters who for many years have been 1 key forward away from a flag and no one has wanted to go west no matter how much money is put in front of them. And then players take pay cuts to go to hawthorn.

The whole Expansion club thing takes the attention away from that IMO

 

[Rotayjay]

Absolute rubbish. You clearly were not there. I have videos on my phone that show what you are saying is absolute crap

When the Crows score a goal at the MCG, of course it's loud within the Crows cheer squad area. When people are yelling passionately right next to you, of course it's loud to you. What I was talking about was the wider context of the stadium - you could hardly hear boo after a Giants goal, and I turned up the TV quite loud because I know Channel 7 love to turn down the crowd noise. Swans goals were pretty loud.

Good for you - I know you all must have had a fun time. But that little supporter base is really, really spoiled when it comes to advantages. One thread title puts it nicely - GWS is basically the All-Stars from several national drafts.

 

[Lsta062]

GWS can definitely win the Premiership from here on.

But, I see their biggest threat actually being the two EF teams in Bulldogs and Adelaide.

1. Both can match their fast ball movement.

2. Adelaide can match them offensively and Bulldogs have the midfield to stop them from getting repeat inside-50 entries and the defence to reduce their scoring power (even at Spotless Stadium IMO).

Not saying the others can't (Sydney and Geelong can play well at the MCG) but I say that in terms of gameplay Bulldogs and Adelaide can trouble them the most.

 

[Bokonon]

When the Crows score a goal at the MCG, of course it's loud within the Crows cheer squad area. When people are yelling passionately right next to you, of course it's loud to you. What I was talking about was the wider context of the stadium - you could hardly hear boo after a Giants goal, and I turned up the TV quite loud because I know Channel 7 love to turn down the crowd noise. Swans goals were pretty loud.

Good for you - I know you all must have had a fun time. But that little supporter base is really, really spoiled when it comes to advantages. One thread title puts it nicely - GWS is basically the All-Stars from several national drafts.

Your jealousy nourishes me. Dont ever stop.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Granted I wasn't there, but there seemed to be fair amount of them from the tv coverage, which I'll admit I was surprised about.

watching the replay, the swans red and giants orange basically blended, on the field and in the crowd both.

at the ground, it was easily swans - giants 4-1 in the stands ..... and 1-4 around the ball.

 

[MarcusP2]

Well according to the SANFL site last weekend Adelaide (fielding 21 listed players) beat South in front of 9,029 people to book a spot n the prelim while Woodville West Torrens beat Sturt in front of (maybe the same) 9,029 people to book a spot in the Grand Final.

Crowds earlier in the fluctuated between 1 and about 3.5 thousand with a couple of outliers up around the 5/6 k

It was the same, double header game at AO.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

It was the same, double header game at AO.

Ahhh, that would explain it. I know we've been accused of dodgying crowd figures but that did seem to be a bit too coincidental. I took the figures from different match report pages. Didn't realise it was a double header, wasn't looking for that, just the crowd.

Still, 9,029 for not one but two important finals (4 teams), makes an even bigger mockery of the post that I was responding to saying that our 20,000 at ANZ was a State League contingent.

 

[DrEvil_]

GWS can definitely win the Premiership from here on.

But, I see their biggest threat actually being the two EF teams in Bulldogs and Adelaide.

1. Both can match their fast ball movement.

2. Adelaide can match them offensively and Bulldogs have the midfield to stop them from getting repeat inside-50 entries and the defence to reduce their scoring power (even at Spotless Stadium IMO).

Not saying the others can't (Sydney and Geelong can play well at the MCG) but I say that in terms of gameplay Bulldogs and Adelaide can trouble them the most.

Bulldogs forward line a worry against GWS, Adelaide have been comprehensively schooled by Geelong twice already.

 

[Lsta062]

Bulldogs forward line a worry against GWS, Adelaide have been comprehensively schooled by Geelong twice already.

Definitely a worry. It did surprisingly well against West Coast though, so if they can reproduce that kind of potency then they could do alright.

I doubt Adelaide will get past Geelong in the PF. If they were to face GWS in the GF though, I do think their potent forward line could trouble them. I am starting to have my doubts about them against GWS though. My issue is their midfield. I don't think GWS will allow Adelaide a lot of freedom in their offensive 50 in a Grand Final, meaning that they may have to rely on repeat inside 50 entries. Because I think GWS probably has their midfield covered, don't think they'll be allowed to have enough entries to win them the game.

Hmm...

 

[coniglio_number1]

Any team that can match us for speed could easily beat us. Also a hard contested game can beat us just like the pies did.

We also lost to Melbourne so I don't get the fear mongering

 

[mcgarnacle]

Any team that can match us for speed could easily beat us. Also a hard contested game can beat us just like the pies did.

We also lost to Melbourne so I don't get the fear mongering

i've noticed some decent teams struggle against mid-to-less competitive teams. this season we've seen geelong, hawthorn, sydney & gws all drop games which in the week at the time you'd think they'd win.

with strategy playing a big part of the outcome of matches, i wouldn't be surprised if coaching staffs of the top teams drop their guard a bit for these games and concentrate on identifying weaknesses of the teams they're likely to face at the business end of the season. Sure, teams need to win games to get to the finals, but the serious analysis really is really continually done on the top teams. Clarkson and Hawthorn have made this an art form over the last 3 premiership years after being shown up by the swans in 2012. rarely do they win the minor premiership, but they come up with the effective game plan when it counts to win the big games.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

They were not playing senior VFA.

They were a club formed from grassroots over a decade prior to their entry into the VFL competing in an alternate competition. That better?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Not at all. Read my posts and reread your own.

Mine are amusement at the cowardace garbage shown by you and your fellows. The tin hat brigade.

Your posts are thinking this is a new doomsday and anyone who doesnt believe are crazy. Kind of like the millenium bug nut jobs back in the day.

The emotional ones are you and your ilk.

Care to respond to any of the actual topics raised in my post - for example the location of teams in those other comps you talked about?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

No it doesnt.

You were going in about whete we are successwise on field.

I said i didnt realise we should of asked you lot about how quick oir success ahould be.

You are an emotional vfl individual. Who has forgotten how every expansion club has started (besides freo).

No point discussing this any further with you.

Anyone disagrees with you and we are blind and emotional. Well sorry champ that is yourself.
Our club is 5. Your club was a failure long before we got here.

Every expansion club? Brisbane weren't granted the concessions GC/GWS got. WCE weren't. Adelaide weren't. Freo weren't. Port weren't. Exactly which expansion club got anywhere near the concessions you guys and to a lesser extent GC got? WCE and Adelaide had the pick of state players that either hadn't been recruited by Vic clubs or didn't want to go there. Giants supporters keep bringing up WCE as an example but the situations are nothing alike.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Australian rules football is more than just the organisation that deems itself 'AFL'. Australian football is about the supporters who have paid their memberships all through the hopeless years for their team. It's about the tradition of clubs that have existed for 150 years. It's a quintessential part of Australian culture in in Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia, Tasmania and Northern Territory.

Someone please tell me what benefit it gives to the Australian rules football community to create clubs in areas that have not supported the game of their own volition, and manipulate the competition to give the new clubs advantage?