Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[cats_09]

Here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

Cheers to Lore for their hard work in setting this up, and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft - and please practice patience grasshoppers if it's not updated in the immediate aftermath of completed trade





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Draft and Trade Period Key Dates​

Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
Nov 1 to Nov 8: Delisted free agency period
Nov 20-21: Telstra AFL Draft
Nov 22: Telstra Pre-Season Draft and Rookie Draft

 

[iameviljez]

The decision changes, rather then using dreg picks, it would have pulled it from their first rounder the next year. Their vulnerability might have encourage some one to try and poach him rather then let him slide.

Possibly, but regardless, it really doesn't do much for Richmond. Arguably, they would prefer that the best youngsters go to a team at the top of the premiership cycle, rather than a more direct competitor on the arse end of the ladder.

 

[iameviljez]

I quite like the idea, for academies at least, that when a club bids on a player the bidding club still gets the player. The club that developed the kid just get the pick immediately after. Every bid is then legitimate. Every reward for developing the player appropriate.

Don't know what to do for father sons though.

I really don't want to throw yet more picks into the draft, it just screws over the team who holds the next pick.

 

[Heckler]

Honestly, I think our defensive play inside our forward half has generally been excellent since 2022 (notable exception of Stengle's chasing in the PF).

F50 intercept marking was an issue in 2024
Co-incidentally Rohan missed most of 2024
You join the dots.

 

[catswhiskers]

A better bidding system would be that the club who owns the academy rights to the player should have to announce before the draft the highest equivalent pick they would be willing to use on the player. Then that player is fair game to every club who has a pick before that number.

EG. This year before the draft Brisbane announce that they are willing to pay the equivalent of pick 3 to secure Ashcroft. Then richmond have the option to actually select Ashcroft at pick 1, and north have the option to select him at pick 2. If neither of these things happen, Brisbane have to honour their bid and pay the equivalent points to pick 3 in the draft.

That way Brisbane still have the first option of securing their player, but they actually have to put some skin in the game and make a realistic bid on his worth. Otherwise he is fair game to any club that values the player higher.

Very interesting idea. The club developing the kid would have the best idea of his ability. Hence, best able to predict draft position.

Must be some snag with it, though.

Far too simple for the AFL !

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I really don't want to throw yet more picks into the draft, it just screws over the team who holds the next pick.

Yeah but i think this would be worth it

 

[CatToTheFuture]

A better bidding system would be that the club who owns the academy rights to the player should have to announce before the draft the highest equivalent pick they would be willing to use on the player. Then that player is fair game to every club who has a pick before that number.

EG. This year before the draft Brisbane announce that they are willing to pay the equivalent of pick 3 to secure Ashcroft. Then richmond have the option to actually select Ashcroft at pick 1, and north have the option to select him at pick 2. If neither of these things happen, Brisbane have to honour their bid and pay the equivalent points to pick 3 in the draft.

That way Brisbane still have the first option of securing their player, but they actually have to put some skin in the game and make a realistic bid on his worth. Otherwise he is fair game to any club that values the player higher.

That's actually really good

 

[iameviljez]

F50 intercept marking was an issue in 2024

I strongly disagree with this. We consistently rated above average for inside-50 conversion and inside-50 marking, we consistently put up a contest even when out of position. I can't find a specific stat for i50 intercept marks against, but I don't think we'd be particularly poor.

 

[Heckler]

Could see Danger playing forward being a huge game changer for us. The problem is we have to win the ball out of the middle somehow.

Guthrie back from injury helps mid rotation.
F50 intercept are not an issue every week
It is a big issue against Demons and Lions
There are games when it needs attention
High pressure games with rushed kicks
Ideally a Stewart type that reads the ball
Rather than leading, hoping for a good pass
Polkinghorne may be solution in a few years

 

[Heckler]

I strongly disagree with this. We consistently rated above average for inside-50 conversion and inside-50 marking, we consistently put up a contest even when out of position. I can't find a specific stat for i50 intercept marks against, but I don't think we'd be particularly poor.

Stats can disguise general problems :-
Multi situations all with same outcome
Demons have strong intercept defenders
Teams will plan to double team Neale
High pressure games with rushed kicks
Long high bombs into the F50 hot spot

 

[And_ROOS]

Guthrie back from injury helps mid rotation.
F50 intercept are not an issue every week
It is a big issue against Demons and Lions
There are games when it needs attention
High pressure games with rushed kicks
Ideally a Stewart type that reads the ball
Rather than leading, hoping for a good pass
Polkinghorne may be solution in a few years

Cannot rely on CGuthrie considering he has now basically spent 2 years injured. I would much prefer we give Stewart another midfield preseason and play him there (that was where his best form for us this year was), see continued midfield development from Bowes, Bruhn and Holmes, and hope that we get immediate output from Smith and a bolter who does a Humphries/Dempsey for us but in midfield (i.e we see serious progress from Clark/Knevitt/Mullin etc)

 

[iameviljez]

Stats can disguise general problems :-
Multi situations all with same outcome
Demons have strong intercept defenders
Teams will plan to double team Neale
High pressure games with rushed kicks
Long high bombs into the F50 hot spot

Sure, but I have a strong suspicion that your assertion that we give up a lot of forward-50 intercept marks is based more so on confirmation bias than anything concrete.

We are still pretty competitive in the air, and generally tend to use the ball extremely well going forward. Miers is the poster boy for this, but our old chip-chip-chip-BOMB problem that we had before 2022 is largely gone.

 

[Gunf]

A better bidding system would be that the club who owns the academy rights to the player should have to announce before the draft the highest equivalent pick they would be willing to use on the player. Then that player is fair game to every club who has a pick before that number.

EG. This year before the draft Brisbane announce that they are willing to pay the equivalent of pick 3 to secure Ashcroft. Then richmond have the option to actually select Ashcroft at pick 1, and north have the option to select him at pick 2. If neither of these things happen, Brisbane have to honour their bid and pay the equivalent points to pick 3 in the draft.

That way Brisbane still have the first option of securing their player, but they actually have to put some skin in the game and make a realistic bid on his worth. Otherwise he is fair game to any club that values the player higher.

Hmm i actually really like this

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Cannot rely on CGuthrie considering he has now basically spent 2 years injured. I would much prefer we give Stewart another midfield preseason and play him there (that was where his best form for us this year was), see continued midfield development from Bowes, Bruhn and Holmes, and hope that we get immediate output from Smith and a bolter who does a Humphries/Dempsey for us but in midfield (i.e we see serious progress from Clark/Knevitt/Mullin etc)

Maybe a hot take but I like the idea of Mullin in the midfield

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Cannot rely on CGuthrie considering he has now basically spent 2 years injured. I would much prefer we give Stewart another midfield preseason and play him there (that was where his best form for us this year was), see continued midfield development from Bowes, Bruhn and Holmes, and hope that we get immediate output from Smith and a bolter who does a Humphries/Dempsey for us but in midfield (i.e we see serious progress from Clark/Knevitt/Mullin etc)

Can't see Bowes being a permanent midfielder. Will probably play Duncan's role of HB. Bruhns showed glimpses but needs consistency. Clark has a chance. We probably need to trade in a midfield superstar like a LDU.