Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Commando]

You can say that about anyone, you can't say the things you can say about Tyson's ability about most other players

Yeah but he's come from a long way back and hasn't made as much out of the game as others at this stage of their careers
Also has his premiership so I feel his only real motivation is financial security and I see other clubs paying more for him.

He's a gravy type player, we need meat and potatoes!

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Not as many games experience though

Thats true but a lot of those games arent best 22-tuohy rohan bews stanley are not b22.
Its only hawkins-who is irreplaceable due to how hard elite kpfs are to get. And to a lesser extent duncan that will be hard to replace.

The bigger issue is because the age profile of the list will become a lot younger we will be exposed for depth experience if we get a lot of injuries. If we lose parfitt as expected then we do need a couple of 26yo depth free agents for the experience.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yeah but he's come from a long way back and hasn't made as much out of the game as others at this stage of their careers
Also has his premiership so I feel his only real motivation is financial security and I see other clubs paying more for him.

He's a gravy type player, we need meat and potatoes!

He is the only consistent forward we have

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Yeah, true, but our priority needs to be midfielders and midfielders cost the dollars. We'd have to offer as much as we can and if he says no I can't blame him

I agree, that's what I'm getting at.

It's almost like they're approaching Stengle like he's in the 'nice to have' category while the real $$$ and time is being put into others (likely Smith and/or Oliver)

As you say, when you look at our list, it probably does line up that way.

The extra pick and extra cap space Stengle would net us would unlock the ability to bring in more than one mid, and maybe that's how the club sees it?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Pretty sure Stengle is a Free Agent so if he leaves, we get nothing for him.

Incorrect.
Hes ufa so we cant match but we get band 1 2 or 3 compo depending on the size of his deal at new club.
Ie if its a band 1 deal and we finish 8th we get pick 12, band 2 we get p19 (before compo picks) etc.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We won’t get any compensation because Stengle will still classify as a delisted free agent.

Incorrect. Because hes previously delisted he has UFA for life so we can never match but compo picks still apply.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I agree, that's what I'm getting at.

It's almost like they're approaching Stengle like he's in the 'nice to have' category while the real $$$ and time is being put into others (likely Smith and/or Oliver)

As you say, when you look at our list, it probably does line up that way.

The extra pick and extra cap space Stengle would net us would unlock the ability to bring in more than one mid, and maybe that's how the club sees it?

If he gets a godfather I couldn't begrudge him.

 

[And_ROOS]

Yeah but he's come from a long way back and hasn't made as much out of the game as others at this stage of their careers
Also has his premiership so I feel his only real motivation is financial security and I see other clubs paying more for him.

He's a gravy type player, we need meat and potatoes!

At the moment the way our forward line is playing he is currently the entree, main and dessert.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

At the moment the way our forward line is playing he is currently the entree, main and dessert.

You're not wrong, but look at it from the clubs perspective and this universe we're projecting here for a sec.

If Stengle's departure opens up the possibility of bringing in 2 elite mids (or 1 elite, and one very good mid), then you can see why they're considering it.

That forward line of ours could suddenly look just as dangerous (if not more so) even without Stengle if we're winning the midfield battle most weeks.

Miers, Close, Mannagh, & Cameron with Dempsey, Henry, & Neale with another pre-season under their belts is still plenty of firepower...and in this scenario with two elite mids coming into the side, they wouldn't be starving for supply either.

I'm not locked into either scenario, as I adore Tyson and would love him to retire a Cat...but there's more than one way to look at this.

We wouldn't just be letting him go for the sake of it when we have the cash to keep him, there would be a reason behind it.

 

[Lana]

You're not wrong, but look at it from the clubs perspective and this universe we're projecting here for a sec.

If Stengle's departure opens up the possibility of bringing in 2 elite mids (or 1 elite, and one very good mid), then you can see why they're considering it.

That forward line of ours could suddenly look just as dangerous (if not more so) even without Stengle if we're winning the midfield battle most weeks.

Miers, Close, Mannagh, & Cameron with Dempsey, Henry, & Neale with another pre-season under their belts is still plenty of firepower...and in this scenario with two elite mids coming into the side, they wouldn't be starving for supply either.

I'm not locked into either scenario, as I adore Tyson and would love him to retire a Cat...but there's more than one way to look at this.

We wouldn't just be letting him go for the sake of it when we have the cash to keep him, there would be a reason behind it.

I see the logic but I see them as separate movements

We should have zero issue clearing cap space if needed, we have both our current and future first rounder. Stengle is unlikely to get an inside 1st rounder at free agency.

Wouldn't surprise me if number of years is the thing holding back the signature.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I see the logic but I see them as separate movements

We should have zero issue clearing cap space if needed, we have both our current and future first rounder. Stengle is unlikely to get an inside 1st rounder at free agency.

Wouldn't surprise me if number of years is the thing holding back the signature.

I get your point, but the rumour is he's getting offers of 850k+ and we're not willing to go there.

To me, that says we want the cap room for the extra mid or two we're targeting, and the extra pick wouldn't hurt in that scenario either to add as collateral.

We've got more than enough money to sign Tyson on his own...but does the club believe we have enough if we've already got handshake agreements with opposition targets? I'm not sure.

We would've likely budgeted for him being signed on 500-600k-ish, and the retirements of Hawkins, Rohan, Stanley, Bews, & Touhy would've gone into that too.

The drag out is due to the club debating signing Stengle vs Smith and/or Oliver/other mystery mid IMO.

 

[dazbroncos]

Ah ok, I'm wrong then. Thought he left for free for some reason and we get nothing.

I was with you - I thought we got nothing.

So if he goes for big $$ ( his choice ) and its does become Band 1 ( id rather keep him) but at least there is something to offset his loss.

GO Catters

 

[allrighty]

You're not wrong, but look at it from the clubs perspective and this universe we're projecting here for a sec.

If Stengle's departure opens up the possibility of bringing in 2 elite mids (or 1 elite, and one very good mid), then you can see why they're considering it.

That forward line of ours could suddenly look just as dangerous (if not more so) even without Stengle if we're winning the midfield battle most weeks.

Miers, Close, Mannagh, & Cameron with Dempsey, Henry, & Neale with another pre-season under their belts is still plenty of firepower...and in this scenario with two elite mids coming into the side, they wouldn't be starving for supply either.

I'm not locked into either scenario, as I adore Tyson and would love him to retire a Cat...but there's more than one way to look at this.

We wouldn't just be letting him go for the sake of it when we have the cash to keep him, there would be a reason behind it.

let's swap him for TDK

 

[kcattatac]

We won’t get any compensation because Stengle will still classify as a delisted free agent.

We won’t get any compensation because Stengle will still classify as a delisted free agent.

No such thing. He's either a restricted fa, a unrestricted fa or delisted which he won't be. He's definitely a unrestricted fa so we'll get compensated if he leaves

 

[bulletproof]

We have lost 5 of our last 6, looking at the ladder, I would say 12th is possible in terms of our lowest finishing position (we could also be top 4 under an optimistic scenario).

Stengle will be getting offers of 900k plus.

He should be tier 1, so between 7 and 15 I would say.

Under any scenario, preference is for him to stay. But ever since Gary Junior left, I don’t lose too much sleep over losing any single player (ok I was worried about Holmes).

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I see the logic but I see them as separate movements

We should have zero issue clearing cap space if needed, we have both our current and future first rounder. Stengle is unlikely to get an inside 1st rounder at free agency.

Wouldn't surprise me if number of years is the thing holding back the signature.

I agree on that but why do you think we wont get a r1.
He wont want to leave unless another club offers him over 750 in which case we are getting likely band 1 or band 2 at worst.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

let's swap him for TDK

Tdk is a free agent next year.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I agree on that but why do you think we wont get a r1.
He wont want to leave unless another club offers him over 750 in which case we are getting likely band 1 or band 2 at worst.

I would say it's band 2 at both best and worst. 850kish would have been the threshold under the old cap but cap has been going up and bigger contracts are getting signed. Be surprised if the threshold isn't well north of 900

 

[allrighty]

Tdk is a free agent next year.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Interesting conversation at work yesterday.
Did we underestimate Scott's views on Esava?
Are we better or worse with SDK in the side over Ratugolea?
SDK is OOC end of 2025.
Big call coming up on what his worth is.
Taking away his 2022 season.
Anyone would be hard pressed to provide an argument that he's a future star.
As his 2024 season has been quite frankly below average... at times just woeful.
Then add that to a subpar 2023, albeit injury may have played a bigger part some may think.
We are going to be in an awkward spot.
Questions will crop up. ( I bet Sam Manure, Snitch Cleary & Tommy BrowneNose are reading this lol )
I wonder. Have we plans on making a BIG play for his brother?? OOC FA in after 2025 season?
But after investing (3 x 2nd rounders) picks into Conway Edwards and even Neale to our rucking division.
Do they see adding a Free Agent Ruckman on BIG dollars in our future.
Hope this gets the response we had in the meal room at work last night.
Many varied opinions. Boisterous, even a little heated at times lol.
Cheers Boys!!

 

[sexyhunk]

Interesting conversation at work yesterday.
Did we underestimate Scott's views on Esava?
Are we better or worse with SDK in the side over Ratugolea?
SDK is OOC end of 2025.
Big call coming up on what his worth is.
Taking away his 2022 season.
Anyone would be hard pressed to provide an argument that he's a future star.
As his 2024 season has been quite frankly below average... at times just woeful.
Then add that to a subpar 2023, albeit injury may have played a bigger part some may think.
We are going to be in an awkward spot.
Questions will crop up. ( I bet Sam Manure, Snitch Cleary & Tommy BrowneNose are reading this lol )
I wonder. Have we plans on making a BIG play for his brother?? OOC FA in after 2025 season?
But after investing (3 x 2nd rounders) picks into Conway Edwards and even Neale to our rucking division.
Do they see adding a Free Agent Ruckman on BIG dollars in our future.
Hope this gets the response we had in the meal room at work last night.
Many varied opinions. Boisterous, even a little heated at times lol.
Cheers Boys!!

cant disagree with any of that but it seem everything start from the middle, if your midfield is getting smashed every game, balls are coming in quicker and quicker which make any defense look crap. stewart has looked average at times, jack henry has also. improve the midfield, balls dont come in as often, defense can set up better is what i think.

 

[Commando]

SDK has not been right since the facial injury

 

[dangerwood]

Let me preface this by saying Stengle is one of my favourite players

But does anyone think his output could diminish once he's on a long term, highly paid deal?
At the moment he's climbing the ranks like a hungry fighter, once he gets his pay day will he be comfortable with his lot..? Wouldn't be the first player to do so..

It's a risk but he has such talent and class, we can't let players like that walk out the door. He doesn't come across like an ego flog that will be happy with himself just turning up. They way he plays doesn't suggest that.

I always support our philosophy of not paying overs. I rate him very highly though so I wouldn't be trying to pay him unders or hoping to get a cheap deal with him. I'd hope we'd be close enough to other offers that it makes sense just to stay in Geelong.

 

[dangerwood]

I get your point, but the rumour is he's getting offers of 850k+ and we're not willing to go there.

To me, that says we want the cap room for the extra mid or two we're targeting, and the extra pick wouldn't hurt in that scenario either to add as collateral.

We've got more than enough money to sign Tyson on his own...but does the club believe we have enough if we've already got handshake agreements with opposition targets? I'm not sure.

We would've likely budgeted for him being signed on 500-600k-ish, and the retirements of Hawkins, Rohan, Stanley, Bews, & Touhy would've gone into that too.

The drag out is due to the club debating signing Stengle vs Smith and/or Oliver/other mystery mid IMO.

It's hard to project what is an appropriate wage is under the new agreement. I wouldn't be far off offering $800k? I don't think....I don't think that's unreasonable for him. I think anything under 700 is unders.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

SDK has not been right since the facial injury

Agreed. To a point.
Or did i/we/all of us rank/grade him a lot higher than he really should've been...??
He played 5th/6th fiddle in a great back line and a great side to be fair.
Did that midfield group help his stock? Maybe.
Or as a 1v1 defender he hasn't improved enough to match our projected trajectory we had set him.
Not sure.
Jury is debating it as we speak.