First club to 17 premierships?

[CharlieMortdecai]

By that logic, this years premiership will mean nothing in 50 years, and by extension no premierships matter at all.

Ok then.

Yes, this is life. In that moment that flag means everything. But that moment can never be recaptured. You can watch the replay of course, but that is not reliving the moment. If you were at the game, it is clearly nothing like it, but even if you watched it on TV the first time, the replay is different. The outcome is known, nothing will change. There is no tension, anxiety, yearning that existed the first time.
But perhaps it's too much to say that it will mean nothing in 50 years. It just has a different meaning. But it is a fundamentally different meaning, memory is not the same as experience. It is tempting to say it is lesser, but perhaps that is unfair. It is simply existentially different. The past, as they say, is a foreign country.
This really applies to everything in life, whether it be your first sexual experience or the birth of your child. It's why, IMO, you should to the greatest extent possible enjoy the moment you are living in right now.

 

[Taper]

Should be Carlton but it remains to be seen whether or not this is a North 2014/2015 type false dawn.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Should be Carlton but it remains to be seen whether or not this is a North 2014/2015 type false dawn.

They have the toughest task in footy this week, so either way will know where they are at.

 

[NetworkNerd]

I think it's back to even between Essendon/Carlton/Collingwood

Collingwood are favourites to even the ledger but can they get to 17 with before some of their older players retire
Carlton should bounce back and make the GF I na year or two
Essendon are looking to be aggressive adding at least Goldstein, Gresham and Ben McKay

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[CharlieMortdecai]

I think it's back to even between Essendon/Carlton/Collingwood

Collingwood are favourites to even the ledger but can they get to 17 with before some of their older players retire
Carlton should bounce back and make the GF I na year or two
Essendon are looking to be aggressive adding at least Goldstein, Gresham and Ben McKay

I think that's a very generous assessment of Essendon. I'd have Collingwood slightly ahead of Carlton at the moment, much more so if they win on Saturday. I reckon Bombers quite a way behind those two.
In an ideal world of course, Essendon go another 7000 days without winning a final, Brisbane win on Saturday reinforcing the mental fragility of the Colliwobbles, and Carlton lose a prelim again next year before sliding down the ladder.

 

[Taper]

I think it's back to even between Essendon/Carlton/Collingwood

Collingwood are favourites to even the ledger but can they get to 17 with before some of their older players retire
Carlton should bounce back and make the GF I na year or two
Essendon are looking to be aggressive adding at least Goldstein, Gresham and Ben McKay

Collingwood now favourites to get to 17 first.
Carlton vs Collingwood final would be huge next year, imagine they meet in the grand final.

Interestingly the next three clubs are all tied on 13 premierships.
Who gets to 14 first?
Hawthorn, Melbourne or Richmond?

 

[PerthBoy86]

Collingwood now favourites to get to 17 first.
Carlton vs Collingwood final would be huge next year, imagine they meet in the grand final.

Interestingly the next three clubs are all tied on 13 premierships.
Who gets to 14 first?
Hawthorn, Melbourne or Richmond?

Melbourne clearly in the window but need to fix up some things. Hawthorn and Richmond - one is in the middle of the rebuild the other just beginning - another 6 years away at least.

 

[benfica]

thread should be renamed to which melb club first to VFL/AFL premierships

 

[Chronz]

thread should be renamed to which melb club first to VFL/AFL premierships

Just worry about winning your first one.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Collingwood in the box seat now.

 

[NewMelbournian]

2024 big dance. Collingwood v Carlton for the first to 17.

 

[The King!]

16th premiership leads to a curse of failure doesn't it?

 

[PieLebo87]

16th premiership leads to a curse of failure doesn't it?

We’ve had our curse lifted. The rest of our existence outside those 32 years have been consistently successful.

 

[The King!]

We’ve had our curse lifted. The rest of our existence outside those 32 years have been consistently successful.

Just going on the last teams to win their 16th flag, hasn't been pretty since

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I mean it’s a nice little argument but really means nothing. The premiership was established in 1888 by the VFA, which was the original competition in which all three clubs played each other until they all broke away together in 1896.

Essendon 20
Carlton 17
Collingwood 16

Any other answer is just wrong.

People who disagree can go and tell all of England that their titles before 1992 don’t count - you’ll be laughed out of the place.

 

[PieLebo87]

I mean it’s a nice little argument but really means nothing. The premiership was established in 1888 by the VFA, which was the original competition in which all three clubs played each other until they all broke away together in 1896.

Essendon 20
Carlton 17
Collingwood 16

Any other answer is just wrong.

People who disagree can go and tell all of England that their titles before 1992 don’t count - you’ll be laughed out of the place.

It’s sad if you actually believe this.

 

[Taper]

I mean it’s a nice little argument but really means nothing. The premiership was established in 1888 by the VFA, which was the original competition in which all three clubs played each other until they all broke away together in 1896.

Essendon 20
Carlton 17
Collingwood 16

Any other answer is just wrong.

People who disagree can go and tell all of England that their titles before 1992 don’t count - you’ll be laughed out of the place.

We've won 17 premierships going back to when competition at the highest level started.
Three peats in 1878-1879-1880 and 1882-1883-1884 followed by cherry on top in 1886.

Collingwood have won 17 premierships too.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

We've won 17 premierships going back to when competition at the highest level started.
Three peats in 1878-1879-1880 and 1882-1883-1884 followed by cherry on top in 1886.

Collingwood have won 17 premierships too.

LOL yeah ok Colin Carter…

The premiership was established by the VFA in 1888.

 

[Taper]

LOL yeah ok Colin Carter…

The premiership was established by the VFA in 1888.

Our 17 premierships are painted on our premiership stand, I'm sure you saw them painted on the stand when you watched the Bombers play us at Kardinia Park this year.

Also, does this mean Collingwood falsely claim to be the only club to have won 4 premierships in a row?
Ask anyone who supporters Collingwood and they'll tell you no other club has ever won 4 premierships in a row.

 

[brutus76]

Not us

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Our 17 premierships are painted on our premiership stand, I'm sure you saw them painted on the stand when you watched the Bombers play us at Kardinia Park this year.

Also, does this mean Collingwood falsely claim to be the only club to have won 4 premierships in a row?
Ask anyone who supporters Collingwood and they'll tell you no other club has ever won 4 premierships in a row.

Just because your club (more just one weirdo ex president) is deluded enough to count “premierships” before the premiership was established, doesn’t make it correct.

There wasn’t even a ladder before 1888.

On your second point correct, Essendon won four in a row 1891-94.

I understand the pre-VFL days might not be relevant for many newer clubs, but this is a conversation about the historic Victorian clubs, predominantly Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon. All were in the pre-VFL VFA, so of course the premierships count when comparing clubs.

20 Essendon
17 Collingwood
16 Carlton
13 Richmond, Melbourne, Hawthorn

 

[HTPunter]

I mean it’s a nice little argument but really means nothing. The premiership was established in 1888 by the VFA, which was the original competition in which all three clubs played each other until they all broke away together in 1896.

Essendon 20
Carlton 17
Collingwood 16

Any other answer is just wrong.

People who disagree can go and tell all of England that their titles before 1992 don’t count - you’ll be laughed out of the place.

Port Adelaide fan in disguise

 

[HTPunter]

VFA premierships before a self-admitted breakaway are as relevant to VFL/AFL premiership tallies as SANFL.

 

[timokane]

Collingwood when they go back to back in 2024

 

[Daka]

AFL might decide they want to gift Carlton a flag can't rule that out. bring in the $$