Draft Winners and Losers

[STPer18]

Why? If we get them all wrong what's the worst that can happen? We'll just get another crack at the elite end of the draft.

No pissfarting around in the middle of the ladder.

You generally only get one crack at the elite end of the draft every 12 months. Everything of value was sold for this draft, unless you've got another Bolton/Rioli/Baker trio hidden away. Thanks to North it'll be a couple of cracks next year but then you're on the drip feed system. The success or failure of the 2024 draft will be the backbone of Richmond's rebuild, that's why I said they need to be the winners more than anyone else.

 

[living_in_syd]

Biggest question is where does cal twomny get his sources from?

 

[blaisee]

There’s 3 Premiership players and a multiple time AA player in that group lol

Aa jumpers are guaranteed

Premierships , not so much

Question has to be asked

Who is closer to a premiership , Richmond or Geelong ?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Biggest question is where does cal twomny get his sources from?

His mail is amazing
Even his predecessor in Emma Quayle didn't nail it as frequently as he does

 

[Footy Smarts]

Biggest question is where does cal twomny get his sources from?

I want to know who from Geelong was pulling his leg.

According to Twomey we were considering trading our future first for Dodson. In actual fact we passed on him twice and took his teammate Molier ahead of him.

 

[blaisee]

Biggest question is where does cal twomny get his sources from?

Player managers 100%

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Your list has been absolutely smashed because none of your decent players want to play for the club and you’ve been forced to gamble on kids.

North desperately wanted a KPP and will finish higher than bottom four next year so wanted to cash in and get a year into a player and you got lucky with right place, right time not Hartley “not blinking”.

Fixed it for you. Richmond made the best of a shit situation but the lengths you’ve gone to a spin a positive and intentional narrative are outrageous.

If this is true, why are all our supporters so happy with what the club is doing?

There is little doubt that the decisions of Graham, D Rioli, Baker & Bolton to leave were joint decisions that suited all parties, so your view that the club had this forced on them is, imo, likely to be incorrect. Hartley and the club deserve credit for taking the road less travelled and giving themselves the best chance to build a team that can dominate in future.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

If this is true, why are all our supporters so happy with what the club is doing?

There is little doubt that the decisions of Graham, D Rioli, Baker & Bolton to leave were joint decisions that suited all parties, so your view that the club had this forced on them is, imo, likely to be incorrect. Hartley and the club deserve credit for taking the road less travelled and giving themselves the best chance to build a team that can dominate in future.

Because you've just won three flags? Der

 

[Piggy Smalls]

The system won yet again.

The best kid in the draft cost 3 picks in the 40s.

The system. With a bit of help from Richmond, North, Carlton and Adelaide.

I can't believe there is so little noise around this. There's not a logical reason why none of those teams would bid and hold Brisbane to something resembling market value. Unless making the reigning premiers stronger was the objective. It reeks of dodginess.

 

[carlton_99]

To me the clear winners were Richmond and Port Adelaide.
The clear losers Geelong , Essendon, Carlton and Collingwood.

Why do you say Carlton are "losers" in this draft?

To me they seemed to hit on two major needs the club had mentioned pre-draft (i.e., a POD mid and KPD depth to develop under Weitering). Picked up a nice ball user in defence in the rookie draft and the two Camporeale brothers for practically nothing.

 

[mike ross]

 

[The Devils Advocate]

Dodoro wouldn't have been psyched out like that. There is a man prepared to stick to his guns

And he'd have picked Aaron Francis v2.

 

[The Devils Advocate]

I'm just here to see Richmond pick out every rock amongst a pan of gold.

Love the people using hindsight constantly with Essendon's pick. If we had pick 9 still, we would have lost it on Kako as we definitely would have matched and the criticism would have been higher. Made the best of a situation where you can only gain criticism.

At the end of the day, we got a top 10 pick, addwd two high picks next year. Picked big Kayle who could be Paul Salmon or Kepler Bradley and got an elite kick who can run all day in Angus Clarke.

 

[The Devils Advocate]

Biggest question is where does cal twomny get his sources from?

He's just liked and trusted by clubs. Doesn't give away their secrets, just takes what he needs. Very rare a journo has the trust of clubs.

 

[BF Tiger]

Clearly the winners are the Richmond trolls who get the chance to suggest we got it wrong taking Lalor at 1 and Smillie at 7, that player X would have been better at pick 12 or 14, that we would have been better off trading certain picks for certain other picks and of course highlighting how we only had all these picks because (a) we won the wooden spoon and (b) contracted players left the club (something something culture).

 

[draft_enjoyer]

You generally only get one crack at the elite end of the draft every 12 months. Everything of value was sold for this draft, unless you've got another Bolton/Rioli/Baker trio hidden away. Thanks to North it'll be a couple of cracks next year but then you're on the drip feed system. The success or failure of the 2024 draft will be the backbone of Richmond's rebuild, that's why I said they need to be the winners more than anyone else.

Our flag sides only had 3 top 10 picks that we drafted.

The real make or break is the clever recruiting through rookies and later picks, as well as trades and FA of course.

 

[draft_enjoyer]

Never thought I'd say this, but bring back Hocking

 

[sabso]

Never thought I'd say this, but bring back Hocking

Hocking would demand that each team had at least one person standing in the war rooms

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Why do you say Carlton are "losers" in this draft?

To me they seemed to hit on two major needs the club had mentioned pre-draft (i.e., a POD mid and KPD depth to develop under Weitering). Picked up a nice ball user in defence in the rookie draft and the two Camporeale brothers for practically nothing.

I think you gave up too much for pick 3 and Jagga Smith doesn't have as much upside to the other top 7 mids imo.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I don't understand North's thinking trading away a future first for a second rounder

It’s simple really.

2024:

- North get pick 27 and pick up Matt Witlock.

2025 when Richmond finish bottom (surprising no-one) and North finish top (surprising everyone):

• Richmond end up with pick 25ish (if Lions’ 2024 1st round pick is any indication)
• North end up with pick 28ish (if Tigers’ 2024 2nd round pick is any indication)

If that were to happen, it’ll seem like an excellent trade from North’s point of view. Even if North don’t make it quite that high they’ll still have done well out of the trade.

The wider AFL community are used to North being on the bottom, but they’re not going to be there forever. You have admire that they’re now backing themselves rather than putting their hand out for charity picks.

 

[76woodenspooners]

What Richmond did was smart and might pay huge rewards in a few years.

That’s one option.

Ending up like the Suns did after getting all their top end talent is another option.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Losers
Collingwood - Got a player they may not have wanted when Sydney didn’t match their bid

No club picks a player that they don’t want.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

The thing that immediately grabbed my attention here was the broadcaster mentioning "respective war rooms."

My immediate thought was I need a respective war room, they sound cool. You can only imagine my dismay when I googled respective war rooms for sale and couldn't find any respective war rooms anywhere. There don't seem to be any in existance, let alone listed for sale. So it seems the AFL clubs own the only respective war rooms in the world. What do you reckon they would want for them?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

To me the clear winners were Richmond and Port Adelaide.
The clear losers Geelong , Essendon, Carlton and Collingwood.

I'm glad to see that your football opinions are as cooked as your political opinions.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

I'm just here to see Richmond pick out every rock amongst a pan of gold.

Love the people using hindsight constantly with Essendon's pick. If we had pick 9 still, we would have lost it on Kako as we definitely would have matched and the criticism would have been higher. Made the best of a situation where you can only gain criticism.

At the end of the day, we got a top 10 pick, addwd two high picks next year. Picked big Kayle who could be Paul Salmon or Kepler Bradley and got an elite kick who can run all day in Angus Clarke.

Who was going to bid on Kako before pick 9?