Does Murphy get to 300?

[Bluey19]

Good Post Cliff...
Think he will still be remember by us supporters as a 300 game Carlton champion, even if he gets carried to 300 games...
In years to come we will forget and only remember him as a 300 game player..

I’ll remember him as a battler that eeked out 300. Great effort but absolutely no champion.

 

[azzablue16]

I’ll remember him as a battler that eeked out 300. Great effort but absolutely no champion.

I’m with you a battler who played in our shocking losing history and he knew how to milk it to his advantage and to get thru 300 aka like the old bulldogs and saints of yesteryear used to do

it will be another black dot To remind us of the dark days

when I look at simmo and the games he played to
Join the 300 club , I will remember him as someone who bled for jumper , put his body on the line to his very last game and left nothing out there

and that’s the difference of a Carlton champion. Deserving and someone who only thinks of himself

huge differ Between Murphy and simmo (simmo Only blight is the carrying off Gibbs last year )

 

[thebluelagoon]

why would you deny a young player a game if he already ahead of Murphy? You would stunt a players development to get an old players game count to a round number? Is this really in the best interest of the club? is it good for culture? gifting games is bad for culture.

tell murphy, if he wants to get to 300 games he need to get 10 tackles every game, if he doesn't he gets dropped

 

[WFGodot]

If he is capable of being picked on merit, he plays.
If not, time to select the next in line who deserves it.
He's a great of the club, whether he plays 295 or 302 means very little other than another milestone. He has my respect regardless.

 

[bmaurizio]

Marc Murphy, pick 1st Pick 2005 draft year, our Club Captain from 2013-2018, B&F2011, AA & MVP and people can still be boringly critical, rant on.
what to do and say about the several real plodders we've been forced to carry for a few years ?

 

[azzablue16]

Marc Murphy, pick 1st Pick 2005 draft year, our Club Captain from 2013-2018, B&F2011, AA & MVP and people can still be boringly critical, rant on.
what to do and say about the several real plodders we've been forced to carry for a few years ?

Thank you for reminding me of his lack of achievement in recent years , as I continue to watch Mundy , boak , josh Kennedy swans with envy

I don’t know what you are you going to do when eventually the end does come for him !!
Are you going to be ok ??

 

[Drexl 31]

No unfortunately.

 

[thylacine60]

I’ll remember him as a battler that eeked out 300. Great effort but absolutely no champion.

neither of those descriptors are accurate...........

 

[bmaurizio]

Thank you for reminding me of his lack of achievement in recent years , as I continue to watch Mundy , boak , josh Kennedy swans with envy

I don’t know what you are you going to do when eventually the end does come for him !!
Are you going to be ok ??

I’ll always celebrate Marc for the CFC champion he is , in his prime amongst the elite AFL midfielders. As was his champion father and grandfather was no slouch either. The linage is classy AFL footballers, if one cares to look into the topic.
Let’s show some due respect and appreciation, for the great work Marc Murphy has given the club.

 

[Gethelred]

Think he's going to struggle now. Were we going well, he'd be a shoe-in; now that we're not, if he's not performing (and that includes tackling) he's not going to get picked.

 

[Wickzki]

Think he's going to struggle now. Were we going well, he'd be a shoe-in; now that we're not, if he's not performing (and that includes tackling) he's not going to get picked.

Honestly, it's a matter of how he gets to 300 - in the 22 or the medical sub.

After that, thanks Marc and enjoy your retirement.

 

[juzz88]

It's interesting to read people's thoughts as to what defines a champion.

Simmo is definitely a champion, you'll get no arguments from me there. He bled for the jumper, as others have stated. Simpson also had a more consistent career than Murphy, no question.

Having said that, I'd argue that Murph has played more "elite" games than Simmo. Murph reached a level that Simpson never got close to.

So does Murphy's peak not make up for his poor form over the past two years?

It seems there's a bit of recency bias in some of these views. I think (read: hope), in the long run, his last two seasons will be nothing more than a footnote in an otherwise celebrated career.

 

[T2B_]

First I've ever heard Murph called a "battler", FML

 

[FRUMPY]

Think he's going to struggle now. Were we going well, he'd be a shoe-in; now that we're not, if he's not performing (and that includes tackling) he's not going to get picked.

he'll get there, you know he will. This club lets other things besides being a best 22 player influence their selection criteria.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

They should have sat him down over the break and shared a few home truths with him - you are not playing well enough to be getting a game in a team that has performed way below expectations and MUST try younger players showing promise (e.g. Honey, Kemp, Ramsay) in the VFL and/or were high draft picks where our investment has been plenty and we need to see if they are part of the future (e.g. SPS, LOB).

If he didn’t cop it, kindly advise retiring immediately may be a good option..

The fans are not happy to the extent that an external review is now in place - Murph should have been diplomatically reminded of this too.

He’s been a great player for our club but the club is always bigger than the individual. It’s a pity that our match committee didn’t step in earlier to make this less painful for the guy, but alas if things were “right” in areas such as this we wouldn’t need a review would we?

 

[El Topo]

Speaking in hindsight with zero medical knowledge - can't help but wonder whether the club regrets retiring the wrong "Chosen One" at the end of last year.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I’ll remember him as a battler that eeked out 300. Great effort but absolutely no champion.

Pathetic post.

 

[FRUMPY]

Speaking in hindsight with zero medical knowledge - can't help but wonder whether the club regrets retiring the wrong "Chosen One" at the end of last year.

Most likely regrets not showing murphy the door, no regrets on Simpson though

 

[JustaBattler]

I’m with you a battler who played in our shocking losing history and he knew how to milk it to his advantage and to get thru 300 aka like the old bulldogs and saints of yesteryear used to do

it will be another black dot To remind us of the dark days

when I look at simmo and the games he played to
Join the 300 club , I will remember him as someone who bled for jumper , put his body on the line to his very last game and left nothing out there

and that’s the difference of a Carlton champion. Deserving and someone who only thinks of himself

huge differ Between Murphy and simmo (simmo Only blight is the carrying off Gibbs last year )

Murphy has copped more serious injuries on-field playing as an undersized on-baller in an era that favoured bigger-bodied mids - than any other Carlton player I can think of - correct me if I am wrong - in Simpson's case the only major collision injury I can recall is his broken jaw courtesy of the Wellham incident in a game against Collingwood.

There is no doubt whatsoever that at his best he was one of the best midfielders in the game- if not the best for a time - regularly slicing through the opposition with leg speed and evasiveness, regularly kicking 45-meter goals - regularly setting up teammates with long penetrating kicks to advantage. He and Judd were the midfield stars in Rattens years.

So comparing him to Simpson and concluding that Simpson's game tally is of greater merit than Murphy's doesn't line up with the facts as I see them.

A player of Murphy's class deserved to have experienced more finals appearances if not a flag. Instead, he stuck fat through the worst period in Carlton's history - doing it tough week in week out at the coal face not off a HBF or a forward pocket.

I respect that effort and if helping him get to a milestone of 300 games being some compensation for his contribution to the Club is a form of recognition - fair enough. He isn't the difference between winning or losing a game in '21.

 

[Blueballs38]

Murphy was a champion, elite midfielder. I don’t think anyone disputes that.

I also don’t think anyone can dispute his effort on field this year has been really poor.

He has obviously played an extra year to get to the 300 milestone but it will tarnish rather than make his career.

Like I said was a gun a while back but I have to say his captaincy and the last few years were not feathers in his cap.

If he is in the best 22 play him but on current output he is no where near it.

Don’t need to pot the guy to say how things are in reality.

I do get the feeling that is attitude the last few years has permeated through the team .... young blokes coming in look to the older blokes to show how it’s done. As a role model for the youth coming in the last few years Smurph has been pretty bad. I think all and sundry can agree with that.

 

[Lace_Out]

Exactly

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[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

You don't get to 300 games if you can't play.

Correct.
The question is, can Murphy play? And to a standard that warrants being in the seniors?
We all know he could play. He's been amazing at times during his career. We all know that he has his limitations now, for various reasons. Some are willing to accept that and reward his loyalty by looking past those limitations and gifting him the required games to reach the milestone.
Others (myself included) believe that he still needs to earn the right (As I'm typing the word 'right' I'm thinking to myself that this is far from his 'right') to reach it, and can't coast through on form from 3+ years ago.

Just because you've been good enough to reach 290+ games (which is amazing in itself), doesn't mean you get an armchair ride for the last half dozen or so. Especially in what is a crucial year development wise for the club in our attempts to take that next step towards finals footy.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

It's interesting to read people's thoughts as to what defines a champion.

Simmo is definitely a champion, you'll get no arguments from me there. He bled for the jumper, as others have stated. Simpson also had a more consistent career than Murphy, no question.

Having said that, I'd argue that Murph has played more "elite" games than Simmo. Murph reached a level that Simpson never got close to.

So does Murphy's peak not make up for his poor form over the past two years?

It seems there's a bit of recency bias in some of these views. I think (read: hope), in the long run, his last two seasons will be nothing more than a footnote in an otherwise celebrated career.

Hard to compare Murph and Simmo because of the positions they play(ed). Simmo absolutely had plenty of elite games for a HBF.
Recency bias when talking about whether or not to pick a player on form? How dare people?!?

The question remains, if his last 2 seasons will be nothing more than a footnote in a celebrated career (which I agree with), why carry him to 300? Would that career have been less celebrated as a 268 game career? Or a 285 game career?
Would have been applauded by all had he retired at the end of 2020 and probably fitting to go out the same year as Simmo and Kreuz. He certainly wouldn't have been thought any less of by not reaching 300 games. Unfortunately, by playing on and trying to reach that milestone whilst clearly not up to it, he will now be thought less of by some, and that number seems to grow with each game that he plays, rightly or wrongly.
You can't say that playing on hasn't tarnished his career. Maybe not for you, or for plenty of others, but it clearly has for some.

 

[juzz88]

Recency bias when talking about whether or not to pick a player on form? How dare people?!?

I meant recency bias in not remembering him as a champion player. I have no issue with him being dropped.

The question remains, if his last 2 seasons will be nothing more than a footnote in a celebrated career (which I agree with), why carry him to 300? Would that career have been less celebrated as a 268 game career? Or a 285 game career?
Would have been applauded by all had he retired at the end of 2020 and probably fitting to go out the same year as Simmo and Kreuz. He certainly wouldn't have been thought any less of by not reaching 300 games.

Agreed.

Unfortunately, by playing on and trying to reach that milestone whilst clearly not up to it, he will now be thought less of by some, and that number seems to grow with each game that he plays, rightly or wrongly.
You can't say that playing on hasn't tarnished his career. Maybe not for you, or for plenty of others, but it clearly has for some.

It is unfortunate. Particularly because there isn't really anyone banging down the door for selection. It's not as if replacing him with someone else would have improved our record this season. Again, I'm not suggesting he shouldn't be dropped. And obviously, getting more games into our youngsters will yield benefits next year. However, I don't believe the fact that he is being selected should be held against him, because he doesn't select the team.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Correct.
The question is, can Murphy play? And to a standard that warrants being in the seniors?
We all know he could play. He's been amazing at times during his career. We all know that he has his limitations now, for various reasons. Some are willing to accept that and reward his loyalty by looking past those limitations and gifting him the required games to reach the milestone.
Others (myself included) believe that he still needs to earn the right (As I'm typing the word 'right' I'm thinking to myself that this is far from his 'right') to reach it, and can't coast through on form from 3+ years ago.

Just because you've been good enough to reach 290+ games (which is amazing in itself), doesn't mean you get an armchair ride for the last half dozen or so. Especially in what is a crucial year development wise for the club in our attempts to take that next step towards finals footy.

I don't disagree, but you show these guys some respect and reward them for their loyal service.There are not too many kicking the door down demanding a sport. Gift a game to a loyal servant, or to a younger player who probably does not deserve it.