Do Geelong deserve to host every home game + home final at Kardinia Park?

[Rich01]

Scott could offer a working theory to solve the world’s energy issues and still be labelled a whinger

Perhaps from some.
But I don’t see him get beat up by the media for voicing an opinion like other coaches do. If he was, I’d expect he would face a backlash over the next couple of days from his comments. I’m expecting widespread support instead.

By the way, I’m all for clubs playing all their home games at their own ground.

 

[parano1a]

That must be incredibly taxing for a melbourne team to play in Melbourne on a ground they average 8.5 games a year at.

Metricon is on the Gold Coast...

 

[PhatBoy]

Metricon is on the Gold Coast...

My bad I speed read it as marvel

 

[PhatBoy]

Perhaps from some.
But I don’t see him get beat up by the media for voicing an opinion like other coaches do. If he was, I’d expect he would face a backlash over the next couple of days from his comments. I’m expecting widespread support instead.

By the way, I’m all for clubs playing all their home games at their own ground.

Do the media beat up dimma? I know some fans do, same as they do Scott

 

[Rich01]

Do the media beat up dimma? I know some fans do, same as they do Scott

Hard to get a grasp of all the commentary about the 18 coaches and their opinions but he was absolutely pilloried for his view that Richmond shouldn’t be playing home games at Marvel earlier this year. Consistency would say Coach Scott gets the same treatment.

It will be interesting to see the narrative on this one over the next couple of days. Personally I think Whately, Cornes, King and co will support his notion rather than criticise it.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Everyone is subject to the father son rule. It didn’t involve any bottoming out, any low finishing, nothing. Every team has the same access to that rule regardless of what your club is doing on and off the field. Access to the top of the draft otherwise DOES get impacted by what you do off and on the field.

Correct! That’s the whole thrust of this argument. Geelong didn’t need to bottom out to secure 3 x hall of famers as they lucked out via the father-son rule. Of course other teams have access to it …. but if previous players don’t have kids or don’t have boys or have kids with no ability the rule is completely useless to them. The father-son benefits or otherwise are 100% luck….aren’t they? And Geelong got lucky with 3 hall of famers. Good luck to them.


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[PhatBoy]

Correct! That’s the whole thrust of this argument. Geelong didn’t need to bottom out to secure 3 x hall of famers as they lucked out via the father-son rule. Of course other teams have access to it …. but if previous players don’t have kids or don’t have boys or have kids with no ability the rule is completely useless to them. The father-son benefits or otherwise are 100% luck….aren’t they? And Geelong got lucky with 3 hall of famers. Good luck to them.


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No we got lucky with one of them.
The other two may well have amounted to absolutely nothing if we didn’t draft them.

 

[Noidnadroj]

No we got lucky with one of them.
The other two may well have amounted to absolutely nothing if we didn’t draft them.

Ok, you’ve officially jumped the shark suggesting a walk up AFL legend and a 6 x AA might have both amounted to nothing if not drafted by Geelong - I think you’re giving your club just a little bit too much credit. Maybe there is a magic wand down there….


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[CharacterFirst]

Ok, you’ve officially jumped the shark suggesting a walk up AFL legend and a 6 x AA might have both amounted to nothing if not drafted by Geelong - I think you’re giving your club just a little bit too much credit. Maybe there is a magic wand down there….


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Nah. He is basically correct.

Geelong made their F/S into the stars they became.

 

[PhatBoy]

Ok, you’ve officially jumped the shark suggesting a walk up AFL legend and a 6 x AA might have both amounted to nothing if not drafted by Geelong - I think you’re giving your club just a little bit too much credit. Maybe there is a magic wand down there….


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gary Ablett wasn’t rated at all pre-draft and then spent 5 seasons playing as an unreliable small forward and in the worlds of Cameron Mooney ‘the worst trainer he has ever seen.’ After the leading teams review and a sit down session in front of his teammates where he got absolutely baked to the point where he said he was resentful, before turning into that player. So yeah, while you could say ‘you got lucky’ that would imply that if we didn’t draft him FS, there would have been a host of clubs queuing up to sign him who would have developed him the same way and gone through all the same steps to get him to where he ended up.

likewise Scarlett wasnt highly rated pre draft either and he too may well have amounted to little or been ignored altogether.

why the **** are you trying to say that we’ve gotten some unfair advantage from a rule that everyone can use, in comparison to the other alternative which is to actually be shit and get rewarded for it. At least our gifts came through blind luck rather than as an active reward for shitness

 

[BF Tiger]

gary Ablett wasn’t rated at all pre-draft and then spent 5 seasons playing as an unreliable small forward and in the worlds of Cameron Mooney ‘the worst trainer he has ever seen.’ After the leading teams review and a sit down session in front of his teammates where he got absolutely baked to the point where he said he was resentful, before turning into that player. So yeah, while you could say ‘you got lucky’ that would imply that if we didn’t draft him FS, there would have been a host of clubs queuing up to sign him who would have developed him the same way and gone through all the same steps to get him to where he ended up.

likewise Scarlett wasnt highly rated pre draft either and he too may well have amounted to little or been ignored altogether.

why the fu** are you trying to say that we’ve gotten some unfair advantage from a rule that everyone can use, in comparison to the other alternative which is to actually be sh*t and get rewarded for it. At least our gifts came through blind luck rather than as an active reward for shitness

Scarlett not rated... was a Vic Country rep at U18 level and selected at FB in the TAC Cup's Team of the Year.

no, it’s actually above our overall non-KP record. Use the internet and research.

Clearly Ablett always had it in him. Maybe the knock on Geelong is that they let him coast for too long.

 

[Noidnadroj]

gary Ablett wasn’t rated at all pre-draft and then spent 5 seasons playing as an unreliable small forward and in the worlds of Cameron Mooney ‘the worst trainer he has ever seen.’ After the leading teams review and a sit down session in front of his teammates where he got absolutely baked to the point where he said he was resentful, before turning into that player. So yeah, while you could say ‘you got lucky’ that would imply that if we didn’t draft him FS, there would have been a host of clubs queuing up to sign him who would have developed him the same way and gone through all the same steps to get him to where he ended up.

likewise Scarlett wasnt highly rated pre draft either and he too may well have amounted to little or been ignored altogether.

why the fu** are you trying to say that we’ve gotten some unfair advantage from a rule that everyone can use, in comparison to the other alternative which is to actually be sh*t and get rewarded for it. At least our gifts came through blind luck rather than as an active reward for shitness

Where did I say it was unfair? My only point is you got lucky. Just like you were lucky Danger’s family lived in Moggs Creek. None of it is unfair at all. It’s just lucky. If you don’t believe it was lucky that you got 3 x hall of famers via father-son then no probs, that’s your thoughts. I think it was lucky, that’s all.


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[PhatBoy]

Scarlett not rated... was a Vic Country rep at U18 level and selected at FB in the TAC Cup's Team of the Year.







Clearly Ablett always had it in him. Maybe the knock on Geelong is that they let him coast for too long.

yes Scarlett was also very undersized for a fullback and was built like Dustin Fletcher only a lot shorter.
I don’t doubt that he would have been a good player no matter lot - along with King he was the only AA from our golden era who achieved it before we got good (aside from ottens who was at Richmond) but he didn’t have people queuing up to get him

 

[GhostofJimJess]

No we got lucky with one of them.
The other two may well have amounted to absolutely nothing if we didn’t draft them.

Yep, probably about as nothing as some other recent father-son discard premiership stars Alex Rance, Liam Picken, Josh Dunkley, Josh Kennedy and Jeremy McGovern.

 

[JohnZ]

You've played 67 or so games there in the last 10 seasons

How many of those are our home finals, how many are our home games? We didn't chose to play at the MCG 67 times over the past 10 seasons.

 

[sprockets]

How many of those are our home finals, how many are our home games? We didn't chose to play at the MCG 67 times over the past 10 seasons.

Yeah I know you didn't necessarily choose to play all 67 games there but it gives you more than enough experience at the ground, along with your MCG sized training ground. There's a reason Geelong wins 90% of their games at KP and it's not because you're that good, or do Geelong supporters think you are and the ground doesn't afford you a massive advantage that no other Vic team has?

 

[PhatBoy]

Yeah I know you didn't necessarily choose to play all 67 games there but it gives you more than enough experience at the ground, along with your MCG sized training ground. There's a reason Geelong wins 90% of their games at KP and it's not because you're that good, or do Geelong supporters think you are and the ground doesn't afford you a massive advantage that no other Vic team has?

Well yeah it is because we are that good.

if a WA, Sydney, SA or QLD team had a 90 per cent win record at their home ground AND a 62 per cent win record on the road, everyone would be on their knees gagging for it.


15-13.

Do you know what that number is? That’s your win loss ratio over 2017-2019 (I didn’t count 2020 as a massive chunk of away games were neutral)

so in your dynasty years, you won at a shade over 50 per cent when you were playing other teams, on their home ground. In your best seasons for 40 years, you won at just over 50 per cent on the road.
And you were the best team on the comp.

So I would suggest, given that our away winning ratio under Scott, which is better than yours, in your three best years, would suggest that actually, we HAVE been that good, and we would be winning 90 per cent of our games at home regardless. Because that’s what happens when good teams play at home.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Well yeah it is because we are that good.

if a WA, Sydney, SA or QLD team had a 90 per cent win record at their home ground AND a 62 per cent win record on the road, everyone would be on their knees gagging for it.


15-13.

Do you know what that number is? That’s your win loss ratio over 2017-2019 (I didn’t count 2020 as a massive chunk of away games were neutral)

so in your dynasty years, you won at a shade over 50 per cent when you were playing other teams, on their home ground. In your best seasons for 40 years, you won at just over 50 per cent on the road.
And you were the best team on the comp.

So I would suggest, given that our away winning ratio under Scott, which is better than yours, in your three best years, would suggest that actually, we HAVE been that good, and we would be winning 90 per cent of our games at home regardless. Because that’s what happens when good teams play at home.

It’s important to note in Richmond’s dynasty you’ve had mostly very strong interstate teams competing in Grand Finals, prelim finals and even winning flags : Eagles, Crows, Lions, Port, GWS. So this of course impacts the win/loss in away games compared to for example Geelong’s dynasty era where the interstate teams were mostly crud.

If the interstate teams were crud in Richmond’s dynasty period…. given most other games were at the MCG and at one stage we’d won 23 in a row at the MCG and were 40-3 there … well…. As they
say ‘damn lies and statistics’ …..


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[PhatBoy]

It’s important to note in Richmond’s dynasty you’ve had mostly very strong interstate teams competing in Grand Finals, prelim finals and even winning flags : Eagles, Crows, Lions, Port, GWS. So this of course impacts the win/loss in away games compared to for example Geelong’s dynasty era where the interstate teams were mostly crud.

If the interstate teams were crud in Richmond’s dynasty period…. given most other games were at the MCG and at one stage we’d won 23 in a row at the MCG and were 40-3 there … well…. As they
say ‘damn lies and statistics’ …..


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In Geelong’s period of time with that record, Sydney have played 3 grand finals, west coast 2, Adelaide 1, GWS 1, Fremantle 1. Port have made 4 finals series in the last 8 years. It doesn’t include anything pre-2011.

 

[Wojcinski]

Yeah I know you didn't necessarily choose to play all 67 games there but it gives you more than enough experience at the ground, along with your MCG sized training ground. There's a reason Geelong wins 90% of their games at KP and it's not because you're that good, or do Geelong supporters think you are and the ground doesn't afford you a massive advantage that no other Vic team has?

but why should Geelong care about what other advantages other Vic clubs have? Geelong is the only regional Vic club. When Geelong was shit in the late 90s and early 00s our record at KP was still poor. Playing at home gives us a leg up, as it does for most teams but having different dimensions on the ground doesn't kick the ball through the goals for you.

 

[Noidnadroj]

In Geelong’s period of time with that record, Sydney have played 3 grand finals, west coast 2, Adelaide 1, GWS 1, Fremantle 1. Port have made 4 finals series in the last 8 years. It doesn’t include anything pre-2011.

I didn’t mention Geelong…. I was replying to your assessment of Richmond’s away form.. In 3-years from 2017-19 Adelaide made a GF, Eagles won a GF, GWS won finals in all 3 seasons and made a GF, Port made finals, Brisbane made finals, Sydney made finals twice.

In a good portion of Geelong’s numbers from 2011 : GWS and Gold Coast were fledgling clubs and Brisbane were uncompetitive.

Geelong’s away record is superb and has been for a long time. Richmond’s away record is not as strong, but the relative strength of interstate teams overall from 2017-19 certainly impacts that.


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[geelong_crazy26]

Can we all also stop getting sucked into the PR spin of the AFL saying finals are played at venues for the “fans”.. you have to be pretty dumb of a Richmond supporter to actually believe this.

the biggest game of the year the grand final is the complete opposite of being about the fans, it’s just corporate after corporate tickets handed out to people who doesn’t even know who Garry ablett is.. I literally had the privilege of sitting behind some of the “ fans” the AFL looks after in the 2009 grand final and one said “who is no 29?”. Yeah yeah.. it’s all about the “fans” AFL.

not to mention higher ticketing prices in the interest of the “Fans” during finals… so let’s stop the garbage talk and get a few more brain cells active in the head. The AFL doesn’t care about fans, they care about $$$$$

there is no reason whatsoever Geelong shouldn't host finals in Geelong if the AFL doesn't want to become hypocritical on its own equalisation policies.

I guess equalisation only matters as long as $$$ is prioritised

 

[geelong_crazy26]

No we got lucky with one of them.
The other two may well have amounted to absolutely nothing if we didn’t draft them.

Dont get thr idea of our father sons being luck for us when garry ablett was a mid-late second round draft value, and matthew scarlett third rounder.. Only hawkins was a top pick and he didnt even come good until after our premiership era.

The sydney academy picks are what you call luck

 

[yodellinhank]

Can we all also stop getting sucked into the PR spin of the AFL saying finals are played at venues for the “fans”.. you have to be pretty dumb of a Richmond supporter to actually believe this.

the biggest game of the year the grand final is the complete opposite of being about the fans, it’s just corporate after corporate tickets handed out to people who doesn’t even know who Garry ablett is.. I literally had the privilege of sitting behind some of the “ fans” the AFL looks after in the 2009 grand final and one said “who is no 29?”. Yeah yeah.. it’s all about the “fans” AFL.

not to mention higher ticketing prices in the interest of the “Fans” during finals… so let’s stop the garbage talk and get a few more brain cells active in the head. The AFL doesn’t care about fans, they care about $$$$$

there is no reason whatsoever Geelong shouldn't host finals in Geelong if the AFL doesn't want to become hypocritical on its own equalisation policies.

I guess equalisation only matters as long as $$$ is prioritised

Equalisation is only there for $$$. Hopefully you get to see finals at GMHBA stadium, do you think one of the local teams can beat Colac? Maybe they should get a home final...

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Equalisation is only there for $$$. Hopefully you get to see finals at GMHBA stadium, do you think one of the local teams can beat Colac? Maybe they should get a home final...

Unles your making some joke ref i didnt get, i dont follow geelong footy league