Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Yes. I read the same issues entirely. She slipped up that she was usually up at 7.30 then immediately redirects to what was rehearsed that she was actually up late almost same sentence!!! Bear in mind she was woken by the kids going into her room?? Did that
happen late? I don't think so

Conclusion : she was up early but lied

She has to be up late so that she failed to see FF and if she was up late it also means that the picture on the verandah with her in the chair has to be after FF left and legitimise the 9.37 time.

in effect they are using her being up late and not seeing FF to make clear disconnect and therefore legitimise the 9.37 photo. Omg that is ingenious. Use a geriatric to create the alibi.

I know I'm left field but I'm being taken where THEY lead me with their lies and deception. You see it's impossible that the photo was earlier IF FF was already gone and FGM didn't see him nor get up early.

You only lie about stuff that's important to hide the truth. 8 to 9 isn't supposed to be important but is if it legitimises the alibi of 9.37 pho

Yes. I read the same issues entirely. She slipped up that she was usually up at 7.30 then immediately redirects to what was rehearsed that she was actually up late almost same sentence!!! Bear in mind she was woken by the kids going into her room?? Did that
happen late? I don't think so

Conclusion : she was up early but lied

She has to be up late so that she failed to see FF and if she was up late it also means that the picture on the verandah with her in the chair has to be after FF left and legitimise the 9.37 time.

in effect they are using her being up late and not seeing FF to make clear disconnect and therefore legitimise the 9.37 photo. Omg that is ingenious. Use a geriatric to create the alibi.

I know I'm left field but I'm being taken where THEY lead me with their lies and deception. You see it's impossible that the photo was earlier IF FF was already gone and FGM didn't see him nor get up early.

You only lie about stuff that's important to hide the truth. 8 to 9 isn't supposed to be important but is if it legitimises the alibi of 9.37 photo

I've steadfastly maintained I think the FGM walk through and errors are a window to solving this crime.

They used the lie of her being up late and FF having already supposedly left to legitimise that which I believe to be a lie.......the timestamp of 9.37. Take that out of the picture and the death and hiding could have happened any time. The effect of that is that the body was outside the search area which we now know by virtue of cadaver evidence that it is.

So what did neighbours hear? Perhaps just one parent with FD not 2.

What was purpose of FM car trip immediately prior to search? To throw shoes away perhaps.

 

[Underarrest_]

The question is why would she discuss it at all? Indeed the detectives should have cautioned them not to discuss it so that her testimony was hers. It is a problem in.my view

I’ve watched the walkthrough again and (taking the narrative away) can see how it could be looked at this way, after so many days the foster family had a chance to talk about what they would say.
Would be interesting to know what information the Foster family told police when William first disappeared and if it coincided with what was said in the walkthroughs days later.

 

[Grassy_Knoll]

First time poster, so go easy despite my good looking profile pic.

2025, what an interesting year, Trump Nation is back, the JFK mystery might be about to be solved and
here we are our own JFK unsolved mystery with young William still no closer, or is it?

What would be the impact, if everything the Australian public has listened to, been told, about William's disappearance was all a lie? I mean the foster carers we called his mummy and daddy for years, that was a lie.

Do people think it's at all possible we've been duped from Day 1? Much like Mr Oswald, the bloke is dead, yet everyone
just said yep that's the guy, magic bullet - genius marksman!

Could Gary Jubelin flip the script, and potentially unlock secrets that may have troubled his conscience? It wouldn't take much, if he's been part of a bigger plot. The boys in Blue were clearly keen to have him removed from the case.

Ever ask yourselves why the last photo "proof of life" was pristine, no grainy image, compared to the others?

The way I see it there's 7 undeniable facts:

FM Sunrise TV photo on September 1st - why?
Original times stamps altered by 2 hours - false alibi perhaps, tied in with September 1st?
William's sister says William went looking for Daddy's Car - was he close by to FF car - Jubelin raised car incident scenario with Savage covering up for his wife. If the photos are 7:37-7:39am then its not Mr Savage's wife car that becomes an issue.
The Foster Grandma says the 3 of us had breakfast - how could you get that wrong?
No person has ever come forward to verify the FM's 2 cars in the street.
Something made Wendy Hudson leave those courts early on September 12th
FF was gone by 6am Saturday morning, before sunrise - Wendy Hudson testimony

I think the inquest being shutdown was for a very important reason that spooked some, but not others.

2025 might be the year of the surprise; after all it's the year of the snake!

 

[31550]

First time poster, so go easy despite my good looking profile pic.

2025, what an interesting year, Trump Nation is back, the JFK mystery might be about to be solved and
here we are our own JFK unsolved mystery with young William still no closer, or is it?

What would be the impact, if everything the Australian public has listened to, been told, about William's disappearance was all a lie? I mean the foster carers we called his mummy and daddy for years, that was a lie.

Do people think it's at all possible we've been duped from Day 1? Much like Mr Oswald, the bloke is dead, yet everyone
just said yep that's the guy, magic bullet - genius marksman!

Could Gary Jubelin flip the script, and potentially unlock secrets that may have troubled his conscience? It wouldn't take much, if he's been part of a bigger plot. The boys in Blue were clearly keen to have him removed from the case.

Ever ask yourselves why the last photo "proof of life" was pristine, no grainy image, compared to the others?

The way I see it there's 7 undeniable facts:

FM Sunrise TV photo on September 1st - why?
Original times stamps altered by 2 hours - false alibi perhaps, tied in with September 1st?
William's sister says William went looking for Daddy's Car - was he close by to FF car - Jubelin raised car incident scenario with Savage covering up for his wife. If the photos are 7:37-7:39am then its not Mr Savage's wife car that becomes an issue.
The Foster Grandma says the 3 of us had breakfast - how could you get that wrong?
No person has ever come forward to verify the FM's 2 cars in the street.
Something made Wendy Hudson leave those courts early on September 12th
FF was gone by 6am Saturday morning, before sunrise - Wendy Hudson testimony

I think the inquest being shutdown was for a very important reason that spooked some, but not others.

2025 might be the year of the surprise; after all it's the year of the snake!

Ok so you are aware of some anomalies in the various narratives, and have highlighted some things you consider suspicious. I think most of these have been covered before in this thread over the last 10 years, so I won't address each of them individually.
But these are just anomalies - they don't add up to a solution to the case, unless you can put them all together and come up with a plausible theory about what actually happened to William, and how all these anomalies can be accounted for. And also fit that theory to the known, proven FACTS, like phone calls and financial transactions.
In other words, what's your theory about what happened to William? Who removed him from the house? Why? Where is he now? Then we can address each of your anomalies seperately.

 

[LRitz]

FM Sunrise TV photo on September 1st - why
Original times stamps altered by 2 hours - false alibi perhaps, tied in with September 1st?

The original time stamps were not "altered". The "clock" of the camera was allegedly set to the wrong time i.e not AEST, so the time was "corrected". The tennis club CCTV was also allegedly on the wrong time ( 9 or 14 minutes slow), so that time has also been corrected.

Same if you travelled from NSW to Qld in summer time. Your watch would be out by one hour so you would "correct" it (either reset the watch or just make the mental calculation). You would see your watch says 6 pm (correct for NSW) but you would know that it is 5pm in Qld.

The forensics, presumably know their business, and say it was not altered by the FP. The police just "corrected" the time to the time in Benaroon that morning, AEST, not Bali time.

The Sunrise photo? Who knows. interesting it was used to confirm the time setting on the camera. So it did help to confirm the 9:37 time of the phots, which did help the FF's alibi.

 

[passball]

First time poster, so go easy despite my good looking profile pic.

2025, what an interesting year, Trump Nation is back, the JFK mystery might be about to be solved and
here we are our own JFK unsolved mystery with young William still no closer, or is it?

What would be the impact, if everything the Australian public has listened to, been told, about William's disappearance was all a lie? I mean the foster carers we called his mummy and daddy for years, that was a lie.

Do people think it's at all possible we've been duped from Day 1? Much like Mr Oswald, the bloke is dead, yet everyone
just said yep that's the guy, magic bullet - genius marksman!

Could Gary Jubelin flip the script, and potentially unlock secrets that may have troubled his conscience? It wouldn't take much, if he's been part of a bigger plot. The boys in Blue were clearly keen to have him removed from the case.

Ever ask yourselves why the last photo "proof of life" was pristine, no grainy image, compared to the others?

The way I see it there's 7 undeniable facts:

FM Sunrise TV photo on September 1st - why?
Original times stamps altered by 2 hours - false alibi perhaps, tied in with September 1st?
William's sister says William went looking for Daddy's Car - was he close by to FF car - Jubelin raised car incident scenario with Savage covering up for his wife. If the photos are 7:37-7:39am then its not Mr Savage's wife car that becomes an issue.
The Foster Grandma says the 3 of us had breakfast - how could you get that wrong?
No person has ever come forward to verify the FM's 2 cars in the street.
Something made Wendy Hudson leave those courts early on September 12th
FF was gone by 6am Saturday morning, before sunrise - Wendy Hudson testimony

I think the inquest being shutdown was for a very important reason that spooked some, but not others.

2025 might be the year of the surprise; after all it's the year of the snake!

September 1st the Titanic was found.
Very interesting that you have brought up something.I don't think Jubelin was looking at that, or was he??
JfK? That's a huge conspiracy, is that what you are saying? How is that connected to William?
Be good if you could elaborate more with your post.

 

[LRitz]

In 2014 the Kendall tennis courts and their CCTV camera were in Graham Street:

Daily Telegraph, 15 Nov 2014 (not paywalled):

"Investigators will today set up at the Kendall Tennis Club with still images taken of all cars captured on the club’s CCTV camera on the morning William went missing in the hope of identifying any suspicious vehicles.
Port Macquarie Superintendent Paul Fehon, who is leading the investigation [?] into the three-year-old’s disappearance nine weeks ago, said police were asking everyone who drove past the Graham St club before 11am on September 12 to come forward and identify their vehicle."

My understanding is that the time of the CCTV at the tennis club was not accurate. Understandable, there could have been some drift in the clock setting over time, and it is set up to protect the club, not expecting to be part of an investigation into looking for a lost child. It sounded like it could not see exact details or number plates of the cars passing. Again, it was not set up to monitor traffic.

My questions (to SFR).

Did CCTV tennis club see FF's Land Rover return from Lakewood, and at what time.( Maybe the CCTV was better at seeing the traffic directly on its side of the road .i.e. travelling from Kendall toward the bridge to cross the river and on to Lakewood, than the traffic on the other side of the road).

Interview SC Hudson's sons who were with FF searching the dirt road into the state forest. How did the FF act, did he say anything to them. Why did FF want to search that section when FPs and FGM say that William would have gone down hill.
I am not sure of what day of the search the map represents. Has been previously posted.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrell-detective-flags-unchecked-bins-after-toddler-disappeared/news-story/9ed07344ea11b2279364a6a361d6cd1d

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The Crabbs car per overington page 74:

"Peter Crabb and his wife Sharelle had been out that morning and returned around 9.30. having morning tea on the deck. Both remembered hearing what they assumed was the postie enter the street. They were half listening for him because the Miller's had asked them to take care of mail whilst they were in Qld.

It was a very very quiet street.. you can. always hear somebody coming up the road.. He thought the car had stopped to do a U turn before heading off again. It didn't stop at Paul Savages. It stopped at number 48. I don't know how long , about as long as it takes to put a letter in a box. It stopped then kept going. Mrs Crabbs too thought it might be the postie because it wasn't going slow, it was going reasonably fast like the postie does."

The speed of the car suggests both familiarity with location and a purpose to the drive. It wasn't a leisurely sight seeing visit.. Hearing the car come at speed means it wasn't leaving 48 as first move but coming up the street turning, stopping and then leaving again. As though picking something up that was intentional but NOT compatible with a abductors looking for an opportunity. If that were true you'd go slow and scope possibilities. It's also NOT compatible with FM placing a body in the car and leaving. Why? Well there was no up the street travel in that instance. Instead it would be placing the body in car in carport and leaving. Full stop.

The concern I have is why it stopped at all? If it had done a U turn then keep going. You stop after a U turn for a reason. Would an opportunist speed down a random street then stop? No. You might stop and pause to look at something. Wasn't there a vacant block on the market at the time? Did they pause to inspect it? Perhaps..

if they thought it was the postie does that mean they thought he stepped out of his car or van? Opened and closed car door? No mention really but it's possible.

I'm inclined to suggest this car is unrelated. It didn't match a car leaving a car port. It was going fast and shouldn't have. That in turn suggests to me an earlier trip prior to 9.30 which wouldn't have been detected

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The 9.10 GO missed call is important because it places them somewhere where they can't hear. Not verandah they would hear there. Not inside they'd hear there too. So either driveway and bikes or being distracted by WT and whatever happened. They didn't answer the phone at 9.10 in my opinion because that was the time an altercation occurred distracting them with something more important William and FM

But that can't possibly be can it because of the photo and 9.37. And we know that the photos is proof of life because that is the time when FF wasn't there and was only FGM and FM and kids just like the FGM had obsessively stated in her walk through. I believe my instincts which scream to me that 9.37 is a fake alibi fabricated by a FGM walkthrough imploring us to believe FF wasn't there when she got up.......proving to the world that the photo was true

She lied..her clear obsession in proving FF wasn't there is a deception in my opinion..Just to be safe in proving that the photo time was accurate she emphasised she didn't see FF and he had left before 8 to go collect scrip because he was really keen. What utter BS in my opinion. This is a ruse to prove photo timestamp

The inquest stated 9.37 is true. We know photos can be edited without detection. What we don't know is what proves to SFR and coroner that 9.37 is true. Perhaps there is nothing that proves it..

What playing did the neighbours actually hear?.

 

[LRitz]

The Crabbs car per overington page 74:

"Peter Crabb and his wife Sharelle had been out that morning and returned around 9.30. having morning tea on the deck. Both remembered hearing what they assumed was the postie enter the street. They were half listening for him because the Miller's had asked them to take care of mail whilst they were in Qld.

It was a very very quiet street.. you can. always hear somebody coming up the road.. He thought the car had stopped to do a U turn before heading off again. It didn't stop at Paul Savages. It stopped at number 48. I don't know how long , about as long as it takes to put a letter in a box. It stopped then kept going. Mrs Crabbs too thought it might be the postie because it wasn't going slow, it was going reasonably fast like the postie does."

The speed of the car suggests both familiarity with location and a purpose to the drive. It wasn't a leisurely sight seeing visit.. Hearing the car come at speed means it wasn't leaving 48 as first move but coming up the street turning, stopping and then leaving again. As though picking something up that was intentional but NOT compatible with a abductors looking for an opportunity. If that were true you'd go slow and scope possibilities. It's also NOT compatible with FM placing a body in the car and leaving. Why? Well there was no up the street travel in that instance. Instead it would be placing the body in car in carport and leaving. Full stop.

The concern I have is why it stopped at all? If it had done a U turn then keep going. You stop after a U turn for a reason. Would an opportunist speed down a random street then stop? No. You might stop and pause to look at something. Wasn't there a vacant block on the market at the time? Did they pause to inspect it? Perhaps..

if they thought it was the postie does that mean they thought he stepped out of his car or van? Opened and closed car door? No mention really but it's possible.

I'm inclined to suggest this car is unrelated. It didn't match a car leaving a car port. It was going fast and shouldn't have. That in turn suggests to me an earlier trip prior to 9.30 which wouldn't have been detected

No one else has come forward to say they were driving in the street. If unrelated who was in the car? The Crabbes have no reason to give false information. Both Remember.

Around 9:30 is just before the photos are taken. Did they see any cars at #48 when the got back?

So say Crabbes are on the deck possible by 9:33.

Car driving at some speed arriving at 9:33. Crabbes hear the car. It stops at #48.

Photos between 9:33 and 9:38. I estimate photos possible to have been taken within 4 minutes.

Car (maybe Land Rover) leaves at 9:38 with William after photos. Crabbes interpret this 4 or 5 minute stop as the car turning around, which it would have done any way to leave in the opposite direction.

Car returns at 10:15. Possible second time heard again by Crabbes. Car is in driveway by 10:35 and still warm at 11.

FM has no alibi between 9:03 phone call and 9:35 first photo.

Re abduction: Agree ARB, ... "NOT compatible with a abductors looking for an opportunity.... "
And remembering that no one knew that the family would be there that morning. And certainly would not know that at exactly that time that William or any child, would be out the front unsupervised. So to coincide by chance exactly is a bit of a stretch.

When was the 4 Wheel drive mentioned by Jubelin driving fast on Benaroon seen by unknown witness. Could this have been at 9:38? Add that to my list of questions for SFR.

 

[LRitz]

The 9.10 GO missed call is important because it places them somewhere where they can't hear.

Some things Im not sure of . Did they not hear the phone call, or they heard the call and did not answer the phone and then just claim that they missed it? A slight difference.

Did they choose not to answer the call? But don't know why this would be the case as the FGM alleges she was doing the dishes after breakfast.

Maybe the reason the FM did not answer the call was because she was somewhere else. And FGM was looking after the children (Maybe finishing the breakfast at 9:10 ) and just decided not to answer the call.

 

[31550]

The Crabbs car per overington page 74:

"Peter Crabb and his wife Sharelle had been out that morning and returned around 9.30. having morning tea on the deck. Both remembered hearing what they assumed was the postie enter the street. They were half listening for him because the Miller's had asked them to take care of mail whilst they were in Qld.

It was a very very quiet street.. you can. always hear somebody coming up the road.. He thought the car had stopped to do a U turn before heading off again. It didn't stop at Paul Savages. It stopped at number 48. I don't know how long , about as long as it takes to put a letter in a box. It stopped then kept going. Mrs Crabbs too thought it might be the postie because it wasn't going slow, it was going reasonably fast like the postie does."

The speed of the car suggests both familiarity with location and a purpose to the drive. It wasn't a leisurely sight seeing visit.. Hearing the car come at speed means it wasn't leaving 48 as first move but coming up the street turning, stopping and then leaving again. As though picking something up that was intentional but NOT compatible with a abductors looking for an opportunity. If that were true you'd go slow and scope possibilities. It's also NOT compatible with FM placing a body in the car and leaving. Why? Well there was no up the street travel in that instance. Instead it would be placing the body in car in carport and leaving. Full stop.

The concern I have is why it stopped at all? If it had done a U turn then keep going. You stop after a U turn for a reason. Would an opportunist speed down a random street then stop? No. You might stop and pause to look at something. Wasn't there a vacant block on the market at the time? Did they pause to inspect it? Perhaps..

if they thought it was the postie does that mean they thought he stepped out of his car or van? Opened and closed car door? No mention really but it's possible.

I'm inclined to suggest this car is unrelated. It didn't match a car leaving a car port. It was going fast and shouldn't have. That in turn suggests to me an earlier trip prior to 9.30 which wouldn't have been detected

Have you completely discounted the possibility that what the Crabbs heard was the FM (or someone) leaving FGM house from the driveway, or returning home in FGM's car (or another car)? I still think that is a possibility. More likely to be reversing out quickly towards the Crabbs house, then taking off down Benaroon Drive IMO.

 

[31550]

No one else has come forward to say they were driving in the street. If unrelated who was in the car? The Crabbes have no reason to give false information. Both Remember.

Around 9:30 is just before the photos are taken. Did they see any cars at #48 when the got back?

So say Crabbes are on the deck possible by 9:33.

Car driving at some speed arriving at 9:33. Crabbes hear the car. It stops at #48.

Photos between 9:33 and 9:38. I estimate photos possible to have been taken within 4 minutes.

Car (maybe Land Rover) leaves at 9:38 with William after photos. Crabbes interpret this 4 or 5 minute stop as the car turning around, which it would have done any way to leave in the opposite direction.

Car returns at 10:15. Possible second time heard again by Crabbes. Car is in driveway by 10:35 and still warm at 11.

FM has no alibi between 9:03 phone call and 9:35 first photo.

Re abduction: Agree ARB, ... "NOT compatible with a abductors looking for an opportunity.... "
And remembering that no one knew that the family would be there that morning. And certainly would not know that at exactly that time that William or any child, would be out the front unsupervised. So to coincide by chance exactly is a bit of a stretch.

When was the 4 Wheel drive mentioned by Jubelin driving fast on Benaroon seen by unknown witness. Could this have been at 9:38? Add that to my list of questions for SFR.

The Crabbs times can only be approximations made some time after the actual event, and based on their recollections about the sequence of events. They do not agree among themselves about exactly when they 'heard the postie', so they may have each heard one trip, or the same trip, and their 'times' could be maybe 10-15 minutes out?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Have you completely discounted the possibility that what the Crabbs heard was the FM (or someone) leaving FGM house from the driveway, or returning home in FGM's car (or another car)? I still think that is a possibility. More likely to be reversing out quickly towards the Crabbs house, then taking off down Benaroon Drive IMO.

Based upon Overingtons account yes I do discount it. They clearly state they can hear cars coming down the street even the speed. So they can distinguish between them and cars just leaving a driveway..The hearing of the car and it's speed critical.

Not certain but persuasive yes.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

My theory:

So if I suspect a 9.05 death it could actually occur after children being heard playing.

The car could have been used by FM at that time before Crabbs got home.

A second trip possibly happened probably for shoes at 10.10. Heat off bonnet and the mystery car trip by FM she admits to.

The 9.37 was actually earlier when FF was there and WT looked at him roar shot. Timestamp fabricated and not detected by SFR nor coroner.. He didn't leave before 8. It was a ruse to corroborate the 9.37 alibi. He actually left at 8.40 and FGM saw him. Indeed breakfast was first before they went on verandah when FF was there. You might find there was even a photo or two totally deleted which had included FF. They sanitized.

They have from 9.10 to 10.30 for FM to hide the body outside search area..

 

[Angry Red Bull]

There was talk at one stage that the prerecorded show on TV in a picture corroborated the tine difference. I seem to recall debate though that suggested the show was a prerecorded show and doesn't corroborate the time difference. I'll have another look at that issue..

 

[LRitz]

There was talk at one stage that the prerecorded show on TV in a picture corroborated the tine difference. I seem to recall debate though that suggested the show was a prerecorded show and doesn't corroborate the time difference. I'll have another look at that issue..

I have done a 360 or at least a 180 about the photo. But still open to speculation.
The photos are important. How coincidental that some 20 to minutes before someone disappears they have had a photo taken. And in the clothes that they were allegedly wearing!

Could the photos just be that, a POL at 9:37. Also proof that FM was at the house (and FGM and FD). And of course the alibi for them male carer, FF being in Lakewood at that time.

Say that... you do not even know what the time on the camera was. Didn't even think about it. Don't know how to set the time. Lost the instruction book. Ohh ...so the photo will help us with the time William went missing! Surprise. And just happen to have the photo of a clock on the camera from a few days ago that supports this time.

The photos always looked rushed to me, again IMO.

Edit: to Clarify - IMO, as found by forensics, the photos were taken as said at 9:37. but, IMO again, they were taken for a reason.

 

[31550]

So if I suspect a 9.05 death it could actually occur after children being heard playing.

The car could have been used by FM at that time before Crabbs got home.

A second trip happened probably for shoes at 10.10. Heat off bonnet and the mystery car trip by FM she admits to.

The 9.37 was actually earlier when FF was there and WT looked at him roar shot. Timestamp fabricated and not detected by SFR nor coroner.. He didn't leave before 8. It was a ruse to corroborate the 9.37 alibi. He actually left at 8.40 and FGM saw him. Indeed breakfast was first before they went on verandah when FF was there. You might find there was even a photo or two totally deleted which had included FF. They sanitized.

They have from 9.10 to 10.30 for FM to hide the body outside search area..

How do you then explain all the forensic data supporting FF being in Lakewood from shortly after 9am until around 10.16?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

How do you then explain all the forensic data supporting FF being in Lakewood from shortly after 9am until around 10.16?

Please read my posts. He left at 8.40 and wasn't there but was prior to that. The death was when in FM care only

Nothing was false about his trip..what was false was the contrived explanation he had left before 8. It was done to shore up the 9.37 alibi. if he wasn't there then it supports the pictures doesn't it. Unless the FGM lied and the timestamps were falsified as I now believe. Her ridiculous explanations were done because they were worried that the time would come under question so resorted to corroborating he wasn't there with the FGM nonsense walk through as fall back. How can they challenge it if the FGM also tells us he wasn't there?

It was much earlier..He was likely there at that time.

This comes unstuck with a simple question to FD. Was the FF there at any stage during the verandah time.of she says yes it falls apart.. they also had to change the explanation for WT going around the corner from .....in search of FF car to roaring in play. He was there and possibly had just left when there was a first argument with FM and he set off to stop FF going in his car. Explanation for the difference reasons and why the narrative changed

IMO. That is my theory

 

[31550]

Please read my posts. He left at 8.40 and wasn't there but was prior to that. The death was when in FM care only

Nothing was false about his trip..what was false was the contrived explanation he had left before 8. It was done to shore up the 9.37 alibi. if he wasn't there then it supports the pictures doesn't it. Unless the FGM lied and the timestamps were falsified as I now believe. Her ridiculous explanations were done because they were worried that the time would come under question so resorted to corroborating he wasn't there with the FGM nonsense walk through as fall back. How can they challenge it if the FGM also tells us he wasn't there?

It was much earlier..He was likely there at that time.

This comes unstuck with a simple question to FD. Was the FF there at any stage during the verandah tine.of she says yes it falls apart.. they also had to change the explanation for WT going around the corner from .....in search of FF car to roaring in play. He was there and possibly had just left when there was a first argument with FM and he set off to stop FF going in his car. Explanation for the difference reasons and why the narrative changed

The online meeting. The phone calls. The chemist receipt. The tennis club CCTV. ?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The online meeting. The phone calls. The chemist receipt. The tennis club CCTV. ?

He went to all those..he wasn't home from 8.40..the alleged alibi is to create a false timeline of when W went missing..

 

[Kurve]

He went to all those..he wasn't home from 8.40..the alibi is to create a false timeline of when W went missing..

You need to make it clear this is simply a theory and not fact.

Defamation is always something we need to consider engaging on the crime board.

 

[passball]

He went to all those..he wasn't home from 8.40..the alibi is to create a false timeline of when W went missing..

What time do the think the photos were taken then? A totally different time?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

You need to make it clear this is simply a theory and not fact.

Defamation is always something we need to consider engaging on the crime board.

A dead person can't sue you.. I haven't defamed FF. The FM can't be defamed because she's already been identified as the sole person of interest. I add nothing more than that except saying it was allegedly a falsified timeline

But that's ok I'll use allegedly and theory.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

What time do the think the photos were taken then? A totally different time?

I think it was much earlier..perhaps it was 7.39