Cricket Thread: Indian Summer

[Vader]

Theres been a number of Test players worse than Mitch Marsh.

Not many have had the longevity in the system mind you

To be clear, the claim is that Mitch Marsh was (as of 8th March 2017 - and continuing until the 2017 Boxing Day Test Match) the worst #6 batsman in the history of Test Match cricket. Not just the worst Australian #6, but the worst #6 batsman for any nation in the world.

The qualification here is that the player must have batted at #6 in at least 20 Test matches.

Mitch Marsh held the title for approximately 9 months, in 2017. He no longer holds the title, and currently sits 12th on the WOAT #6 batsmen list.

The claim is not subjective. It is based on his batting average, over a prolonged period of time (i.e. min 20 Tests). It is an objective fact. He was the WOAT, just as Lyon is the GOAT.

 

[spenze]

The biggest issue with Marsh is that he can't bowl. An allrounder who can bowl and take wickets can minimise the amount of overs your bowlers bowl but if he can't...and lets face it he can't, then you should just play an extra batter at 6 instead. The only all rounder I would play in the Aus team if he couldn't bowl is Cam Green as he is a generational talent.

 

[Vader]

The biggest issue with Marsh is that he can't bowl. An allrounder who can bowl and take wickets can minimise the amount of overs your bowlers bowl but if he can't...and lets face it he can't, then you should just play an extra batter at 6 instead. The only all rounder I would play in the Aus team if he couldn't bowl is Cam Green as he is a generational talent.

Agreed. His batting these days is reminiscent of his performances when he was the WOAT.

... And his bowling is even worse.

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[Cromulant]

To be clear, the claim is that Mitch Marsh was (as of 8th March 2017 - and continuing until the 2017 Boxing Day Test Match) the worst #6 batsman in the history of Test Match cricket. Not just the worst Australian #6, but the worst #6 batsman for any nation in the world.

The qualification here is that the player must have batted at #6 in at least 20 Test matches.

Mitch Marsh held the title for approximately 9 months, in 2017. He no longer holds the title, and currently sits 12th on the WOAT #6 batsmen list.

The claim is not subjective. It is based on his batting average, over a prolonged period of time (i.e. min 20 Tests). It is an objective fact. He was the WOAT, just as Lyon is the GOAT.

If we're talking about off spin, Lyon is not the GOAT.

The claims are absolutely subjective, regardless of whatever numbers or qualification criteria you'd like to use.

 

[Firewalker]

The biggest issue with Marsh is that he can't bowl. An allrounder who can bowl and take wickets can minimise the amount of overs your bowlers bowl but if he can't...and lets face it he can't, then you should just play an extra batter at 6 instead. The only all rounder I would play in the Aus team if he couldn't bowl is Cam Green as he is a generational talent.

It’s some sort of continual tug-of-war mind game the Australian management play with themselves when they try to protect their selection choices, most of the time especially recently Marsh isn’t actually an all-rounder anymore - he’s a batter, but then when selectors/team management need to justify they have another bowling option (like when Green goes down) he then all of a sudden gets classed as an All-Rounder again and is seen as the only viable option.

Marsh sees himself as batter especially post-2020 but because of old reputation he’s happy to play along with it as it has kept him in Australian teams. Like I mentioned earlier the whole bowling fitness thing with Marsh has actually come at a great time for him as it’s managed to distract media away from focusing on his batting which is why he’s in actually in the team and what he should be more judged on considering other than that one innings of 80 in New Zealand he’s pretty much chucked his wicket away meekly in every Test this year.

 

[Cromulant]

NewsCorpes running with the "Aussie selectors make ruthless call"

Dropping 1 rookie for another rookie is about as ruthless as Jake Paul was against Tyaon

 

[Vader]

If we're talking about off spin, Lyon is not the GOAT.

The claims are absolutely subjective, regardless of whatever numbers or qualification criteria you'd like to use.

Lyon holds the record for most Test wickets by an Australian off spin bowler.

He is the Australian GOAT, but not the world GOAT.

Mitch Marsh was the world WOAT.

 

[GreyCrow]

NewsCorpes running with the "Aussie selectors make ruthless call"

Dropping 1 rookie for another rookie is about as ruthless as Jake Paul was against Tyaon

As bad as the Advertiser and posters in here going with ' Nicks makes hard calls '' when dropping a 3 game player

 

[Scorpus]

Theres been a number of Test players worse than Mitch Marsh.

Not many have had the longevity in the system mind you

If Marsh had retired at the end of his purple patch I would have agreed.

Currently I think you could make a case he is the worst Test player to have played as many Tests as he has for Australia

 

[Cromulant]

If Marsh had retired at the end of his purple patch I would have agreed.

Currently I think you could make a case he is the worst Test player to have played as many Tests as he has for Australia

Vader was talking ALL countries.

Even so, I'm not sure he'd be the worst. But at the same time he's one of a few who shouldn't be there now.

 

[Scorpus]

Vader was talking ALL countries.

Even so, I'm not sure he'd be the worst. But at the same time he's one of a few who shouldn't be there now.

I think there would be very few top 6 batsman to have played 45 tests or more averaging less than 30

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The biggest issue with Marsh is that he can't bowl. An allrounder who can bowl and take wickets can minimise the amount of overs your bowlers bowl but if he can't...and lets face it he can't, then you should just play an extra batter at 6 instead. The only all rounder I would play in the Aus team if he couldn't bowl is Cam Green as he is a generational talent.

Tubby gets it...

Tubby's push for change with Carey shake-up

'Consider a fifth bowling option'

wwos.nine.com.au

 

[Vader]

Lyon holds the record for Australian off spinners, but this is largely the result of having a longer playing career than those who went before him. Had Richie Benaud played in modern times he almost certainly would have finished with more wickets than Lyon. To this end, there's a reasonable case that Lyon is not the GOAT.

Averages, rather than total runs/wickets, are not subject to the increased number of games played by modern players. Thus Marsh's WOAT claims have a legitimacy that Lyon's GOAT claims lack.

 

[Cap]

Tubby gets it...

Tubby's push for change with Carey shake-up

'Consider a fifth bowling option'

wwos.nine.com.au

I don't understand why Marsh is playing if he doesn't bowl more.

There would be plenty of better batters and probably better batters than can bowl.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I don't understand why Marsh is playing if he doesn't bowl more.

There would be plenty of better batters and probably better batters than can bowl.

Exactly... said the selectors for Adelaide should have brought in Webster.

Given 5 test series, need to manage the bowlers smartly & we have already seen Hazelwood breakdown & Starc & Cummins have had to pick up extra loads given lack of decent 5th option.

Can't use Head much given his injury concerns.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

NewsCorpes running with the "Aussie selectors make ruthless call"

Dropping 1 rookie for another rookie is about as ruthless as Jake Paul was against Tyaon

Ruthless would be dopping underperforming senior players.

Predictably pathetic is dropping the newbie batting out of position, when they could habe easily slotted McSweeney into the middle order.

 

[Cap]

Ruthless would be dopping underperforming senior players.

Predictably pathetic is dropping the newbie batting out of position, when they could habe easily slotted McSweeney into the middle order.

A lot of the scribes ive read/listen to seem to be miss the point with McSweeney

I think we all acknowledge his record wasn't great but he was picked on form as a middle order batsmen

And they gave him 3 tests as an opener