Cricket Thread: Indian Summer

[Vader]

So McSweeney dropped and Konstas likely in for boxing day.

Expected, but pretty shitty by CA

Despite the fact that Khawaja & Marsh have both scored less runs this series, at lower averages, than McSweeney.

 

[Interloperer]

I know he's got a lot of runs on the board. But there probably should be more scrutiny Lyon's form and/or the team's use of him. Given that this Indian team has famously forgotten how to play spin.

 

[Cap]

Despite the fact that Khawaja & Marsh have both scored less runs this series, at lower averages, than McSweeney.

Hopefully he is able to get on the recycled player merry go round

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Hopefully he is able to get on the recycled player merry go round

& gets picked in his preferred middle order!

If the selectors had any clue, they would have dropped either Marnus or Marsh for Konstas & put McSweeney in his preferred position.

Really gutless, but expected decision.

 

[Cromulant]

Well so much for that, I was wrong wrong wrong and Mostyn was right right right. Selectors have pulled the trigger

McSeeya

Interesting that Jhye Richardson is in. No doubt a good bowler but he popped his shoulder doing a high five in the Shield game at Adelaide Oval

Like-for-like for Hazelwood I guess who was an injury risk too

Reminds me of the 12th Man

"Those West Indians and their high five seppo bulls***"

 

[spenze]

Have to give Uzzie a farewell game.

He will retire at the end of this series but we aren't tough enough to put country before player

 

[Cromulant]

Have to give Uzzie a farewell game.

He will retire at the end of this series but we aren't tough enough to put country before player

Been a long time since we've done that

 

[Vader]

Been a long time since we've done that

What? A farewell game? Hell, we gave Dave Warner a whole farewell series - and that was only 12 months ago.

 

[spenze]

What? A farewell game? Hell, we gave Dave Warner a whole farewell series - and that was only 12 months ago.

We gave him a farewell career...

 

[spenze]

What? A farewell game? Hell, we gave Dave Warner a whole farewell series - and that was only 12 months ago.

I know and agree but if a guy is 38 and not contributing and hasn't for a year...you pull the plug

 

[Cromulant]

What? A farewell game? Hell, we gave Dave Warner a whole farewell series - and that was only 12 months ago.

Putting country before player....

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Hoping Konstas fails now for the Lols

 

[Cromulant]

Hoping Konstas fails now for the Lols

Why ?? He should've been there from the start

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I know and agree but if a guy is 38 and not contributing and hasn't for a year...you pull the plug

Usman Khawaja's last 10 scores in Test cricket:

33
28
16
11
8
4
13
9*
21
8

At 38 years of age, with an Ashes series next summer

 

[Vader]

Marnus' last 13 Test innings scores:

10
1*
3
5
1
2
90
6
2
3
64
12
1

Marsh's last 12 Test innings scores:
5
21
10
40
0
0
80
6
47
9
5
2

There are far too many single-digit scores on all of these cards to justify any of these 3 batsmen holding their position(s) in the team.

At least Labuschagne is relatively young, at 30 yrs 182 days. There's a chance that he might be able to work his way out of his slump - but he should be doing that at 1st Class level, not in Test matches.

Marsh has always been useless. There was a time when he famously held the title as WOAT (as distinct from Lyon's title of GOAT), and his bowling is even worse than his batting. Marsh is 33 years old, and it's time now to see if we have an all-rounder somewhere in Australia who can actually play Test Match cricket (Marsh is OK in limited overs formats, just woeful in Tests).

 

[Cromulant]

Marnus' last 13 Test innings scores:

10
1*
3
5
1
2
90
6
2
3
64
12
1

Marsh's last 12 Test innings scores:
5
21
10
40
0
0
80
6
47
9
5
2

There are far too many single-digit scores on all of these cards to justify any of these 3 batsmen holding their position(s) in the team.

At least Labuschagne is relatively young, at 30 yrs 182 days. There's a chance that he might be able to work his way out of his slump - but he should be doing that at 1st Class level, not in Test matches.

Marsh has always been useless. There was a time when he famously held the title as WOAT (as distinct from Lyon's title of GOAT), and his bowling is even worse than his batting. Marsh is 33 years old, and it's time now to see if we have an all-rounder somewhere in Australia who can actually play Test Match cricket (Marsh is OK in limited overs formats, just woeful in Tests).

Theres been a number of Test players worse than Mitch Marsh.

Not many have had the longevity in the system mind you

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Marnus' last 13 Test innings scores:

10
1*
3
5
1
2
90
6
2
3
64
12
1

Marsh's last 12 Test innings scores:
5
21
10
40
0
0
80
6
47
9
5
2

There are far too many single-digit scores on all of these cards to justify any of these 3 batsmen holding their position(s) in the team.

At least Labuschagne is relatively young, at 30 yrs 182 days. There's a chance that he might be able to work his way out of his slump - but he should be doing that at 1st Class level, not in Test matches.

Marsh has always been useless. There was a time when he famously held the title as WOAT (as distinct from Lyon's title of GOAT), and his bowling is even worse than his batting. Marsh is 33 years old, and it's time now to see if we have an all-rounder somewhere in Australia who can actually play Test Match cricket (Marsh is OK in limited overs formats, just woeful in Tests).

Sad thing imo is even when they have made a score, they both haven't looked good at least early in their innings.
Without the figures in front of me Cummins looks better.

 

[Firewalker]

Marnus' last 13 Test innings scores:

10
1*
3
5
1
2
90
6
2
3
64
12
1

Marsh's last 12 Test innings scores:
5
21
10
40
0
0
80
6
47
9
5
2

There are far too many single-digit scores on all of these cards to justify any of these 3 batsmen holding their position(s) in the team.

At least Labuschagne is relatively young, at 30 yrs 182 days. There's a chance that he might be able to work his way out of his slump - but he should be doing that at 1st Class level, not in Test matches.

Marsh has always been useless. There was a time when he famously held the title as WOAT (as distinct from Lyon's title of GOAT), and his bowling is even worse than his batting. Marsh is 33 years old, and it's time now to see if we have an all-rounder somewhere in Australia who can actually play Test Match cricket (Marsh is OK in limited overs formats, just woeful in Tests).

I think what’s become obvious is how personal relationships & the want to desperately avoid putting pressure on experienced individuals is fully having its adverse effects now.

At least in the setup they’ve acknowledged the issues with Marnus’ form with the bat (and to a lesser extent broadly Khawaja’s form by acknowledging top order issues as well) but they’ve totally refused to even acknowledge Marsh’s form is even worth mentioning with the only questions about him just being about bowling fitness rather than that ultra rare run of hitting form he had against England at the backend of the Ashes & against the Pakistani’s last year dissipating and he’s instead again become hesitant/confused with the bat & his longtime career technical fault of not having a forward defence good enough to keep decent bowling out has become such a big issue again.

 

[Vader]

I think what’s become obvious is how personal relationships & the want to desperately avoid putting pressure on experienced individuals is fully having its adverse effects now.

At least in the setup they’ve acknowledged the issues with Marnus’ form with the bat (and to a lesser extent broadly Khawaja’s form by acknowledging top order issues as well) but they’ve totally refused to even acknowledge Marsh’s form is even worth mentioning with the only questions about him just being about bowling fitness rather than that ultra rare run of hitting form he had against England at the backend of the Ashes & against the Pakistani’s last year dissipating and he’s instead again become hesitant/confused with the bat & his longtime career technical fault of not having a forward defence good enough to keep decent bowling out has become such a big issue again.

I mean... there were genuninely good reasons why he was the WOAT.

 

[Firewalker]

I mean... there were genuninely good reasons why he was the WOAT.

Yeah but his ability to provide vibes, make people laugh with self deprecating humour & be BFFs with skipper is an immeasurable intangible he brings to the team.

 

[Cromulant]

I mean... there were genuninely good reasons why he was the WOAT.

He just wasn't

 

[Vader]

He just wasn't

Wasn't the WOAT? He absolutely was.

He isn't any more (largely courtesy of a rare purple patch against England), but he was at the time.

He was, for a while, the worst #6 batsman in Test Match history - not just worst Australian #6 batsman, but the worst anywhere in the world, in the history of the game.

 

[Cromulant]

Wasn't the WOAT? He absolutely was.

He isn't any more (largely courtesy of a rare purple patch against England), but he was at the time.

He was, for a while, the worst #6 batsman in Test Match history - not just worst Australian #6 batsman, but the worst anywhere in the world, in the history of the game.

That's like saying Lachie Murphy is the worst Crow there's ever been.

He's bad, but the worst of all time is a call you can't back up.

 

[Vader]

That's like saying Lachie Murphy is the worst Crow there's ever been.

He's bad, but the worst of all time is a call you can't back up.

No, it's not. It's a statistical fact. Opinions about Murphy are subjective. The stats about Mitch Marsh are objective.

This article dates back to 2017, when he was the WOAT title holder:
https://www.news.com.au/sport/crick...w/news-story/ce450ab54c0e1a3f057dce852462a329

Here's the relevant text:

Of all number six batsmen who have played Test cricket for any country (with a minimum of 20 Tests to their name while occupying that place in the batting order), Marsh officially has the worst batting record in history. He has batted 25 times at fourth drop and scored 473 runs at an average of 19.7. He has registered just one half century (53) and recorded four ducks.

The next worst number six batsman is South Africa’s JP Duminy, who has played one more innings than Marsh in the position but has him covered comfortably in the run-making department. The left-hander has scored 622 runs in 26 digs at an average of 25.91 with one century and four fifties.

This is supported by a query using the Statsguru function on the ESPN Cricinfo website. Here's the rankings of #6 batsmen as of 8th March 2017, sorted by reverse batting average, for players having played a minimum of 20 Test matches at #6. The results can be found here.

His next innings after that date was the 181 he scored against England, in the 2017 Boxing Day Test. This innings boosted his average (while batting at #6) from 19.7 to 26.61, robbing him of his rightful title, shuffling him down to 3rd on the WOAT list. He thus held the WOAT title for approximately 9 months, before conceding it to JP Duminy.

For what it's worth, Marsh is currently 12th on that list, with an average of 32.28 when batting at #6 (which is better than his overall batting average). The current WOAT is New Zealand's TA Blundell, with an average of 22.87. Source: espncricinfo

It's very much a fact which can be backed up statistically. As of 8th March 2017, Mitch Marsh was the worst #6 batsman in the history of Test Match cricket. He no longer holds that title - but he did at that time.

 

[spenze]

Theres been a number of Test players worse than Mitch Marsh.

Not many have had the longevity in the system mind you

Yes but they play for England