List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Keys]

Rohan O’Brien on SEN just now. Gossage did the interview so the questioning wasn’t particularly intelligent and was geared to chasing a headline

• Reaffirmed the club’s disappointment at losing Rioli, said it was up to Port to offer something worthwhile and said there were other clubs interested the club would talk to if they weren’t happy with Ports offer
• Hosed down any Georgiades talk as he’s contracted and happy at Port
• Said the club was interested in Jackson and talked about splitting picks if required to get a deal done. Tbh, I wasn’t convinced we’re genuinely chasing him or believe he’s gettable but are happy to say we’re willing to keep our hat in the ring. Headlines will say otherwise
• Asked about delistings he said we are waiting for what trades (in or out) might arise as they will impact list positions

Overall nothing of any real note as questions were played with a straight bat

 

[Mulldogg]

Rohan O’Brien on SEN just now. Gossage did the interview so the questioning wasn’t particularly intelligent and was geared to chasing a headline

• Reaffirmed the club’s disappointment at losing Rioli, said it was up to Port to offer something worthwhile and said there were other clubs interested the club would talk to if they weren’t happy with Ports offer
• Hosed down any Georgiades talk as he’s contracted and happy at Port
• Said the club was interested in Jackson and talked about splitting picks if required to get a deal done. Tbh, I wasn’t convinced we’re genuinely chasing him or believe he’s gettable but are happy to say we’re willing to keep our hat in the ring. Headlines will say otherwise
• Asked about delistings he said we are waiting for what trades (in or out) might arise as they will impact list positions

Overall nothing of any real note as questions were played with a straight bat

Good summary.

Responses were pretty conservative and vanilla tbh.

 

[plays tall 1]

I’ve been critical of our negotiating tactics in recent years but the early signs this year suggest they’ve sharpened up in that department, good to see. No more “we accept that we have to pay a heavy price” or devaluing players before discussions regarding possible trades. No passive acceptance of a player’s expressed club preference for a trade.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Rohan O’Brien on SEN just now. Gossage did the interview so the questioning wasn’t particularly intelligent and was geared to chasing a headline

• Reaffirmed the club’s disappointment at losing Rioli, said it was up to Port to offer something worthwhile and said there were other clubs interested the club would talk to if they weren’t happy with Ports offer
• Hosed down any Georgiades talk as he’s contracted and happy at Port
• Said the club was interested in Jackson and talked about splitting picks if required to get a deal done. Tbh, I wasn’t convinced we’re genuinely chasing him or believe he’s gettable but are happy to say we’re willing to keep our hat in the ring. Headlines will say otherwise
• Asked about delistings he said we are waiting for what trades (in or out) might arise as they will impact list positions

Overall nothing of any real note as questions were played with a straight bat

Playing hardball with Port
Splitting picks for Jackson

Not unhappy with any of that

 

[Free Agent]

Explain how his year was so much better that one is worth nothing and one worth two first rounders.

Jackson’s hype is purely off potential, so I’m just not sure why everyone is acting like he’s a guarantee.

Have to agree. I'm not even close to sold on him. His got potential but is a risk right now. Sort of like how we got Kennedy from Carlton. He wasnt seen as much in his first few years but became a legend. Hopefully Jackson is going down the same path if we get him. Pick 2 is too much. If we manage to split the picks and get two picks around 7- 12. Pick 7 and a 3rd rounder maybe.

Then use pick 12 on the draft on a midfielder in Hewitt or we go after Mitch Geordiades

Took this from the Jackson trade thread, looking at this makes me very, very depressed. Our list profile is all out of whack. Pretty much all of our best players are 27 and over and almost all of our players below 27 are largely trash
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Will take a couple of years but that's going to change completely with the transition of our rebuild over the coming years

We had a decent draft haul last year with Hough Bazzo and Chesser.
And this year and next would hold us in good stead if we get it right.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Was he asked if he's a Mrs Mac's man or more of a gourmet connoisseur?

 

[Kapowie1]

No it isn't, we don't get Foley Nelson in return.

Can we get a third club involved so we can get Nelson Muntz and Axel Foley?


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[Keys]

Gossage taking O’Briens words at their most literal which is what he was chasing

Gossage also asked O’Brien when he was finishing - said it wouldn’t be until after the draft

 

[mattyc75]

Explain how his year was so much better that one is worth nothing and one worth two first rounders.

Jackson’s hype is purely off potential, so I’m just not sure why everyone is acting like he’s a guarantee.

You're acting like Williams and jackson are at the same level when clearly jackson has shown more..he's impacted games more. Hes had a say in the outcome of a grand final
Now atm I'm in the dont get jackson camp, he's going to cost too much but i really can't see Williams leading our ruck in future years. To be honest i wouldnt even be playing him in the ruck this year I'd play him exclusively as a forward just to see if he can impact a game in that way
I'm all for drafting a ruck this year and next year because i dont see Williams or jamieson being on our list long term. But if one of them was going to make it i think itd be jamieson


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[WCE_phil]

With a very real possibility of grabbing him for nothing in the PSD pick 2 should be off the table. I'd have no concerns about North swooping, they won't agree the deal with him and take him without notice, they are also working on other players who arguably they can grab in the PSD.

I haven't read the last 10+ pages and have been holed up doing shit for filth in melbourne. But the idea of Rioli in the PSD to NM and Jackson in the PSD to us does make me a little moist.

 

[pantskyle]

I haven't read the last 10+ pages and have been holed up doing s**t for filth in melbourne. But the idea of Rioli in the PSD to NM and Jackson in the PSD to us does make me a little moist.

If you think you're moist you should feel my nipples.

 

[SloppyJoe]

Have to agree. I'm not even close to sold on him. His got potential but is a risk right now. Sort of like how we got Kennedy from Carlton. He wasnt seen as much in his first few years but became a legend. Hopefully Jackson is going down the same path if we get him. Pick 2 is too much. If we manage to split the picks and get two picks around 7- 12. Pick 7 and a 3rd rounder maybe.

There are some JK comparisons, but also some pretty big differences.

Jackson has:

• Had the media blowing smoke up his arse (mostly well deserved) for over a year now.
• Won a premiership very early in his career.
• Chosen to leave off his own bat and for what will be very good coin.

 

[Bestbird]

Took this from the Jackson trade thread, looking at this makes me very, very depressed. Our list profile is all out of whack. Pretty much all of our best players are 27 and over and almost all of our players below 27 are largely trash
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It is pretty much a list profile of a team that has been contending for quite a while and now in decline

At the extreme list profile in that regards is Geelong who in there last game had an average age of 28 Year 116 days with only De Konning and Holmes aged under 23

Players selected in the draft in the last 4 years

2021 - Conway, Knevitt Willis Kroeger Whyte
2020 - Holmes, Neale , N Stevens
2019 - C Stephens, De Koning, Evans, Taheny
2018 - J Clark, B Jarvis, J Kennerly, Fort, Tarca, Brownless

 

[Elite Pete]

Let me dream for a bit. I am a fan of Sharp and Henry.

Split pick 2 hopefully with GC. 5 & 7 (GWS could pay overs because they would want Cadman)

Jackson and 32 for 5 and 20.
Dev for 26
Sharp for 32
Port compo for Rioli
Henry for Port Compo

Draft Phillipou or even move back a few for Hewitt

Bridges the gap of low 20yos with potential that can learn from the Vets over the next couple of years

 

[CountryLad]

Gossage taking O’Briens words at their most literal which is what he was chasing

Gossage also asked O’Brien when he was finishing - said it wouldn’t be until after the draft

Felt that maybe the pieman was being genuine in chasing Jackson, said pick 2 wasn’t going to be offered but would explore other options…. Interesting how Goss spoke of players being nervous and everyone was tradable and the pieman didn’t hose that down.
The club has definitely drawn a line in the sand on Rioli would be surprised if they rolled over

 

[Forward Press]

Since splitting is all the rage - for the experts, what are our actual chances of arranging a successful split? Is it realistic? I don't think it's happened often in draft history for a pick right at the top end of the draft...

 

[JackOutback]

I have a Holden that I thinks worth 50k but noone will give me more than 20

I do get what you're saying, but ultimately someone/thing is only worth what someone else will pay

Freo or WC aren't paying two top 10 picks for him

There are clubs that would pay that, but Jackson won't consider them, he's nominated only Freo or West Coast, who don't have the currency.

I don't think pick 2 alone would do it, there'd have to be a second rounder or something. I'd be happy to split pick 2 into something around picks 5 and low teens, hand over 5 and 20 for Jackson, and use the low teens for a pick like Hewitt. If the Eagles went into next season with Jackson, Hewitt, Culley, Campbell, Hough, Bazzo and whatever we can get for pick 26, Rioli comp and 38, we'd be a fair way along in our rebuild.

 

[shooshka]

It is pretty much a list profile of a team that has been contending for quite a while and now in decline

At the extreme list profile in that regards is Geelong who in there last game had an average age of 28 Year 116 days with only De Konning and Holmes aged under 23

Players selected in the draft in the last 4 years

2021 - Conway, Knevitt Willis Kroeger Whyte
2020 - Holmes, Neale , N Stevens
2019 - C Stephens, De Koning, Evans, Taheny
2018 - J Clark, B Jarvis, J Kennerly, Fort, Tarca, Brownless

It all paints a picture around the urgency for us to take 4 picks (ideally inside #30) at a minimum at the next 2 drafts. Obviously this year we have a very early pick in hand, we can expect one again next year but that's only probably 99.99% certain..

The nature of the draft is that they won't all work out, but we really need to be trying to get 4-5 B22 players out of the next couple of drafts. Trading a lot of draft capital for 1-2 players will stunt our improvement timeframe.

 

[Chris_6678]

Freo are saying they will keep Lobb if Logue leaves. That would lesson their draft hand.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Felt that maybe the pieman was being genuine in chasing Jackson, said pick 2 wasn’t going to be offered but would explore other options…. Interesting how Goss spoke of players being nervous and everyone was tradable and the pieman didn’t hose that down.
The club has definitely drawn a line in the sand on Rioli would be surprised if they rolled over

Tim Watson's assessment of our post-season was similar. Believes the eagles are willing to trade almost anyone on our list (contracted or otherwise) and are embracing the list rebuild.

Interesting times ahead.

 

[Elite Pete]

Since splitting is all the rage - for the experts, what are our actual chances of arranging a successful split? Is it realistic? I don't think it's happened often in draft history for a pick right at the top end of the draft...

More realistic this year as GC and GWS will have multiple 1st and not necessarily the list spots. They will aim to bundle if they can. The other thing is who they want plays a big part. Key forward would be high on GWS list you would’ve thought.

 

[Forward Press]

The nature of the draft is that they won't all work out, but we really need to be trying to get 4-5 B22 players out of the next couple of drafts. Trading a lot of draft capital for 1-2 players will stunt our improvement timeframe.

It depends on the player, though.

The Rising Star winner not yet 21 in an area of need that will definitely arise in a year or two without a doubt? Happy to sacrifice pick 2, probably no more.

A developing key forward that is showing promising signs, but the club also wants us to throw in Rioli as part of the deal for pick 2? No thanks.

 

[Forward Press]

More realistic this year as GC and GWS will have multiple 1st and not necessarily the list spots. They will aim to bundle if they can. The other thing is who they want plays a big part. Key forward would be high on GWS list you would’ve thought.

I'd be ecstatic if so, just sceptical that's all. And I'd rather not lose a required player to achieve the pick split. Someone posted 5 and 7 for 2 - I doubt we could achieve that without throwing one of our talents in the mix.

Edit - that someone was you lol. Maybe with Rioli going to Port we can get some three way action? Anyway better minds than me will work something out and hopefully we get a decent haul.

 

[shooshka]

It depends on the player, though.

The Rising Star winner not yet 21 in an area of need that will definitely arise in a year or two without a doubt? Happy to sacrifice pick 2, probably no more.

A developing key forward that is showing promising signs, but the club also wants us to throw in Rioli as part of the deal for pick 2? No thanks.

Straight swap, pick 2 for Jackson... yeah I could probably deal with that (essentially the same as us taking him at #2 in the draft, which we would if he were available).

If we had to add say#26 to the #2, or a future 2nd, then it becomes much less desirable. As we miss that 2nd opportunity to add a mid, hbf, small forward, etc (all positions of need).

Basically it is the combination of both pick value (how high the pick is) plus quantity of picks (assuming they are inside the top 30-or-so) that could/would hurt us. 1 talented player isn't going to turn us around - we need 4-5 from the next couple of drafts at a minimum (can be trade or draft, but either way we need young talent).

 

[Keys]

The O’Brien interview for anyone wanting to listen to it