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Whose future picks would you have preferred?

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In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

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  • Jai Culley, Alex Witherden and Coby Burgiel delisted






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
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mitchzz said:
Suns asking for MORE than pick 6 for Rioli is crazy
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Sure is. One year someone's gotta sit them down and explain how negotiation works.
 
stallon said:
Sometimes yes, the truly elite HBFs are generally HBFs from the start though. Their ball use and speed generally gets them put there from an early age. I do think the game has changed in the last few years to a spot where you want your best outside players at half back, rather than further up the ground like wouldve been the case 10 years ago.
You can argue the half backs are failed mids, but really they were just half backs to begin with. Its a different skillset, arguably more important.

While it might be one of the highest ceiling roles, imo its also one of the easiest to fill with competent players. Geelong will always be the example I go back to, theyve got a bunch of plodders and 35 year old Dangerfield in the middle. Look at their 2022 midfield and its the same, but with 34 year old Selwood and 32 year old Danger. Look at Collingwood last year, it was Daicos, DeGoey and a bunch of slow boring defensive mids who did roles.
If we have Harley, Hewett and a top 4 pick next year, that should already be enough to win a premiership as long as we have our other lines sorted. Lets be honest we arent going out to draft role players with first round picks, we are drafting the more offensive players. 2-3 of those is all we need.
We can trade in more role players as we move up the ladder too for relatively cheap.

I agree I see HEdwards and Bazzo as our talls, and I have very little confidence in our KPDs, im sure theyll both be capable but dont have any faith theyll be A-graders.
To me, your 3 years time needs wings more than anything. Guys like Travaglia, Maric, Ginbey and Duggan id much prefer to have on a wing than Chesser or Dewar.
Benefit of drafting the half back types is they can often also play wing, and our current defenders can also play on a wing

Im not just looking at it from the perspective of 3 years time, im also looking at our list for 2025 and 2026.
FB Hough HEdwards Duggan
HB Maric Gov Ginbey
-Cole bench
Bazzo and Witherden are the only 2 other defenders on the list, assuming we even put Maric into the backline. A clear need for depth. We have just delisted a couple of defenders and Rotham is more than likely gone.

If we secured Parfitt and Dev for example as 2 mature age mids who cost basically nothing, we have a midfield roster of Yeo, Kelly, Reid, Hall, Parfitt, Dev and Hewett to work with. Add guys like Hutch and Chesser we have enough to form a competent midfield. Parfitt and Dev are defensively minded enough to be accountable at stoppages, meaning we dont get thrashed in there as often.
Add a top pick mid or Warner in 2025 draft and what else do we really need in there?
Draft another mid in 2026 with whatever pick we end up with and we have plenty of young talent coming through, we dont need exclusively top 10 pick mids

In my mind thats our midfield sorted

We want to be competitive, we need to. We need to start playing a modern gamestyle, we cant do that if we dont have players who can perform it. That means speed and transition.
I can see the new coach having a very rough time if we cant give him a decent list.



Tldr: My thinking is we need a few A-graders(potential AA calibre) all over the park. We have a couple in the forward line, we have Harley in the midfield, and we have nobody in the backline. We might have Hewett, and im assuming our 2025 1st pick gets us another Agrade mid, so 2-3 in the midfield.
A good team needs at least 6 lets say. If we split that up lets aim for at least 2 fwds, 2 mids, and 2 defenders.
Means we just need to find defenders. Cant just rely on finding another Gov or Barrass later in the draft, reality is most clubs dont find them at all.


All the melting over hypotheticals was getting old :tearsofjoy:
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Good post, still don’t agree 100% this is the best way to play this draft based on subjective valuations of players, but it’s a legitimate option to go this way.

If we managed to get Peatling and parfitt, I would be in your camp. Travaglia, Tauru and Lindsay would become the target players in the draft.


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mitchzz said:
Suns asking for MORE than pick 6 for Rioli is crazy

Guy is not worth pick 6
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That would be the Tigers doing the asking, you are correct though, I would have thought a pick in the early 20s would be around the mark.
 
eaglevision said:
I think Elite Pete suggestion of 64 for Dev would get it done. I’d rather swap F4s but Lions will want points this year.
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Lions need some points for next year too. However this year points are attached to picks up to pick 73 and next year that drops to pick 54 which is borderline above Dev’s value anyway. So a late pick this year makes sense. Surely they cut him loose without much fuss.
 
If we dont want to lose a 2024 pick for Dev, why not something like pick 59 or 64 for Dev and pick 69 that Brisbane have from the Hawks, or even pick 66 if the Lions get it from Richmond as part of splitting their 1st pick for points.
Pretty inconsequential and might be irrelevant anyway
 
eaglevision said:
It’s Jon Ralph. He also said in the same article that St Kilda wouldn’t pay pick 43 for McCrae but would be happy to pay a 3R draft pick. 43 is a 3R draft pick. He’s almost as stupid as McClure.

I think Elite Pete suggestion of 64 for Dev would get it done. I’d rather swap F4s but Lions will want points this year.
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Yeah not much difference really, ideally 4th round pick swap but If we cut deep enough to open up spots we will create a 5th rd pick that will be pretty close anyway.

A lot of water to go under the bridge , do Lions need that 4th round pick for points? Do they have enough list spots to even use it ect.

Won’t be much either way if we want him and he asks for a trade to us.

Good addition imo and will put to rest if he is good enough or not. Will be a whipping boy but those sort of players normally are anyway.
 
stallon said:
I dont think the difference in ability is that much between Travaglia and Draper who everyone is so keen on for example.
Id argue Travaglia fits our list needs more than Draper.

In an even draft does it not make more sense to get as many list holes filled as possible, then next year when the top end might be a bit more separated we can go for the best mid possible?

We can make a competent midfield that could last us a few years with cheap moneyball recruiting.
We will struggle to do that with the backline
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Travaglia reminds me alot like Will Day in his draft year.
 
Seems like a weird cross road we are at. A bit depends If McQualter gets the gig and let’s say as indicated by a lot of the media Baker and Bolton (less likely but weird he hasn’t ‘officially’ nominated yet) want to follow.

Pyke has Warner on the hook for end of next season. Would be a huge pivot to where we are think our list will go and a lot of ifs but a top 5 players of
Warner
Harley
Bolton
Waterman (if 2024 continues)
Oscar
 
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archiemoses said:
Ideally we can package either Petch or Bailey Williams into the Baker trade so we can lessen the draft pick required.
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Culley to Richmond has been mentioned too. Would happily give him another year at WC but bringing in a couple of Dev/Garcia/Carroll types would be an upgrade and push him further down the list. Getting Blight coming back our way from the Tigers as KPD depth would also be a handy swap for Culley.
 
Schtinker said:
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Seven WA players have been selected to feature in the Futures match which have been named after recently retired AFL stars Dyson Heppell and Rory Sloane.

Charlie Banfield, Wes Walley, Fred Rodriguez, Cody Curtin, Toby Whan, Koby Evans, Blake Kelly will arrive in Melbourne today and will train at the NEC Hangar.

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It's imperative that our f2 doesn't get absorbed in the barass deal because we need it for next year, potentially
 
Peptide Pig said:
Culley to Richmond has been mentioned too. Would happily give him another year at WC but bringing in a couple of Dev/Garcia/Carroll types would be an upgrade and push him further down the list. Getting Blight coming back our way from the Tigers as KPD depth would also be a handy swap for Culley.
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Blight for Culley would be a great swap for both teams imo
 

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Peptide Pig said:
Culley to Richmond has been mentioned too. Would happily give him another year at WC but bringing in a couple of Dev/Garcia/Carroll types would be an upgrade and push him further down the list. Getting Blight coming back our way from the Tigers as KPD depth would also be a handy swap for Culley.
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Out- Culley
In- Blight, pick 66

Pick 66 on traded to Brisbane for Dev
 
mat11 said:
It's imperative that our f2 doesn't get absorbed in the barass deal because we need it for next year, potentially
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It’s very likely it will. It will also be before our NGAs next year IMO. If we do happen to keep our F2, I’d like to trade it to GWS for pick 34 and 35 (Cumming FA pick). They should get pick 21 for Perryman giving them picks 14 and 21 to use then pick 49,52 and 70 to match a bid for Logan Smith as well as shifting resources into next year
 
Cody Curtin playing KPD today, but hes played a bit of KPF in the Colts too I hear. Where do people think he ends up playing, forward or back?
Or is he probably one of those ones that gets drafted as a KPF but has potential to play KPD
 
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